Old 3rd February 2002, 05:56   #1
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Dynamic bass boost

Well... I have to admit that since I got Windows XP I'm using Windows Media Player 8 instead of Winamp for listening to my music... Win Media is a big, augly, cpu-eating software, but it provides the best sound quality output I've ever heard on my PC thanks to the SRS WOW effects (Dynamic bass boost and WOW effect).
So, my point is that the only thing that Winamp is missing is an integrated dynamic bass boost and 3D sound emulator. It has the BEST playlist editor (I still can't figure out how is it that other software developers can't do a simple, fast playlist editor as Winamp's one, and insist on making sluggish, useless playlist editors...)
I've tried all DSP's that claim to do dynamic bass boost, but they all saturate the sound, and makes my music sound like crap on my decent JBL speakers...
And I've also tried all the ones that claimed to do 3D sound, but they made more echo than anything else... that's not 3D sound...
It seems like SRS made the only bass boost that doesn't saturate the sound, and the only 3D sound emulation that doesn't add echo to the output, but makes a more spaced, clear sound.

So, I think both those things are the only ones (but quite important ones) that Winamp is missing. Thanks for reading and I hope that you guys at Nullsoft hear me and take the time to add those new features that should make Winamp not only the best media player, but also the best sound quality player.
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I just listend to that song "Like Humans Do" (the one that is
included with XP) on both WiMP and WA3 and noticed no difference.
I have a SBLive! and Polk Audio 5.1 speakers. SRS WOW effects
(Dynamic bass boost and WOW effect) appear to be what we in the know
refer to ass "gimmicks". please refer to this thread http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=73967
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the DFX plugin was the ONLY plugin i ever used on winamp 2 for quite a while... then i found Dee. I used it for about a week. Then I ditched it. Then I picked it up again and actually learnt how to set the damn thing and I swear it sounds a lot nicer than DFX... I can set up the bass amplification and dynamics and with the auto gain control it evens out the sound so it sounds pretty good... and a splash of reverb never hurt anyone
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It REALLY all depends on what kind of speakers you have...really crappy, midline, good, HI-FI, whatever. Certain algorithms sound better in different setups. If you have fairly good speakers you (probably) wouldn't want any kind of bass boost effect at all, as it just ruins the point of HI-FI. I used to have a pair of Creative Labs speakers, that would jump a few levels in quality with a little nudge from the Stereo Expander.
If it's the SRS WOW effect that's got you all in a tizzy, you can get the WOW effect in hardware from SRS Labs. Then you could use it with any program you want. (Such as Winamp)
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Of course, if i had a 5.1 system, I wouldn't want any DSP's...
I have the regular JBL (not-so-bad) speakers that were coming with Compaq computers a couple of years ago (the firs generation of Compaq's that had the USB and joystick ports on the front of the case), and they have tiny woofers that makes the sound be a lot better. Obviously, my 1992 AIWA hi-fi sounds a LOT better, and when I do a party, I plug it instead of my speakers...
I'd reaaaaaally like to buy the WOW effects in hardware, but in case you didn't notice the situation in Argentina (probably you won't, but still...), the contry is broke, and I think I'm not in a situation of buying sound things for now...
LyleWilson, as I said before, I think that if you have a surround + sw system, you obviously won't notice the change... but if you have those old-fashioned stereo speakers, you will.
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What kind of equilizer settings do you have on Winamp3? I have my EQ set exactly the way I like it and compared to WinMedia, even with the SRS WOW effect, it rules. i have two Polk Audio Speakers that came with my HP hooked up to a Labtec subwoofer. Not exactly a high end audio system, but it pumps bass and it sounds good enough for me. I'm posting a pic of my EQ. Try setting it similar to that and then comparing the audio.
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Yeah, I used to use the equalizer, but the problem is that it's not like a dynamic bass boost. If you listen to Heavy Metal with the equalizer boosting the bass, you won't be able to listen the guy singing, and if you boost the trebles as well, it'll saturate... I don't know why, the SRS doesn't saturate...
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ahh hem

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Ahh... great!
I'm going to test it right away!
Hope it allows me to get rid of that annoying Media Player!
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because its a winamp 2.xx plug-in

you'll have to use this


schweitn's winamp 2 *.gen and *.dsp/api support for winamp3
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WOW Thing for Winamp

Ir's pretty good but you gotta pay for it......... unless you go to CRACKS.AM I don't know if I should post this but I want everybody to enjoy this good plugin.
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i seriously doubt that you should.

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Lo siento sobre Argentina!

You won't believe the sound from Adrian's enhancer:

http://www.publi.ro/ady/file/dsp_enh.zip

It's for winamp 2+ and doesnt work for wa3 afaik, only reason I'm still using winamp 2.78 despite its lack of any media library.

Bass, boost and clarity, only wished adrian replied to his many fan-mails. Did I mention it's free?
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Forgot to mention that you can (and SHOULD) run adrian's plugin with Winamp3 using the 2.X plugin manager.

Hear the freaking difference.
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/me has an onkyo amp...with its own dsp functions

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well, my opinion is this:

its soooo connected... the idea of speakers (good or bad) is
to create a sound.. that sound (today) can be separated
to 3 --> high sound (treble), mid (in big stereo spkrs)
and low sound (woofer). regular computer speakers have
tweeter (high) and mid (hard paper drum). same thing
in earphones (regular, and micro). those drums vibrate
according to elecric signals sent from the audio card
through the cord\s. the signals stay the same. the effect
of more\less bass\treble is being controlled by the volume
of the bass or treble... so basically... its all in your heads!!!

my 22 cents
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Well, kingomountain, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's WRONG!!! :-) just kidding. I do disagree though. If all you have are two cheap midrange computer speakers with no woofers, any bass boost effect will just rattle and sound friggin horrible. The dynamic bass boost and virtual surround sound effects are not in anyones head... Dynamic bass boost means that the bass volume levels change throughout the song attempting to create deep true bass throughout the whole song without blowing out your speakers one minute and sounding like overgrown headphones the next. That's what Dynamic means... "moving or changing, etc." as far as the virtual surround, I have no clue how it works but it's not in your head. THere is a deffinate difference in sound, although in my opinion it is not necessarily beneficial. I dont like DBB either becasue my woofer is not a high dollar piece of equipment and the woofer and the speakers werent made to go together, so the crossover frequencies are not mached up. Therefore, dynamic bass bost just muddles the entire track together, making it sound like crap. If you want my opinion, Get rich, and then buy a Soundblaster Audigy 5.1 and a set of Klipch Promedia 5.1s and then it will sound friggin awesome no matter what kind of bass boost you have. There's my 20 cents. :-)

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DSP/FX's emphasize sound output or distort it...(sound quality is lost with the amplification of frequencies as it would)

hardware DSP's do a better job than software ones
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vertigo... i admit... im not a tech man
and my knowledge in tech is below average
this was just my theory on how speakers work!

everybody has its own theory about something
dont you agree?

and winamprocker.... im only 16 and harmful
so please dont make me feel bad!!!
i did nothing to you

or at least start your thread like this:
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Haha, hey, I'm medium sized, 17, and already ugly... so your ugly stick is harmless against me... muhahahaha
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Huh !?
Are we everyone 16-17 here ???
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no...not all this old....but alot of us are

being 17 sucks balls

no alcohol, no pr0n, no driving licence(for me that is)
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Has anyone actually tried that hardware SRS wow thing?
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Has anyone actually tried that hardware SRS wow thing?
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no alcohol, no pr0n, no driving licence(for me that is)
man, those are really easy to get... especially the porn and the alcohol... and if I wanted to, i could get a driving licence...
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I got my drivers license when I turned 16. There's not much limiting the sales of porno or alchohol where I'm from either. (I live in a town of 530 poeple.)
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Has anyone actually tried that hardware SRS wow thing?
I don't believe they would have made one if it wasn't gonna be used....

I have never used it..nor ever will

the DSP functions of my amp work better than wow
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I use wowthing plugin for a long time now (legal version $$)
was one oft he first good enhancers with DFX.
I alos noticed it produces a very good 3d sound with poor speakers put behind the user (cheap pc speakers) and good speaker in front of the user (hifi or good pc speakers).
it plays some normaly unaudible sounds through the cheap speakers ! and brings real good sound through the real speakers !
try it if you have two pairs of speakers.
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Recently I tried "Dee" and it's pretty good
Wowthing didn't worked as well as in Mediaplayer... dunno why, but it's like that (maybe because some crazy stuff that NT/2000/XP family has with sound...)
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are you using directsound????

or wavOut as your output plug-in???


windows media should sound exactly the same as winamp's directsound.

only windows media uses lots more cpu and ram
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I use directsound, but I meant that WOW thing didn't sound the same... anyways, I'm alright with Dee, and finally stopped using media player. Winamp rocks!
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