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It's Iran War Time!

Iran Defiantly Rejects New U.N. Demands
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer

BERLIN

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Iran on Thursday the "international community is united" in the dispute over its nuclear program, but a Tehran envoy defiantly rejected a U.N. call to reimpose a freeze on uranium enrichment.

Rice spoke after a meeting in Berlin among diplomats from the five veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany over ways to press Iran to stop enriching uranium, which can be used for weapons. Iran says its program is peaceful.

The meeting follows agreement Wednesday by the 15-member Security Council to ask the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, to report back in 30 days on Iran's compliance with demands to stop enriching uranium.

In Vienna, Iran's chief representative to the IAEA, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, told The Associated Press that "it is impossible to go back to suspension."

"This enrichment matter is not reversible," Soltanieh said.

Rice said the Berlin meeting sends "a very strong signal to Iran that the international community is united."

She hinted at escalating Security Council action should Iran disregard the council's demand that it freeze enrichment, although remarks from Russian and Chinese representatives suggested strains in the alliance facing down Tehran.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said the issue of sanctions was not discussed at the meeting and were not supported by Moscow.

"Russia on principle doesn't think sanctions can achieve a settlement, especially in the Middle East where there's so much going on," he said.

Lavrov's remarks were echoed by China's Vice Foreign Minister Dai Bingguo, who called for a "peaceful solution" and added there was "too much turmoil" in the region.

"This issue is among the most difficult and complicated in today's world, it requires time, persistence and wisdom, and it can only be resolved through peaceful means," Dai said, adding his country would "work together with the other sides."

The United States and Britain used tougher rhetoric.

British Foreign Minister Jack Straw said Iran had "miscalculated."

"The onus is on Iran to show the international community that its program is entirely for civil purposes and for no other," Straw said. "We have shown very great patience with Iran. They in turn have miscalculated.

"They thought the international community would be divided on this issue but in fact they have become more and more united," he added.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that his country and the five permanent members remained intent on a "diplomatic solution" to the dispute.

He held out hope Tehran might reconsider, telling reporters: "We hope that the declaration by the Iranian ambassador is not the last word offered on this."

Steinmeier said the 30-day window agreed on by the Security Council declaration gives Iran time to "make a choice between isolation ... or a return to the negotiating table.

"We all very much hope that Iran will seize the offer to resume negotiations and we use this opportunity to once again call on Iran to suspend all enrichment activities and to open up once again the path leading to negotiations," he said.

Wednesday's statement from the Security Council took into account the Russian and Chinese reservations about too much toughness, while meeting U.S., French and British calls for keeping the pressure on Tehran.

The modest statement did not go as far as the United States had wanted. It is not legally binding and carries no explicit penalties for Iran if it does not comply, but Rice said it is an important first step. The Security Council could eventually impose economic sanctions, though Russia and China say they oppose such tough measures.

The statement also calls on Iran to ratify the IAEA's additional protocol, which allows unannounced inspections.

The Security Council could eventually impose economic sanctions, though Russia and China say they oppose such tough measures.

The Europeans initially proposed a much stronger statement but accepted a milder one to secure the support of Russia and China. Western countries agreed to drop language that proliferation "constitutes a threat to international peace and security." Also gone is a mention that the council is specifically charged under the U.N. charter with addressing such threats.

Russia and China had opposed that language because they wanted nothing in the statement that could automatically trigger council action after 30 days.

The West has refused to rule out sanctions, and U.S. officials have said the threat of military action must also remain on the table.

In Geneva, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki condemned "unjustified propaganda" about its program.

"Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and has never diverted towards prohibited activities," Mottaki told the 65-nation Conference on Disarmament.

But, he added, Iran is willing to continue talks with the IAEA.

"We are willing to continue with negotiations and also continue with our sincere and constructive cooperation with the agency," Mottaki told reporters. "Our cooperation with the agency will continue."

Negotiations between Iran and France, Germany and Britain collapsed in August after Tehran rejected a package of incentives offered in return for a permanent end to uranium enrichment. Its moves to develop full- blown enrichment capabilities led the IAEA's board to ask for Security Council involvement.

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Screw those freedom war names. Let's call it "Operation Kick Some Ass"
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Old 30th March 2006, 19:59   #2
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Re: It's Iran War Time!

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Screw those freedom war names. Let's call it "Operation Kick Some Ass"
Wouldn't it be more like 'operation lets get our asses kicked'

War on Iran would be an entirely different barrel of laughs to Iraq, you wouldn't be fighting Saddams rag tag part time army most of who ran away at the first shots, you'd be fighting a very well armed fanatical army who would go down to sticks and stones before giving up.

Drop a nuke?, fair enough, although you'd likely become international pariahs for doing so.

And I wonder where Russia would fall in all this, they've always seemed to be allies of Iran....
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Old 30th March 2006, 20:55   #4
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I'm all for letting them enrich all the uranium they want.
We do it.
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Old 30th March 2006, 22:16   #5
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Old 30th March 2006, 22:31   #6
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i doubt that the current administration would get the support to pull another iraq with iran. Without overwealming world support nothing is going to happen.
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Screw those freedom war names. Let's call it "Operation Kick Some Ass"
Was a joke. I want a war in Iran as much as I want to be ass fucked by Bilbo. (not at all)
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Old 31st March 2006, 05:19   #8
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Hi My old friends
one iranian man was here.
in this time war only can become stronger iran regim.
if world can find a better way thats much better.
also if war happend on iran the result of this war is very
hard and without result
well if world find a better road thats very good.
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Wouldn't it be more like 'operation lets get our asses kicked'

War on Iran would be an entirely different barrel of laughs to Iraq, you wouldn't be fighting Saddams rag tag part time army most of who ran away at the first shots, you'd be fighting a very well armed fanatical army who would go down to sticks and stones before giving up.

Drop a nuke?, fair enough, although you'd likely become international pariahs for doing so.

And I wonder where Russia would fall in all this, they've always seemed to be allies of Iran....
Let China foot the bill. They can afford to send half a billion soldiers to steam roll over the fanatics.
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one iranian man was here.
in this time war only can become stronger iran regim.
if world can find a better way thats much better.
also if war happend on iran the result of this war is very
hard and without result
well if world find a better road thats very good.
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Yea, it's about time China used some of their own cheap plastic shit and invaded some oil filled puss pocket. Damn, they need oil worse than we do.

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one iranian man was here.
in this time war only can become stronger iran regim.
if world can find a better way thats much better.
also if war happend on iran the result of this war is very
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well if world find a better road thats very good.
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Iran must not be able to build nuclear weapons regardless of whether it makes the regime stronger or not.
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Hi My old friends
one iranian man was here.
in this time war only can become stronger iran regim.
if world can find a better way thats much better.
also if war happend on iran the result of this war is very
hard and without result
well if world find a better road thats very good.
Hello Mr_007!

What do you think of your presidents desire for nuclear weapons?

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bad news
btw: iran succesfully tested "stealth" rockets capable of atomic nukes

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Old 31st March 2006, 16:37   #16
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I say wait and let Iran start the next war.
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and let iran nuke isreal?
NO WAY!

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maybe make it well know throughout the muslim world, that if Israel gets nuked, then Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Cairo, Tehran, Damascus, Amman, Sanaa, Muscat, and Khartoum all get nuked into oblivion.

Especially Mecca and Medina, so much so that it will be impossible to go near the place without dying from excessive radiation poisoning. That'll pretty much screw up the Hajj requirement of the Islamic religion.
Every 50 years or so we'll drop another nuke on the smoldering crater.
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Today, a remarkable goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran's defense forces was realized with the successful test-firing of a new missile with greater technical and tactical capabilities than those previously produced," Gen. Hossein Salami said on state-run television.
Don't belive anyone who is called Salami, is it April the 1st in Iran yet?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4301889.stm

The russians are the ones we should make accountable. Without russian involvement the matter would be moot.
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Don't belive anyone who is called Salami, is it April the 1st in Iran yet?
I actually saw the same story on msnbc.
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I'm not surprised they're doing it.. Look at it from there point of view.

They've just seen two countries, who did there level best to help a country they were at war with for years, invade illegally that same country. Between them, both of those countries have the worst and biggest arsenal of destructive weapons of mass destruction that exist.

So tell me this? What the Fuck would you do?

Exactly the same as the Iranians are is what! working on the stupid premiss well we'll make sure we take a few hundred thousand/million or so of you out as well.

Bunch of fucking nutters the lot of em - on both sides. I'd be really worried I suppose if they had half a brain cell between them. Least at the moment there kinda predictable - heaven forbid if they get a tiny bit of intelligence - I'd be really fucking worried then...

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Hello Mr_007!

What do you think of your presidents desire for nuclear weapons?
Hi Will
Yes This stupid president have a desire of
nuclear weapons.
please dont say to tis stupid man president.
say slave of the king of slamic republic!
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Thanks mikm
Thanks elchevelle.
Thanks Dlinkwit27.
Hi all my old friends.
matters i think war perhaps happend on this time.
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Wouldn't it be more like 'operation lets get our asses kicked'
Unlike Iraq everyone on this side of the ocean as well as that side consider Iran a threat. About the only way Iran would get any support for their actions would be to use oil as a negotiating tool to gain a few allies but an Iran with nukes is actually more of a threat to Europe, Asia and Africa than it is to the USA.

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Iran has remained untouched by western influence since the Shah got ousted, except for the war with Iraq, which is why we gave Sadam weapons in the first place.

Iraq would have lost and they were our "buddies" at the time. Who actually started the war is a little questionable.

These are not the "preblasted" Iraqis though.
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Who is our ally now?

They will be our enemy in 10 years.
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Iran has remained untouched by western influence since the Shah got ousted, except for the war with Iraq, which is why we gave Sadam weapons in the first place.

Iraq would have lost and they were our "buddies" at the time. Who actually started the war is a little questionable.

These are not the "preblasted" Iraqis though.
Well, techniqully Iran would not have been our "buddies". The reason why we sold the means for Suddamm to build SCUD missles is so that Iran would not win.

If Iran happed to win anyway they would have continued a Jihad against Iraqs neighborhood of countries, most importantly Israel.

Then could have easly teamed up with Jordan, Palestine, Leabnon, and Syria (not to mention numerous Terrorist organizations). To retry what was attempted in 1967 and 1973, but this time powered by the ever growing, but poorly armed Basij to help over power any army that Israel had, or for that matter the USA had.

I suppose were facing that challenge again. It will really depend on how the world steps up to the challenge with the nuclear issue. Im all for Iran trying to power their country, but one major problem comes to mind. Iran is sitting on a bed of oil. Why don't they just make more oil power plants? They could power their country ten-fold.

Plus all of their recent weapons testing isn't that reasurring either...
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The hypocrisy really annoys me. Who is to say Iran is not to be trusted with uranium? The USA is suddenly trustworthy, a country that goes to war despite pretty much everyone else in the world opposing it, and on very flimsy evidence which has mostly turned out to be false?

I agree with ElChevelle, let them enrich their uranium.
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Who is our ally now?

They will be our enemy in 10 years.
Oh shit... Canada, Mexico, Briton, ...

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and let iran nuke isreal?
NO WAY!
Israel has nukes. Israel is a big boy. Let it work out it's own Mutually Assured Destruction stalemate.

Of course Iran wants nukes! What would you do if you were running Iran or South Korea? Bush calls you part of the "Axis of Evil", with Iraq... and then trumps up a phoney reason to invade Iraq. Of course you get a nuclear weapon! And if we invade Iran, a dozen more countries will scramble to get nukes.

A nuclear weapon will only make Iran almost impossible to overthrow from without. No matter how many nukes they get, if they use them, we'll still be able to bomb them into atoms... and then bomb the atoms.
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What would you do if you were running Iran or South Korea

You mean, North Korea.



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You mean, North Korea.



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Noted.

Wow, Kim Jong Il really DOES look like the puppet from Team America, World Police!


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The hypocrisy really annoys me. Who is to say Iran is not to be trusted with uranium? The USA is suddenly trustworthy, a country that goes to war despite pretty much everyone else in the world opposing it, and on very flimsy evidence which has mostly turned out to be false?

I agree with ElChevelle, let them enrich their uranium.

Where is the hypocrisy? Every day, Iran proves to the world that they can't be trusted. If you think you can agrue that, stop playing WOW all day and start reading the news.

This time we won't have "flimsy" evidence, they tell us everything we need to hear. They spill it all over the internet so we can read it each day. However, people like you will hold America at bay, on the grounds that we are going to war for selfish reasons, until there's no dening that have no other choice and most likely people have already been killed.

They can enrich their uranium...at 3.5%.. any higher then we can only assume it's for the wrong reasons.
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Where is the hypocrisy? Every day, Iran proves to the world that they can't be trusted.
How's that?
I don't remember them bombing our embassies or blowing themselves up at bus stops.
They come right out and discuss that they want nuclear power, which is more than what we do.
The hypocrisy is that we have nukes yet want no one else to have them.
Are you blind and deaf as well?
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Just todays news Chev, they dropped 50 million on Hamas. Iran is a renowned world troublemaker.

You can measure the hyposcrisy against the fact that I think most of us wished we never invented the damn things. Supposedly, this is a weapon that we won't use. But that situation would change rapidly were radical islamic states to blow up Israel.... or like that .....
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