Old 15th November 2006, 12:59   #1
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There is painful six-minute video that has suddenly spread all over the world via YouTube and "click here to watch" buttons on campus newspaper and TV station Web sites and on countless blogs.

It shows part of what happened in front of students who had been studying in the UCLA library when an Iranian-American student reportedly did not show any ID to campus police.

The excruciating video clip makes you want to shut your eyes as you hear sounds that echo those heard during the enflamed 1968 Vietnam-era demonstrations: Enraged students screaming at police; police yelling back and using strong force trying to get students under control.


"Here's your Patriot Act! … your … abuse of power!" shouts a student, using profanity after screaming out in anguished pain from the electric jolts of a police Taser.

"Stand up or you'll get Tasered again!" the police shout back.

"I said I would leave," the student moans loudly, as appalled fellow students crowd in, some demanding the badge numbers of the police.

It's not clear from the video whether the student is unable to stand up because of the initial Taser shock — a nerve-stunning jolt that can immobilize muscles for a several seconds.

One difference from the anti-war demonstrations that reached a peak in 1968 — this time the demonstrations are recorded by cell phone cameras and mini digital video cameras and then disseminated on the Internet:


Lawsuit Alleges 'Brutal Excessive Force' and Profiling


"We are joining a group of students today to demand an independent investigation of this incident," Hussam Aylush, who heads the Southern California office of the Council on American Islamic Relations, told ABC News.


Aylush told us his office has received "lot of e-mails and phone calls from students and parents, expressing a lot of anxiety and concern about what happened."


"Parents and the community have the right to expect that their children are going to be safe when they are on campus," he added.
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Old 18th November 2006, 04:11   #2
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There isn't anything to sue about. This is normal cop behavior. Dude was resisting arrest.

Too bad.
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Old 18th November 2006, 05:11   #3
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Gotta agree with rockout on this one; they told him 10 times atleast to just stand up.

He knew what he was doing. He knew the consequences of his actions.
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Old 18th November 2006, 05:18   #4
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This is normal cop behavior.
Like Rodney King. Amirite?
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Old 18th November 2006, 05:21   #5
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Like Rodney King. Amirite?
Yeah, but if it's a white guy they'res no riot.

This guy was killed by the cops here for "possible public urination".

http://www.newscloud.com/read/75169/

They kicked his ass so bad that his ribs punctured his lungs and he drown in his own blood..... in keeping with standard police procedure.

Do you think it is odd that it is illegal in my state to publish pictures of police?.

A minister was one of the witnesses..... but nah, it's all justified in normal police procedure.... beat a broken down wimpy guy to death .... because maybe he pissed on the sidewalk....

All in a days work for these great heroes of our community.

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Excessive force is excessive force, regardless of whether the person is disobeying an order.

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Old 18th November 2006, 12:35   #7
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Makes me sick. Certainly the cops had less extreme alternatives. Just a bunch of bullies with a badge. Probably racially profiling to begin with.
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Old 18th November 2006, 14:43   #8
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3 security guards ordering a guy to stand up.
You know what they usually do is put you down to the ground.

"STAND UP! STAND UP!" STAND UP!"
Guy stands up.
"HE'S COMING AT US! TASER HIM!"

Tasering more than twice is idiotic.
If someone's unresoponsive after the first two, it's not going to do any good to continue it. 3 fucking guards, what a joke. I used to "escort" people out of the bar all by my lonesome.
The court will decide who was right in this case....in dollars, lots and lots of them.
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Old 18th November 2006, 15:04   #9
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They didnt have to tase him that many times, he said he'd leave, the cops were out of line by tasing him 3-4+ times. That's rediculus and they're lucky he didnt die. I'm appauled.
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Old 18th November 2006, 17:59   #10
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Excessive force is excessive force, regardless of whether the person is disobeying an order.
I know a guy, he got tazered 75 times. It gave him nerve damage that needed to be repaired in the hospital. I myself have been beat up by the police, and I wasn't resisting arrest and I wasn't guilty of anything.

Cops just have too good a time doing their jobs. They think this shit is funny. Of course, they have been psycological testing to assure that they are sociopathic scum.

But whether it's shooting a 19 year old pregnant girl for booking from a police stop, killing a mental patient in a max security lockdown, or just beating a prisoner up for fun.... these are our police....

They are mentally screened to be scum, trained to be scum and the training works.

Maybe 1 in 1000 times, these guys run into a real bad guy. And then they don't catch em. The rest of the time, they are some petty jack booted tax collector, running around fucking with people for nothing.

I firmly believe in the US, that you can get in more trouble for relative nothing, than if you actually committed a serious crime.

That's because law enforcement is an industry. The cops don't serve us, they serve it.

Why would you hire stupid cretans and train them to be assholes?. Because intelligent, rational people wouldn't do the job.

I knew some good cops. They quit, sometimes after 20 years. They'd tell you about the same thing.

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I knew a deputy sheriff.
His real goal in life was to be a corrections officer.
It didn't take trigonometry to figure out why.
He was the pipsqueak who got his ass handed to him all through his youth and it was time to get payback.
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I knew a deputy sheriff.
His real goal in life was to be a corrections officer.
It didn't take trigonometry to figure out why.
He was the pipsqueak who got his ass handed to him all through his youth and it was time to get payback.
I think I've met his brothers.
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Old 18th November 2006, 20:58   #13
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I knew some good cops. They quit, sometimes after 20 years. They'd tell you about the same thing.
As we discussed in another thread, that's not what the police are like here (or in my experience at least). I can't really comment on the US police in general. But this does seem pretty excessive.

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Open and Shut case.

30+ Witnesses
Videotape

owned.

Excessive Force by Tazer. He might win Profiling by default. If his Lawyers can't win this one then they need to find another profession.

This is nothing new in the U.S. Just one of those incidents that caught them red handed.

IT was 3 against 1. They could have easily carried him out of the complex. But they didn't and instead created a mob of witnesses.

I'm surprised that none of the mob tried to stop them by force.
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Old 18th November 2006, 22:02   #15
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Wanna bet?. This will never even get past a grand jury. 30 witnesses to what?. A guy getting arrested?.
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Old 18th November 2006, 22:05   #16
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Wanna bet?. This will never even get past a grand jury.
Good thing you're a lawyer with years of law practice, instead of some guy on the interbuts, or you would look really stupid right about now.
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"Here's your Patriot Act! … your … abuse of power!" shouts a student, using profanity after screaming out in anguished pain from the electric jolts of a police Taser.
Yeah, like this guy didn't have something to prove when he challenged police.

This has been all over the web and will be elevated to urban legend, but you are looking at a video of police officers conducting a legal arrest.

Luckily there were witnesses, they usually aren't that professional.

Profiling?. That's possible, but I doubt it. It would never fly in Oregon. California.... well maybe....

That would be pretty hard to sell and it's a different issue than what happened to dude when he failed to obey the lawful orders of a police officer.

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These were rent-a-cop, university police. UCLA will be sued hard and will settle to shut the case down. Any guesses on how many $'s annually the LAPD spends in settling police abuse of power suits for incidents like this one? hrmm? Upwards of $15 million a year. Yup. This is a no-brainer win for the kid regardless of what rockoutlawyer says.

From all accounts I've read the kid was challenged for his student Id card. He refused because he is a US citizen (born here) but of persian parents. Read: Persian = brown and turrorust-like looking. He was walkin out to leave when the punk rent-a-cop grabbed him. You can hear him at the beginning of the vid screaming, "get your hands off me." Probably stupid, but not a tazerable offense. He certainly wasn't resisting after the first tazering. He was using passive resistance. If these were real LAPD they would have been trained to just pick the guy up and carry him to squad car - after reading him his miranda rights. I know what's with the Miranda now that our country doesn't have habeas Corpus for these brown savage turrorists? But no, these were ill-trained rent-a-cops like you see at the mall. Tazer city. Lawsuit city, too.

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OK, we'll see. It is California. If I go down to the college and don't show my student ID, they ask me to leave. If I don't, they'll escort me out.

Since it is California, who knows, maybe the university would settle, but it'd never fly here.
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Ah, but you're white.
They'll likely save the batteries and politely ask you to leave.

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Ah, but you're white.
They'll likely save the batteries and politely ask you to leave.

lol@rockoutlawyer.
Does being white make me smarter than this guy?. The cops wouldn't have needed the tazer, because I would have said "OK, I'll leave, have a nice day", instead of screaming about the oppressed masses.

Frankly, if this guy was white, nobody would have thought anything about it.

I learned a long time ago. Do what the cops tell you and they might not kick your ass.

What I wish I could impress on everyone is that these guys are equal opportunity assholes. You aren't getting special treatment for being black or arab. They beat up white people too. It just doesn't make the news as much.

An example is the white guy above that got killed. Imagine if he'd been black..... You might be safer in the hands of the police if you are a minority. When the cops pull a "Rodney King" on a white guy, it doesn't even make the paper unless the guy gets killed.

Cops are dangerous, maladjusted, militarized retards with guns, so they are to be avoided whenever possible. And it don't matter what color you are.

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He had a clear chance to avoid contact with them, didn't he?
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Did he?
They came to him first to see his ID.
Even if they didn't, Susie Smith wouldn't have been tasered at all for not producing an ID in a timely fashion.

/buttfucks a security guard just out of spite.
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It's not as if they walked up to him and just started tasing him. He was screaming at them and refusing to identify himself when they decided to subdue him.

Again: He knew the consequences of his actions; he knew what he was doing.
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His last thoughts, "Dude, I'm gonna fuck with this cop. I hope he tasers my ass 4-5 times, so that I'm convulsing on the floor as a slue of onlookers horde around me. I also hope that my cries of pure anguish go unheeded as my internal organs spasm and I nearly loose consciousness. IT'LL BE FUCKING SWEET"
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No. His last thoughts were more like "I'm in a pissy mood and I feel like screaming at somebody. Oh, here come some big cops."

The guys playing chicken don't think "I want to run face first into this car coming at me shattering every bone and vital organ in my body. Hopefully before I die the car will burst into a fireball and filet my skin and intestines."
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How did he know what he was getting into, then? If he, by your reasoning, only wanted to scream, where do tasers come into play?

Remember, he screamed after getting tasered. A pretty fucking rational thing to do, I'd say. It doesn't matter what mood he was in, he would have gotten tasered regardless.

Your logic is flawed; an abuse of power is apparent.
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So are you trying to say that he's mentally disabled? I don't follow your logic.

He fucked with some big dogs and got bitten. Played with fire and got burnt. Etc etc. People don't go into these stupid situations EXPECTING THE WORST, but they go in KNOWING THE WORST.

If he didn't understand that fucking with cops would have repercussions then he's either incredibly ignorant or mentally disabled.

Also, I don't believe that he just said "I'm a student, I don't want to show you my ID (why the fuck would he say this in the first place??)" and they tased him. That makes no sense. There's no way that they would have tased him unless he was acting extremely unmanageably or gave them a reason to.
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He fucked with some big dogs and got bitten. Played with fire and got burnt. Etc etc. People don't go into these stupid situations EXPECTING THE WORST, but they go in KNOWING THE WORST.
He didn't fuck with any dog. He couldn't produce his ID, that's really fucking with some dogs, huh?
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Also, I don't believe that he just said "I'm a student, I don't want to show you my ID (why the fuck would he say this in the first place??)" and they tased him. That makes no sense.
You have no notion of this never happening, as it hasn't been reported by anyone. I'd be willing to put money down that he said he was a student.

I don't see how you can view this as a normal incident and not an excessive abuse of power. I'd make an equivocation to the Holocaust, but it'd go unheeded.

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He didn't fuck with any dog. He couldn't produce his ID, that's really fucking with some dogs, huh?
What? He "couldn't" produce his ID? More like he refused to present his ID. As Rockouthippie already said, he could have just walked away and not stood there screaming about the opressed masses and have not gotten tasered. There is no way that it's even remotely possible that he did not know he was going to get tasered again when the police officers said "STAND UP OR GET TASERED AGAIN" 10+ times. I only compared his actions to playing with a mean dog to explain the point I made earlier; of course he didn't go into the situation wanting to get tasered, but he must have known that his actions were going to have repercussions.


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You have no notion of this never happening, as it hasn't been reported by anyone. I'd be willing to put money down that he said he was a student.
Again: What? You said he probably didn't know what he was doing and that he wasn't "fucking" with the officers. That implies that you think he wasn't yelling or trying to resist "the man."

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I don't see how you can view this as a normal incident and not an excessive abuse of power. I'd make an equivocation to the Holocaust, but it'd go unheeded.

INTERNET ARGUMENT.
Of course you don't see how I can take the side of the officers or we wouldn't be having this argument; "I don't see how you could not see this as a propor application of police force. I'd make the equivocation to (insert random unrelated terrible history event), but It'd go unheeded."
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WTF? Like how can anyone stand up after being tasered? Is that cop dereft of any brain cells what so ever?

Oh right I know you won't stand up so I'll taser you to ensure you won't...

And whats that other numbskull threatening to taser another student towards the end of the vid for?

moot point but standard requirements are (By Law if I remember right) that if a cop is requested to give his badge number then he/she has to....

That was so wrong in just so many ways - I hope the jerks get jailed but it'll be like the cop over here (We call em Garda btw) that beat the living crap out of a guy on Camera (National news) and even though it can be clearly seen as a brutal and unprovoked attack and there is clear footage of the Gardi in question he still got found Not Guilty! And why?

Because no badge identification or lapel number - even though you can clearly see the jerk on film...

There even allowed to drive at any speed either on or off duty! It's one law for us common folk and another for the jack boot brigade.....


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What? He "couldn't" produce his ID? More like he refused to present his ID. As Rockouthippie already said, he could have just walked away and not stood there screaming about the opressed masses and have not gotten tasered.
Not producing ID is not violent. Refusing to stand up is not violent. Screaming about oppressed masses is not violent. A violent response was not justified.

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yep. the kid deserved a trip to the pokey for being obstinate about not showing his ID. But the tasering was unprofesional. Some of the folks here arguing for the police having the right to do whatever they like to anyone at anytime probably haven't been tasered or beaten up by a cop for no particular reason.

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After you get tased, your nervous system gets hit and your kinda parolized, i imangine after the 3rd tase, it'd be pretty damn hard to stand up.
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Not producing ID is not violent. Refusing to stand up is not violent. Screaming about oppressed masses is not violent. A violent response was not justified.
That doesn't matter. Not following the lawful orders of a police officer is illegal. You may be arrested and if you resist, they are allowed to use non-lethal force to make you move. That would include tazers.

Some guys here have talked about "cops just grabbing the guy". They don't do that anymore. That's because they don't want to get hurt.

Tazers are supposed to be relatively harmless.

Bottom line. If you don't do what a cop told you, you risk getting tazered.

And (well, maybe not in California ) the cop will get a pat on the back for doing a good job.

Hell, they kill people around here and walk away.

Frankly, I don't have a lot of sympathy for this guy. If you feel you are being profiled, you file a complaint, you don't start an altercation with police.

I think it's pretty obvious that this guy was trying to orchestrate this confrontation and then bitch about it.
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Tazers are supposed to be relatively harmless.
I plead the Google.

All these storys are from google search, all include taser deaths:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...1163649626.sto

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mo...l/15977522.htm

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...AG6PKE1AC1.DTL

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...339918455.html

http://www.wltribune.com/portals-cod...d=758662&more=

http://www.summitdaily.com/article/2...NEWS/110180055

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/ne...9-a767c81a96eb
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Yeah.... I know ..... supposed..... Still, I think I'd rather be tazered, than the old fashioned way, which was to club you with a combat baton.
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What would of happend if this guy would of died then?
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