Old 2nd March 2005, 21:22   #1
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US, Iraq Face Off On Nukes

I smell Iraq all over again.

Explaining Tehran's decision to bar the United Nations from some sensitive sites, a senior Iranian envoy told a 35-nation meeting Wednesday that his country fears leaked information the inspectors gather could help those planning a possible military strike.

At the same meeting — of the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency — the United States, which has not ruled out such an attack, urged U.N. Security Council action against Tehran, saying it is "cynically" pursuing nuclear arms.

Jackie Sanders, chief U.S. delegate to the International Atomic Energy Agency board of governors, also urged North Korea to commit to a "verifiable and irreversible end" to its nuclear program and to return to six-party talks.

North Korea "needs to make a strategic choice to step off the dangerous path it has set for itself," Sanders said as the board sought agreement on a statement urging the Pyongyang to return to negotiations and to end nuclear threats.

IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei refused to characterize Sanders' comments on Iran, which were in response to an IAEA update on Tehran's nuclear record after more than two years of examination by the agency.

But he said the "ball is very much in Iran's court to come clean" by cooperating to clear lingering suspicions about possible nuclear weapons ambitions.

Iran's refusal to grant IAEA inspectors renewed access to the Parchin military site after an initial severely restricted visit last month was one of the issues raised by the agency's review.

The United States alleges that Iran may be testing high-explosive components for nuclear weapons by using an inert core of depleted uranium at Parchin as a dry run for a bomb that would use fissile material.

Iran asserts that its military is not involved in nuclear activities, and the IAEA has no firm evidence to the contrary. The agency also has not been able to support U.S. assertions that nearly 20 years of covert nuclear programs discovered more than two years ago were aimed at making nuclear weapons — not generating electricity, as Tehran claims.

Iranian chief delegate Sirous Nasseri noted that his country was not obligated to allow any access to sites like Parchin, which are not part of the agency's purview.

Worries about "confidentiality of information" gathered on such visits "are more intense in view of potential threats of military strikes against ... facilities visited by (the) agency," he said.

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Old 2nd March 2005, 21:59   #2
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Old 2nd March 2005, 22:51   #3
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Lets see. They are an anti western, theocratic, backwards regime who are actively persuing nuclear technology with the intention to procure weapons.

And they expect us to sit by?
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Old 3rd March 2005, 04:33   #4
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so they won't let the inspectors in with the excuse that the inspectors could possibly be spys that would use the information in a strike on the facilities.

So how about we offer them these two options. Let the inspectors in or the entire site will be bombed to hell.

If the fear an attack because of inspectors, let the other option be a guaranteed attack.
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Old 3rd March 2005, 20:51   #5
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Well bombing is spectacular to see on tv

And, Iran lies next to Iraq, so an invasion would be quite easy now. Seems to me this is a perfect opportunity.
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Old 3rd March 2005, 21:51   #6
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If you look over Shi'ite history, this type of decision falls under the "typical shi'ite response" category.


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Old 4th March 2005, 07:16   #7
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Why not just go in there with a small batalion and say, "we are going to inspect this now, interfer and be invaded by the rest of our armies," type of thing?

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Old 4th March 2005, 18:19   #8
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it's not like Iran doesn't have an army.

even my idea of bombing the facilities would be stupid unless we were truly willing to bomb them and start a serious conflict with Iran. I'm sure pretty much any hostile action will result in Iraq being invaded by Iran. I don't think we really want that to happen. Especially not right now.
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I think if we want to be the world police we are going to need to hire more police officers (raise taxes) and increase the benefits of armed duty. People just aren't patriotic like back in the WWII days. I'm still considering it whilest I am still able but I will probably do national guard reservist when I'm older.

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I'd prefer if we weren't the world police, lets make cars that run on ethanol and let the rest of the world just kill itself.
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it's not like Iran doesn't have an army.

even my idea of bombing the facilities would be stupid unless we were truly willing to bomb them and start a serious conflict with Iran. I'm sure pretty much any hostile action will result in Iraq being invaded by Iran. I don't think we really want that to happen. Especially not right now.
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em...I would like to complain about the proliferation of unneccessary and totally unneeded Nuclear weapons by any nation. I include both Britain and America in that retoric who have blatantly flaunted International and United Nations directives and agreements for years.
And France, who blatantly murdered innocent people on the Rainbow Warrior...
And ....well theres a lot of stuff we should be putting right as a democracy before we even attempt to correct any other country...

Personally - it's all a crock Shi'ite anyway, the sooner folk cop on to the fact that we have one fecking planet and live like that the better if you ask me...Nations? who wants em? who needs ems?

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so it's better for the US and Britian to work on disarming before attempting to prevent Iran from getting a nuke?

So while we get rid of our nukes they have time to build one of their own and then what will the situation be? I'm sure they'll be like, "Oh you got rid of yours? I guess we'll get rid of ours then."
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Look we can turn the whole middle east into a parking lot as long as we get to buy gas at $.50 cents per barrel ;-) Jokes aside though, throughout history stronger nations have imposed their will on weaker nations. There is nothing new with what is going on right now in the middle east. On a personal note, while I wish for a peaceful world, I am very well aware that the Bush doctrine does have a place in modern society...
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We can glass the entire planet with our nuclear stockpile. I think those other countries should very well keep that in mind. We also have our bunker busters and daisy cutters that can hit with laser accuracy.

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Old 8th March 2005, 10:24   #17
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That makes you the greatest people on Earth. I love you.

And ActivWiz, what the fuck? Just because America is the mightiest and hence the greatest and bestest doesn't mean it gives it the right to impose its might and greatness and bestness on the rest of the world. In case you haven't noticed, the rest of the world would be pretty glad if America kept its arrogant might and greatness and bestness to itself and stopped interfering with other people's business.
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We can glass the entire planet with our nuclear stockpile. I think those other countries should very well keep that in mind. We also have our bunker busters and daisy cutters that can hit with laser accuracy.
And you wonder why people are more afraid of you than of Iran?
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America is at its peak as an empire and is doign that which every empire does at its peak. When Spain was the world's greatest empire it did same, when Great Britain was the world's greatest empire it did the same, when Rome was the worlds greatest empire and so on and so forth.

Point is, who cares what other people think when you can have your way based on the size of the stick you carry. For the long term it is not the best approach, but by then we would all be dead anyway ;-(

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And ActivWiz, what the fuck? Just because America is the mightiest and hence the greatest and bestest doesn't mean it gives it the right to impose its might and greatness and bestness on the rest of the world. In case you haven't noticed, the rest of the world would be pretty glad if America kept its arrogant might and greatness and bestness to itself and stopped interfering with other people's business.
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In the modern world, empires can be criticised, and their actions are less immutable, though. There was an interesting article (and later book and TV series, I think) about regarding the US as an empire, it makes some good points. I can't find the bastard thing, though.

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In the modern world, empires can be criticised, and their actions are less immutable, though. There was an interesting article (and later book and TV series, I think) about regarding the US as an empire, it makes some good points. I can't find the bastard thing, though.
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...except in America, or the world in general. But in most cases, is that a bad thing?

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And you wonder why people are more afraid of you than of Iran?
Difference is that Iran has a government that openly endorces terrorism, and if they had a functional nuke right now, they'd probably drop it on a civilized country for the hell of it...

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That assertion seems frivolous and nonsensical, MidnightViper88. I seriously doubt they'd "probably" do that at all.

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I dont think they would either.
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Lol especially in America. The true test of freedom is being able to go to a public place and denounce your government. Last I checked, anyone in America can still do that. Can't say the same for the rest of the world. Over there it's more like, majority have their way, minority are held at bay...

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Iran has a government better suited for medieval times than the present day and age, however, they do not endorse terrorism, that my friend is propaganda. In fact, there is no nation on the face of the earth at this time which endorses terrorism.

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Difference is that Iran has a government that openly endorces terrorism, and if they had a functional nuke right now, they'd probably drop it on a civilized country for the hell of it...
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high leaders in Iran's theocracy have made statements in the past pretty much saying that if they got a nuke, they would use it on Israel.
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The true test of freedom is being able to go to a public place and denounce your government. Last I checked, anyone in America can still do that.
Haha. The first word that came to my mind was brainwashing.
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Can't say the same for the rest of the world. Over there it's more like, majority have their way, minority are held at bay...
Are you referring to the entirety of the rest of the world? Because that's certainly not true.

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Pakistan admits rogue scientist aided Iran
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rogue scientist sounds like some messed up D&D character class, like some sort of crazy badass alchemist or something
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He sold them a +5 Mace of Mass Destruction.

Should probably be treating this a bit more seriously, but wasn't there a number of "rogue scientists" aiding Iraq in the 80s? I have a book somewhere with that information, but I have no idea where it's bloody gone.

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