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Website blocks adblock?

I was looking for the boiling point of Calcium nitrate when I came across this website. . .http://environmentalchemistry.com/yo...A0nitrate.html

When you go to it, a page comes up that doesn't let you view the content unless you turn off ad blocking software. how cheap is that?

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Old 4th March 2005, 03:08   #2
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How much ad would an adblock block if an adblock could block ads?

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It's just some cheap JavaScript to set the "display" property of the main content's <div> to "none" when your document's HTML doesn't have specific strings (strings that would be present if you have loaded the ad). If you're using FireFox, you can use EditCSS to force the <div> to be displayed.

AdBlock blocks blocks of ads so ad adds blocks to block AdBlock from blocking ad.

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How much ad would an adblock block if an adblock could block ads?
A lot.


Funny how the site promotes Firefox but denounces what makes it so great, its extensions.

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Old 4th March 2005, 03:19   #5
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Have you tried forging your User Agent string?

AdBlock blocks blocks of ads so ad adds blocks to block AdBlock from blocking ad.
huh?

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Old 4th March 2005, 03:24   #6
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huh?
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/ex...&id=59&vid=617

Modifying the User Agent string allows you to trick websites into thinking you're using another browser, i.e. IE, Netscape, Opera, etc.

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Changing the string didn't work for the site, so that doesn't help much

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Old 4th March 2005, 03:34   #7
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AdBlock blocks blocks of ads so ad adds blocks to block AdBlock from blocking ad.
I actually understood that.
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AdBlock blocks blocks of ads so ad adds blocks to block AdBlock from blocking ad.
Somebody needs to writa an article about this phenomenon, just so that can be the headline.


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You don't even need editCSS.

Load the page with javascript disabled, then select View > Page Style > No Style.
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Old 4th March 2005, 05:30   #11
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it has been discussed, with the sites author to death:

http://aasted.org/adblock/viewtopic.php?t=1470
and
http://computercops******modules.php?...topic&p=216980

there was also a discussion on mozillazine about it, but it died of old age.

The site not only blocks adblock, but also those users who use hosts files, proxymatron, userContent.css or norton internet security.

Basically anything that doesn't display the ads.

It's much to broad to ever be used widely. YOu can all exhale. Blocking adds will always be feasible.


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Old 4th March 2005, 06:23   #12
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I actually stopped using adblock a few weeks ago because now I decide whether a site deserves my eyeballs by how much advertising they have. Any sites that have too much advertising I don't even stay for the page to finish loading.
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AdBlock blocks blocks of ads so ad adds blocks to block AdBlock from blocking ad.
I understood that too I feel logically validated.

Anywho, this isn't so much of a matter of being cheap as it is as being able to operate. Bandwidth is money.

What I don't like though are those sites that disable your right click button even though they stole the images from someone else. If someone really wanted to steal them pics they would easily find a way around it so this only hurts joe schmoe who wants to save the pics or copy some text for rememberance but cant cuz someone is a duche.

But yeah kinda shitty but yeah they also gotta understand that since you use adblock that you probably won't respond to the ads anyway so preventing you from viewing the site does nothing unless its a site with lots of bandwidth requirements.

Then you are stealing!

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Old 4th March 2005, 09:25   #14
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How many ads could an ad-block block if an ad-block could block ads?

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that page in the first post loads fine for me.

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Old 4th March 2005, 20:21   #16
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I understood that too I feel logically validated.

Anywho, this isn't so much of a matter of being cheap as it is as being able to operate. Bandwidth is money.

What I don't like though are those sites that disable your right click button even though they stole the images from someone else. If someone really wanted to steal them pics they would easily find a way around it so this only hurts joe schmoe who wants to save the pics or copy some text for rememberance but cant cuz someone is a duche.

But yeah kinda shitty but yeah they also gotta understand that since you use adblock that you probably won't respond to the ads anyway so preventing you from viewing the site does nothing unless its a site with lots of bandwidth requirements.

Then you are stealing!

But whatever.
I'm not 100% sure but I think I remember there being an extension that would get around disable right click scripts.

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there is, but a right-click-> view page info -> media tab -> save as... will always work.


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Old 4th March 2005, 20:56   #18
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Just remember, you viewing the ads is your payment for viewing the site. Alot of sites consider it theft if you block ads yet view content.

The only thing I advocate is popup blocking. This form of advertising needs to be eliminated.
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wtf. there is a way around this.

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IE you can just use the View-menu, then Source third from the bottom instead of right-clicking

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Just remember, you viewing the ads is your payment for viewing the site. Alot of sites consider it theft if you block ads yet view content.
When watching TV, is it theft to go and make a cup of tea during the commercial breaks? Cause then i'm viewing content but not viewing ads.

Of course not. People have a right to control what they see. If publishers then find that ads arn't bringing the kind of cashflow they need, then market forces are saying that they need to re-evaluate their funding model.

In its simplest form, the western economy is great.
When messed around with by people with vested intrests, it becomes aweful.

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Old 5th March 2005, 00:27   #22
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Yes but at least with TV the ad makes it to the screen. If you deploy an adblocker that is similar to editing out the commercial, which many tv stations are against.

Market determination should be made on fair expsoure. Just as in tv if you ignore an ad it isn't working, same with the internet. This is why some companies pay per click rather then exposure which is how tv ads are paid.
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I don't agree that drawing an analogy in this case helps putting forward an argument, but if you want to do so, at least do it right:

TV ads always get loaded (unless you go to the extreme by turning off the TV). Whether you view it or not (e.g. by walking away or fast-forwarding) is another issue.

If a TV analogy is to be completely comparable to web ads, you are actually arguing for web ads to always get loaded, but it's up to the viewer to look away, or scroll past the ad real quick.

Now, as to why I don't think the TV analogy is appropriate:

The analogy breaks down when you compare the technological nature of the two media. With TVs, there's not much technology to help either side. The customer can't completely shut out the ads without doing something stupid like turning off and on the TV at the right times. The ad provider can't disable the fast-forward button on VCRs (although they have wanted to for years). With the web, both sides have tools to control how they want the ads to be shown (or not shown). The customers are already using these new tools to their own advantage. Do the ad providers have a right to do the same?

I don't think any judgment can be made here. It's neither right nor wrong to do so. I'd say let the viewer and the provider duel it out with their full arsenal.

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I agree, the tv analogy is not really a good one.
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I was able to load that page fine and then use firefox's adblocking extension to block the ad. I reloaded the page again in a new tab and it still loaded fine?

I think that since I pay for my internet access, I have a right to determine what does and does not get downloaded through my connection onto my computer.

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well in that case seeing as they pay for the website and it's connection they should have the right to block you.

/edit, the reason why you don't see them in firefox is because firefox is configured not to display them. I believe that it still downloads the content it just doesn't display the blocked area.
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let them.
I hope eventually their site blocks everyone. I hope they make no money from their ads and they rethink their business model.
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ok so what is the arguement? I could be wrong but I thought the discussion in this thread is that they shouldn't block you when you block ads or that it isn't right that they do. If you believe they should or be allowed to then I certainly agree with you.

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I hope eventually their site blocks everyone. I hope they make no money from their ads and they rethink their business model.
I doubt it. At any rate what do you propose as an alternative? That people pay to access the site? Yea right!
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ok so what is the arguement? I could be wrong but I thought the discussion in this thread is that they shouldn't block you when you block ads or that it isn't right that they do. If you believe they should or be allowed to then I certainly agree with you.
That's fine, if they figure a way to block me when I block their ads, go for it. Once they have blocked most visitors to their site though, they may want to think of something better.

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At any rate what do you propose as an alternative? That people pay to access the site? Yea right!
I don't know, it's not my problem if they're not making money.
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As flawed and useless as your statements are I will not retort.
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It still didn't work when I switched it to simply hide ads in firefox. Fuck.

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