Old 13th March 2005, 13:44   #1
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Dynamic Library v1.0 readme/website

To mods, if this is not the right place (it isn't really development related after all), move it somewhere to where it is. RB, I don't care ;p


So... Jonas has given the green light for others to work on a website and/or a readme. I think a website is a good start, in which we could incorporate a manual which could be used as a readme.txt in a next release.
Priority is:
- setting up a website, doesn't need to be very complicated; it's only one plugin after all. Containing a front page, with screenshot, description, download link, language files link, and readme link
- finding webspace
- creating a readme on the website for DL v1.0. We can make one for v1.1 later

I think the easiest way is to split the readme in different pages, for the window and each tab in prefs. That way you can use screenshots without making the page load slowly.
Different languages could come later.

If you want to help, state clearly what you want to do. I.e. html/css, layout, readme, language, webspace, etc...
Or if you just have ideas, you are welcome to post them.
As said in the other thread, I could do the website and try to arrange webspace. I could write the readme as well if no-one responds

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Old 13th March 2005, 14:46   #2
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siebe...

I see no reason why this shouldn't be here but let me quote partially from your post in the original Dev thread that prompted the creation of this readme/website thread...
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I can do the html/css if needed. Do you have webspace, Jonas, or do we have to find webspace ourselves?
If you don't, I'd recommend Nunzio or inthegray (they have been willing to provide webspace for WA developers in the past (DrO, saivert) and their servers are reliable, no adds, etc.). You don't need to do anything, as long as you give permission to do things
Sorry if it looks as if I'm taking the lead in this. Please everyone make your voice heard if you want to help, do the site, the readme, the webspace, whatever...
I would of course be willing to allocate web space to you or someone else to work on a dev site for Jonas, same as I did for DrO, but it would appear as if Jonas already has webspace available. Now currently he seems to be "sharing" it with Anna, David, Elin, Maja, and Michael but have you asked him yet if you can be included as well, and also have FTP access? That way you can maintain a section for Jonas' plugin development (hopefully in English - LOL).

I'd ask Jonas first. If it turns out that this can not be done, I have no objection to providing space at my server as I did for Darren (and others who I will not mention since they have nothing to do with Winamp ).

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Of course it would be best if Jonas had web space himself. He would have control over it, etc.. I or anyone else don't even need to have FTP access, as long as he is willing to upload stuff himself. Access would be nice of course, but not a 'condition'...
I just mentioned you as an option if Jonas would for whatever reason not have space available.
It would be a bit weird anyway, asking you for web space while you can't even run the plugin

So, we'll just wait what Jonas has to say on this topic

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Old 13th March 2005, 15:15   #4
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I or anyone else don't even need to have FTP access, as long as he is willing to upload stuff himself. Access would be nice of course, but not a 'condition'
Not really siebe. If you or somebody else would be maintaining anything at all, including changes to web pages, that involves uploading those changes so that pages can be "tested" online. Quite often pages can not be tested locally and still be expected to perform/ behave/ display the same as when viewed online (especially if using SSI or CGI). Believe me - I know. I've been creating and uploading websites for awhile now.

So in my view, it would be imperative for whoever the "webmaster" is, to have FTP access. Since Jonas has already indicated that he has no time for this, then whoever does absolutely needs to have that access.

You (or someone else) would be the webmaster. Jonas would be the developer. The webmaster needs server access for uploading, downloading and testing purposes. Makes no difference if it's at Jonas' existing site, or at my server. The webmaster needs server access.

Anyway, wait for Jonas to reply.
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It would be a bit weird anyway, asking you for web space while you can't even run the plugin
Maybe but I'm "banking" on something else Jonas said...
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I guess I could try to include Microsoft Layer for Unicode to make it Windows 9x compatible. I will try this for the 1.0 now..report back later.
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Old 13th March 2005, 16:03   #5
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Working on readme...
Just post this to subscribe to the thread
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Old 13th March 2005, 17:04   #6
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Just posting this here to let people know I already started on some sort of a website. If anyone has comments, or wants to elaborate on it, go ahead. I probably won't have much time to work on it the upcoming days...
It's just a start, the screenshot makes no sense, and I suck at graphics (as you can see with the 'download' pic). This example is rather meant as an example on how I think the site could be structured.
Also, Jonas, if you think something shouldn't be there (eg. contact info, beta, link to thread, whatever), please say so...

(at the top, only home and documentation links actually work)
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File Type: zip dlwebsite.zip (37.2 KB, 1522 views)

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Siebe: looks like a great foundation to build on.

My space where I host the betas are from school. So I don't actually share that space with anyone...it's just in my latest class we had to have a "group homepage" and I hosted it on my account.

I think it would be better if we used some other though since I am not at liberty to share that account with anyone and I guess they would frown upon the usage too...*shrug*

Just give me an account where I can upload the betas and you are quite free to do the rest...

I think you should write about Joonas (me! ) in third-person since I won't be the webmaster. Just make sure that questions about the plugin are directed to me and questions about the homepage are directed to you

This whole thing has really become a joint project so I guess for the 1.1 version the fame and glory (if available) should be shared somewhat.. I stress again, it's not just me making this plugin

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Old 13th March 2005, 19:30   #8
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Siebe: looks like a great foundation to build on.
I agree. Good job siebe

@ Jonas...

Now I see that you have settled this, so I'll host the site. (perhaps you want to be referred to as Joonas at the site and siebe needs to change the pages to reflect that name).

@ siebe...

You've been "designated" webmaster it seems. Now there are a few things that need addressing...
  1. I'm about to add an account/subdomain. What name shall I give it?
  2. I feel it's best to give FTP login access to both you and Jonas. That way you can create directories/sub-directories, upload the site pages, images, scripts, etc. and Jonas will also have the login info to upload beta releases, as he had requested above. Is that okay with the both of you?
  3. The moment I know what name you've decided upon, I will create the account (email me the info to webmaster@nunzioweb.com - don't post it here). Please let me know this ASAP and I'll send you both the FTP login info immediately. For now I will not publicly reveal the location, nor should either of you, until all the pages have been completed to a degree that you feel is okay for public viewing. This can of course also include jojo 544's "readme" contributions, which I assume will be added to the existing "Documentation" index.html page.
  4. Jonas can begin to upload betas immediately to a directory/directories that either of you can create, or that siebe can create and then let Jonas know what directory/directories he should upload the betas to, so that siebe can gear links at the pages for the beta releases to that/those directory/directories. Siebe can immediately upload what he has now and continue uploading and making changes until he is satisfied that it is ready for public viewing. At that time I'll actually assign a separate domain name for the site and you can release it to the public.
Okay guys, that's it. Please supply me with the requested info.

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Old 13th March 2005, 20:39   #9
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@ siebe...

I just want you to know that the site will support SSI (server side includes), so if you want to use SSI for repetetive info such as menus, headers, footers, etc, you will need to create your site pages with .shtml extensions. Using SSI calls/directives within files with .htm or .html extensions will not work.

Example: right now you have this as a temp-footer...
Optionally some remarks, copyright, contact info to be included in every page

Whatever is to be repeated on pages through SSI calls (eg: <!--#include virtual="menu.html" --> or <!--#include virtual="footer.html" -->) will need to be inserted into pages with .shtml extensions. The same holds true for the temp-header you have now of...

Dynamic Library
by Jonas Sandman

The above can be called for wherever needed on an .shtml page by first including the "content" within a file named to perhaps "header.html" or "header.txt" and then inserting it into an .shtml page wherever you want to the header to appear using this SSI include call/directive...

<!--#include virtual="header.html" -->
Or optionally...
<!--#include virtual="header.txt" -->
Either of the above includes will work similarly.

If you are unfamiliar with SSI and you need to know anything, I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have. I use SSI extensively at my site.

Details re: SSI can be found at BigNoseBird.com.

So, you may want to rename your current pages (index or otherwise) from .html to .shtml instead. I'm letting you know this before you get too heavily into it.

[EDIT]
I never mentioned to Darren that he can use SSI too. I hope he doesn't get pissed off now that I've told you and I never told him. Probably too late now for him to go through and change all his pages. LOL.
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Old 13th March 2005, 20:43   #10
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oh gosh, i was just looking at the readme i wrote for one of the DL versions before jonas started assigning them numbers. just writing this to subscribe as well.
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Old 14th March 2005, 13:38   #11
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Nunzio, thanks alot for offering your help! We surely appreciate it
We'll let you know asap what the account name will be. Well, I already pm'ed you about it, but just so others know what's going on

Billy, is what you have still relevant and usable? Or is it outdated?
We surely could use your help. Be it only because as of now no-one is into the 'project' whose native language is English . Only if you want and have the time for it, of course...

Maybe we should split up the readme and assign different sections to different people so it doesn't come down to one person. We could also read each other's work and comment.
Jojo already made a structure for the readme.txt. Contents could be used on the site and in the readme.txt.

Also, since I've now been 'designated' webmaster, doesn't mean that if others are better with html or layout can't help.
Anyone good at graphics, btw?

Everyone who helps will be mentioned on the website (and readme, if relevant), of course...

Also, suggestions are always welcome.

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Hey siebe...

Just read your PM and then came here instead of replying to it. I'll wait for Jonas to PM me as you had asked. I also "reminded" him here.

Insofar as your concern about "keeping the address away from the public" since you'd like to give others the opportunity to suggest things, etc. as well, then sure... you can make it public. That's your decision. I was only suggesting that so that people wouldn't stumble upon a "work in progress". But sure, go ahead and make it public immediately, since they'll also be contributing to that work in progress. Makes sense now that I think about it.

And yes, SSI is a "nifty feature" (in your words - LOL) for the site. It saves lots of time typing and repeating the same thing on several pages. Kinda like an external global CSS file, but using SSI calls/includes instead.

Anyway, as soon as Jonas provides the name he wants, I'll set up the account and send you guys your login info.
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yeah i would be glad to do the readme. If not at least reread/cleanup what jojo has done.

and no, my readme is outdated, it is pre tabs-in-the-preferences
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Copy of email sent to both siebe and Jonas, with FTP login info asterisked out of course...
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Okay.. all set up.
I've changed all .html extensions to .shtml instead just in case SSI will be used. I uploaded existing temp pages, as well as a few other temp pages I created so that all links will work and not generate 404 error pages.

Site is online and immediately available for viewing at this address...
http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/

I will supply an actual subdomain name in a day or two, so that nunzioweb.com is not indicated in the URL, but both addresses can of course be used.

Here is your FTP login info, don't lose it...

Account name: ******
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Password: ******

You can begin uploading immediately.

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Old 14th March 2005, 16:07   #15
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yeah i would be glad to do the readme. If not at least reread/cleanup what jojo has done.
To prevent that maybe just wait a day or so, i just saw the site is on , so as soon as i got translated what i have maybe Siebe can put it on line. Maybe he can also do (part), of the translation, Siebe? Just let me know. I think tomorow things will be more clear. Any help from there on is welcome.
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i just saw the site is on
Yes. It's immediately available for viewing here > http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/

@ siebe...

I created new folders to contain the pages that your existing HTML referenced. I've made the link to the Dynamic Library Discussion Thread on the main page open in a new window rather than taking you away from the site (as was happening). I've changed the file extension of your PNG file from uppercase .PNG to lowercase .png (as it should be) and also reflected the same change in the HTML. I've uploaded the Full version of Dynamic Library v1.0 so it is downloadable, changing the name to match the existing file name (Dynamic_Library_v1.0.exe), and not what you initially had (Dynamic_Library.exe), etc, etc, other changes, etc, etc.

Anyway, because of the changes I made, dump what you have now (the files you included in your ZIP file in your 3rd post in this thread) and then FTP in to the server and download all the .shtml files I've uploaded to replace them, as well as the renamed PNG file.

When uploading via FTP, will you be using WS_FTP?

Regardless, follow this procedure...

Any and all files that are not "text-based" or "editable" via a text editor need to always be uploaded via Binary mode (eg: sound or music files, image files, zip or executable files, etc). Any and all files that are "text-based" or "editable" via a text editor need to always be uploaded via ASCII mode (eg: HTML or SHTML files, .pls or .m3u playlist files, CGI or PHP files, other text-based files, etc). You should never ever use the "Auto" mode of transfer in WS_FTP when uploading any files to your server. That option actually shouldn't have even been included in WS_FTP as far as I'm concerned. It's handy but causes more problems than it's worth, including corruption of files.
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Old 14th March 2005, 17:34   #17
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Thanks for fixing the mess I left there, Nunzio
I had put it all together quickly and didn't really pay attention to details...

I will do as you say and upload files via the correct mode.

Jojo, I can do part of the translation yes. I'll have to see how much time it takes, not sure when it'll be ready. Then billy could read it and fix any errors, and maybe also write any missing or extra parts. If that's ok with you billyvnilly?
As I view it, the different versions of the readme don't need to be exactly the same. It would be nice of course, but I don't think easily to be realized. I'm not even sure if there will be any other non-English languages than Dutch.
The English version is most important at the moment, I think. So I'll make a global translation of jojo's readme and then others could work on that.
In the meantime I will continue working on the site. I think I'll also make a temp page for 'work in progress' on the readme/documentation.

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whatever, anything is fine by me.
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@ siebe...

Received your PM and responded.
My bad! The UserID was wrong. I straightened it out for you in the PM.

Also, upload that text file I mentioned so that I know that both you and Jonas are able to log in.

Sorry siebe. My bad.
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Old 15th March 2005, 06:46   #20
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All working fine here now Nunzio
No problem at all, things happen

@billy: great!

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@ Siebe and Jonas...

Glad all is working now. I see you successfully logged in and I also read the text file so you can delete it from the server now if you wish.

Okay. Everything is set up now...

Subdomain set up at http://joonas.ne1.net
Alternate address of http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/ can be used as well if you like.

I'm out of it now. The ball is your court. If you need any help re: SSI you can visit BigNoseBird.com or you can always ask me.

P.S.

@ Jonas...
It would be cool if you can get DL to work with Win95 and 98. I feel completely left out.
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Old 15th March 2005, 11:34   #22
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It would be cool if you can get DL to work with Win95 and 98. I feel completely left out.
Unfortunately only half of that will be possible.

See this post
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Ahhh well
At least you tried and thanks for that!
I'll just have to suffer with this old Win95 box I'm on without your great plugin.

Also, if you like, you can change your sig links now, so that you can remove the files from your school account and use your new subdomain instead.

Dynamic Library v1.0 Full version in your sig can now be linked to the file I already uploaded for you here > http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/Dynamic_Library_v1.0.exe

Login to your new site server and upload the Dynamic Library v1.1 Beta gen_dl.dll that is currently referenced at the school site, and you can then change your sig accordingly.

Thanks for trying with Win95, Jonas. I appreciate the fact that you did what you could.

@ siebe...

You might consider replacing the existing screenshot with one that displays in English. Perhaps you can use this image instead, which is already in use on the DL plugin page at Winamp.com.
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Nunzio, those SSI calls are great
Works like a charm...

I replaced the screenshot, the previous one didn't make sense of course (just a test pic). I'm now putting some content into the site, layout I will work on later. If someone thinks I'm forgetting something, let me know...

Nunzio...
I referred to your site in the footer. Are you ok with that in this way?


Info on the readme later tonight...

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Ok, sorry for the double-post... (but I do want certain people to receive a reply notification )

http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/document...eadmestart.doc
Made by jojo, edited by me, edited by jojo, etc... Mainly jojo's work.
If anyone has time to have a look at it and correct mistakes, add useful info, provide better explanations, etc. that'd be great.
I'll also put a link to this on the documentation page.

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i will once over it, and fix the mistakes/ fill the gaps. Is it alright if i return it as an html...

siebe check PM. everything but menus.... and also search file for "ummm"

lemme know what you think. I can finish it tomorrow. I also was intending to make it a framed html, so the content would be the left side. included some pics

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Nunzio, those SSI calls are great
Works like a charm...

...I referred to your site in the footer. Are you ok with that in this way?
Yep. SSI is great. That's why I suggested it. And referencing my site is fine.
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i will once over it, and fix the mistakes/ fill the gaps. Is it alright if i return it as an html...

...I also was intending to make it a framed html, so the content would be the left side.
@ siebe...

In reference to the above, IMHO jojo's work should not be offered for download as a Microsoft Word document - not even temporarily. Many people do not have Word installed, but instead have Microsoft Works or WordPerfect (this includes people who have purchased brand new puters).

So, even though Billy will be creating an HTML version, until that happens, I suggest opening the existing Word Doc offered for download here and resaving "as HTML" (in Microsoft Word). Then offer that for download instead. Even though it will still be rough and require work (eg: by Billy), everybody can view an HTML document, but not everybody has MS Word.

Just my 2 cents worth. I'll butt out now.
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Heh, yeah I took the link down from the site. I don't see a problem with linking to a .doc file here (in this thread) though, since only people involved in making the readme/website should come here. If others decide to use unfinished stuff as documentation, that's their problem. I just shouldn't have put it on the site, I think
(as for the MS Word generated .html files; please nooo!!!!
Ever looked at the source of those files? )


I had a conversation about the Word document with jojo earlier, I'm not a supporter of having the readme in a .doc file. I'd prefer a .txt file or just bundling the whole .html readme with the installer. But I think we can decide on that later, content is more important atm. Also, the website version has priority imho, since that one can be 'released' sooner (no-one knows when a next stable release will come out).

Billy, looks good. Some points to consider, I think...

I think jojo's order of 'Function' (or 'Operating DL' in your version) is better. I'd personnally do:
A. Getting started
B. Terminology (since that's kinda introducing and bit useless at the end)
C. DL Window (since that's the first thing people see when loading DL; including search bar and columns)
D. Menus in DL (idem; maybe even make it a part of C. DL Window?)
E. Preferences & Settings
F. Hotkeys (kinda advanced, for the DL diehards )
See what you think...

More shortcuts...
Alt+S is shortcut to focus search bar; Ctrl+A is select all; Alt+D is toggle DL


I dunno about frames. Don't really like them, but they can be useful sometimes, I agree. But I don't see a problem with just including the pics in the text. Eg.
<img src="blahblah.jpg" width="355" height="240" border="0" align="right" vspace="20" hspace="20">
Or if it's a large pic, give it a line on its own.


At this point I'm trying to choose between these ways of structuring:
* A string like this at the top of each page, containing links to higher levels...
Dynamic Library > Operating DL > Preferences & Settings > Display
* Just include the full menu in every page (well, without the a,b,c's I think)
* Frames
(not necessarily 'choose' btw; some could be combined)

The reason I don't like frames is that you can't easily link to a specific page from outside the website. But if it turns out to be the best option, we'll do frames

Mmh, didn't really look at the ummm's yet... Will do so later, but now I want to hit reply.


[edit]
"NOTE: the clear cache button clears ALL CACHE, and not just the currently selected folder."
Is this actually true? I thought it cleared the cache from the selected root only...

[edit2]
As for the screenshots, as far as I can gather at this point, the only 'big' screenshots will be the ones of the prefs pages? If so, is it really useful to make frames for them? Small pics would be better included in the text, I think.
Also keep in mind that frames can look great at a high resolution, but some people are still using 800x600 (yeah they exist ). Normal pages are often more flexible. Heh, it looks as if I'm really advocating a no-frames site now, while I haven't even seen yet what you had in mind. Let me know what you think..

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[edit]"NOTE: the clear cache button clears ALL CACHE, and not just the currently selected folder."
Is this actually true? I thought it cleared the cache from the selected root only...
I guesse it has been like that x versions ago.
My mistake Please remove that note.

I'm very curious what Billy made, as i can tell from your post it looks very promising. Can you link it to this page or something? i have made a few adjustmens / adds myself, but i don't want to put them in my (outdated) version. I'd rather go from Billy's update or else we keep crossing each other's work.
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I'm very curious what Billy made, as i can tell from your post it looks very promising.
Billy already PM'd me and I downloaded what he's done. I feel it's very good and I think it's very well structured and thought-out as it is now, regardless of the fact that he used FrontPage. The important thing when creating web pages is to test it with all major browsers, and not just IE, so that you can see that it displays the same in all. I checked what Billy did in a few browsers and with the stylesheet in place it displays fine, cross-browser.

I told him to reference the existing stylesheet (same as used at the site) in the code, and to place it just prior to the ending </head> tag that is in his dlwalkthrough.htm page like so...

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="layout.css">

But I also asked him to make use of this thread because that's what this thread is here for... for siebe, jojo, billy, and other people's input. This thread is the "working" thread for the site.

Billy wants frames, but I also advised against that and said if anything, to use inline frames. But I think what he did is fine without either.

@ Billy...

Are ya gonna post the link to your ZIP file here? LOL.
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Well, the problem is the version I have is probably not the most current. He said he'd probably work on it today to finish it, so I dunno if it's uptodate. Besides, I don't like to link to/publish the work of someone else if the author didn't explicitly give permission to do so. This is why I keep asking you to just post links / attach stuff here, instead of sending it to me
Also I think both your versions have their good points so I think a bit interaction would be nice too

[edit]
Heh, slow typing; Nunzio posted while I was typing

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Siebe...

Yes. And I feel that this is the "working" thread. Things should be posted here for review, download and revision IMHO.

LOL. I shouldn't even be involved in this.
I can't even install Dynamic Library. I'm just hosting the site. Methinks I might unsubscribe from this thread.
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This is why I keep asking you to just post links / attach stuff here, instead of sending it to me
OK, I'll do so
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No problem jojo. I think it's good you took the time to set up a structure etc. (I mean, you need something to work on ), but I think at this stage a bit more interaction would be nice.

btw, updated site a bit (contact page), let me know if you have comments
[edit]yeah, layout sucks, will come... [/edit]

@Nunzio:
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We value your input, but if you feel it's taking you too much time, just leave it. If there rise any questions related to the site or html stuff and we can't figure it out ourselves, I might drop a pm though

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oops..sorry, it was late when i finished it and i thought that i had posted link earlier when i PMed siebe. @siebe i added some to it, but that was before i read your suggestions. yes and i finally agree with you guys about the frame...no frame!

WIP walkthrough: http://w.web.umkc.edu/wrpnqb/DL_help.zip

@Nunz its only cuz youre so good with html!
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If you guys need any HTML, DHTML, SSI, Javascript, CGI, etc help then of course I'll help (time permitted).
But it seems kinda goofy for me to subscribe to a thread that focuses on a website for a plugin I can't even use. LOL.

Alright... I'll remain subscribed to this thread.
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updated file:

*jojo's order of 'Function' (or 'Operating DL' in your version) is better. --I did switch it back. I think when i created it, this flowed better for me, but yes, this way is easier for TEH NOOB
*updated pics, i hope the zip is a little smaller now.
*fixed the "all cache" line

http://w.web.umkc.edu/wrpnqb/DL_help.zip

@jojo, sorry for not posting my work earlier, i sent it to only siebe last night, my bad.

@siebe, yes, small parts on webpage. (also it was probably my fault for starting that double convo, i did the same thing with nunz...ummm, lol, sorry guys.)

what does everyone else think about having it in more pages instead of one long one?

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Billyvnilly,
I just had a quick view at your changes to the readme.
It realy looks great !
I leave it up to Siebe to make a combination of the best parts of both versions.
Just a few remarks i made be reading the first time:
At terminology:The actual structure of the your folders
By the searchbar i would somehow note that its an easy way to search ALL files of ALL roots
Goto folder: in a.ricghtclick treeview (searchmode) it is ok
I would make it the same in c.rightclick listview file
By collumns somehow mention that order of collumns can be changed
Lightning bolt: not only ML can conflict, there are other plugins also using this
The auto repeat sentence is repeated under 'note'
For 'Display files and playlists that originate..' option i had 'should be obvious', seems is not that obvious
I know what it does, ill try to refrase that later (same goos for drag 'n drop)
Some of the changes i recently made you already put in, Lol
The others i'll also post later, i have to go now,
btw: realy looks nice with the screenshots
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Latest updates for the readme:

(the changes i made before that already are done by billyvnilly:
-Treeview is DEFAULT Left
-Listview is DEFAULT Right
-Rightclick somewhere in the window pane you get the root management menu cut out, when you click on a root you get the full menu.)

Here the rest of the changes i made:

-New double click feature, has changed again, so it has to be redone again also
-Treeview position, Here you can switch posittions of tree and listview (only v1.1)
-Playlist options moved to a separate tab, (some new options are now added, needs more work)
-Shortcuts:
Alt+G has 2:
Alt+G: Goto folder (search mode treeview, folders)
Alt+G: Goto playlist (search mode treeview, playlists)
Ctrl+G has 2:
Ctrl+G: Goto folder (listview)
Ctrl+G: Goto Playlist (playlist or searchmode listview)
Del has 3:
Del: Delete folder (treeview)
Del: Delete file from playlist (playlist listview)
Del: remove selected (searchbar)

'Display files and playlists that originate..' option
does realy what it sais, however when i made a playlist containing files that are residing in maps that don't exist in the DL tree, the files are not showed

Drag 'n drop:
1) to tree folder: moves or copy's the files to that root
2) to another window (explorer map) DL makes a playlist of the selected files and stores it in that map

For the preferences readme i would try to follow the order as they appear in the preferences tabs.
But that's just me

edit; I have no problem with a 'work in progress' doc on the website, as a mather a fact it would be good to have some place to view the current state of the readme file.
Everything i do can be used, changed, published without asking if you think it's usefull.
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just to clarify, is this readme for v1.0 or are we keeping it updated with what joonas does?

if so, where to we draw the line, otherwise we might as well wait till v1.1 is done done done.

[edit]ill be out for about 8hrs or so...yeah im fine with keeping it updated, just alot of stuff has already changed, and there is no telling how much more will change.
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