Old 23rd April 2004, 01:43   #1
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Is there ogg and flac tag support in the works?

Is there a plug-in or extension in the works that will add ogg and flac tag support to media library? Currently ML will only read from the tags, not write.
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Old 23rd April 2004, 01:55   #2
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Well I'm sorry! I just tried editing an Ogg tag and it worked just fine!

However, the FLAC tags still do not sync; I must edit the library's entry and the FLAC tag itself separately.
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Old 23rd April 2004, 03:10   #3
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The 3rd-party FLAC plugin is badly in need of an update.

Has anyone seen X-Fixer anywhere? (last post June 2003)
All my PM's and emails have gone unanswered.
And his site hasn't been updated for even longer.

If anyone sees him, point him here

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Hmm, the in_flac tags are working ok for me (alt+3).
Not sure what the problem is, because there's none here for me.
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Old 23rd April 2004, 12:38   #4
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Say, isn't there some sort of connection between FLAC and Ogg Vorbis? I remember that one could use Ogg tags on FLAC files but it was unintrinsic...or something. One could even use ID3v2 (maybe I think?) but that was even less supported. I am grasping at straws here so could someone please fill me in?
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Old 23rd April 2004, 21:06   #5
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yes, there is a connection. both are Ogg.

More acurately, the formats are:
Ogg Vorbis, and
Ogg FLAC
i.e., a Vorbis or a FLAC stream in an Ogg container stream.

You *can* use ID3v2 in Ogg streams, but it's not a good idea, since most decoders don't expect it, and since Ogg has it's own native tag format.
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Old 23rd April 2004, 21:29   #6
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ID3v2 tags in Ogg Vorbis files corrupts them. They will NOT play in Winamp.

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Old 24th April 2004, 04:09   #7
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Is it possible to use Ogg tags on a FLAC stream? Or is that what is done right now and it's simply a matter of the FLAC plugin being technologically behind the Ogg plugin?
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Old 24th April 2004, 05:12   #8
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as far as i understood FLAC could have any tag slammed on it without breaking things. (although it has its own tagging format)

i use FLAC as my music storage compressor, i think its all as FLAC tags but i don't know.

an Ogg tag in a FLAC would most likely be an OggFLAC file which is a .Ogg file extention (i think) with a FLAC inside.

the thing is an Ogg file can have any type of codec/ compressor inside it, i actually think you can stick Mp3's in an Ogg container if you wanted (but don't quote me on it)

its like AVI (with DivX, XviD, Mp3.... inside it)


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Old 25th April 2004, 11:07   #9
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Quote:
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Is it possible to use Ogg tags on a FLAC stream? Or is that what is done right now and it's simply a matter of the FLAC plugin being technologically behind the Ogg plugin?
you're mixing terms... there is no "Ogg plugin", there is an Ogg Vorbis plugin. Essentially, you seem to be right. I guess the FLAC plugin only reads the FLAC stream from the Ogg container, and does not read the Ogg tag.
(I don't know personally, as i don't use any sort of lossless audio compression.)
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Old 8th July 2004, 16:08   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherBlue
Is it possible to use Ogg tags on a FLAC stream?
As a matter of fact, it is the only officially supported way of tagging FLAC files.

Quote:
A quote from the FLAC format definition page
VORBIS_COMMENT: This block is for storing a list of human-readable name/value pairs. Values are encoded using UTF-8. It is an implementation of the Vorbis comment specification. This is the only officially supported tagging mechanism in FLAC. There may be only one VORBIS_COMMENT block in a stream.
However, the Winamp FLAC Plugin v1.1.0, by Josh Coalson only reads the vorbis_comments for displaying in the playlist. The Media Library only shows information gathered from path and filename, even if you click "View File Info".

It's the same for the Winamp2 FLAC plugin v1.0beta7 by Josh Coalson and X-Fixer.

It's pretty annoying for people who store complete albums in the format
Artist\Album\## - Title.flac
as all FLACs in the Media Library will appear to have no artist. But although I've searched pretty much, I haven't found a better plugin yet.

If anyone knows of a way to display vorbis_comments for FLACs in the Media Library, please please pretty please post here!


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Old 8th July 2004, 16:32   #11
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I am, as it seems, mistaken.

I installed the latest in_flac.dll I could find - Winamp2 FLAC plugin v1.0beta7 by Josh Coalson and X-Fixer. This plugin enables the Media Library to display VORBIS_COMMENTS for FLAC files.

However, it won't just show the tags for files already in the Media Library. So do the following:

Delete ALL FILES from your media library: In the left window, click on "Local Media" - "Audio". In the upper left window, select "All", then do the same in the upper right window.

Now click into the lower window and press CTRL-A. When all files are selected, click "Remove from library". After reloading the Library, all Audio files should be gone.

Click "Library" - "Add Media to Library" and add your media again.

Voilà, now the FLAC files' tags should be properly displayed in the media library.


Hope this helps...


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P.S.: As I don't recall from which of the half-dozen downloaded archives the plugin came and am too lazy to check it out I have attached the working in_flac.dll to this post.
Please backup your old in_flac.dll until you're sure the new one works fine for you!
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Old 8th July 2004, 16:34   #12
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d'uh, I forgot the file, and couldn't add it by editing my post. sorry.

here you go
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File Type: rar wa2_flac_v1.0b7.rar (44.1 KB, 752 views)
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Old 8th July 2004, 17:40   #13
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Thanks!
Rarewares still has 1.0b6, which doesn't work with the library.
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Old 9th July 2004, 03:36   #14
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If you've got mixed content in your library (mp3, ogg, m4a, etc), and don't want to lose all stats, the easiest/best way would be to remove just the .flac files only

Local Media > Search query

?filename ends flac

Remove all results
Then just add the flac files again
(or rescan media folders)


Note, the full flac v1.1.0m package is available here:
http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html
http://cyberial.com/flacinstaller.asp

The in_flac 1.0beta7 plugin is included in the package,
along with auto setup (flac icon) and uninstaller.
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Old 28th July 2004, 18:57   #15
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Anyone know if I'm doing something wrong here:

I use FLAC and have artist, album, track title, track no. added to the tags in the files.

I can control the content of the Title column in the Media Library. Using the advanced title formatting (or the FLAC input plug-in title formatting) if I set something like:

[%artist% - ][%album% - ][%tracknumber% ][%title%]

I get the correct info in the Title column, which seems to imply that the Media Library has got the correct information from the plug-in.

But all the other columns in the Media Library are blank. Has anyone managed to get FLAC tag info into the other columns?

Thanks for any help.
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