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Old 27th May 2005, 18:30   #41
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Rova, use these instead. Will have one more soon. SM
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Old 4th June 2005, 19:41   #42
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We're getting ready for another significant release of Winamp. Please gather your Milkdrop submissions as soon as possible and post here to this thread. A max of 6 submissions will be taken for each author. 3 max for teams. This means author a and b can each do 6, and can do 3 together.

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Old 4th June 2005, 22:10   #43
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okay, i really have to speak up on this because I have some serious issues here that everyone here will agree on.

Currently milkdrop in winamp 5 comes with 400+ presets, the majority of them are ANCIENTt. If we only each get to put in some 6-9 presets, [so total we're only taking about maybe 50-60 additions]... NO ONE will ever see them.

There is nothing in the existing MD bundle that is newer than 2 yrs old. The majority of the existing presets don't use any of the newer features [shapes, custom waveforms] and pale in comparison to new stuff. Aside from people who post/lurk on this forum, EVERYONE I've ever mentioned milkdrop to [who already knew about it] has the same "oh that cheesy thing" reaction [we've lost multiple gigs to do visuals for a party because of it]. Because they see presets that were written years ago for Geforce 2's running at 320x240 resolution, they have NO idea what MD is really capable of.

6 presets per author basically denies everyone here the chance to show their work. There are authors who haven't created a new preset or posted in this forum in years and have 20, 30, 50+ presets already in MD.

Seriously, if we want Milkdrop in this day and age to get respect, it's going to take more than this measly number of additions. Everyone that I personally show milkdrop to and show them the new hot stuff is impressed, but I can't personally show it to everyone out there.

What we really need to do is eliminate most of the presets that are already bundled [they have been download god knows how many times already], save the hottest, still modern looking stuff [cerebral demons, Geiss's fractal shape presets come to mind]. And put in AT LEAST 200 new presets. For those people that are interested enough in MD to view the history of presets they can always download them from Rovastar's site. [in my opinion i think we should just ship MD with only new presets].

Phat, myself, and other authors have put an uncountable number of hours and passion into MD and 6-9 presets sucks. There are several times past where new presets were supposed to go in, and many of us submitted them for such, but they were never added. Apologies if I come of pretty strong here but I couldn't feel more strongly about this, and I doubt any of the authors here would disagree.

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P.S. we are DEAD serious that we cannot get visualization gigs because people hear the word "milkdrop" and won't even take a look at our stuff, instead having someone do cheeseball "video editing" with a $50 radio shack video mixer and two dvd players.
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Old 4th June 2005, 22:19   #44
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Seriously everyone that we say the name Milkdrop to that knows visuals says something like...
"Milkdrop, isn't that the dated winamp plugin?"

We've had to tell people we use proprietary software, and they belive it when we show them new presets. Because honestly they look so much better it looks like the software has been upgraded.

Guess why? It has, hardly any of the currently bundled presets use any of the advantages of Shapes or Custom Waveforms, let alone real time 3d.

We should have had presets bundled with the last update, but that never happend.

Are you trying to make this software look like it is still 5 years old?
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Old 5th June 2005, 02:12   #45
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Tag here is my 6. Regarding the other authors. Phat and Eo.S should get to post the most because they made the most then yin, shifter, redi jedi a few less. I am happy with 6, but Eo.S should have at least 50 and the other's something like 25 and for the author's that don't see this in time some already have post here, but once again they are older, but it they don't post in time use the one's they have already posted. I am not sure how many you will put in the install of winamp but I think something like I have said here should not take up to much space if you remove most the other's already there. I am not a person to regulate so disregard this if you do not like my opinion, but I think something like this is fair. I am fine with just these 6 so I am finished. Now you just have to deal with the other's. Regarding Rovastar, Zylot, Unchained and Krash I do not know. Also disregard my other post in here because this is the 6 I want. SM
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Old 5th June 2005, 02:54   #46
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Studio, those numbers are fine by me....

How about we just delete the 200 oldest/weakest presets from what is currently bundled, and add in a combined 200 from the current lot of MD authors. I'll even volunteer to weed through the bundled presets to clean out the gutters.

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Old 5th June 2005, 03:03   #47
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Eo.S That is fine just leave some of Aderassi's and Unchained's and Rova's. By the way I forgot to mention some people like fishbrain and mstress and if I left anyone else out I am sorry it is not intentional. Also Eo.S forgot to mention that most the new presets are bigger in size than most the old one's because they have more code. In other words 100 of the old might take up as much space as same something like 70 of the new ones. SM
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Old 5th June 2005, 11:51   #48
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I'd agree with eo.s on this, 6 presets from each author is pretty minimal, particularly given that the hundreds which come with winamp are in desperate need of some culling

there's some good stuff in there tho, so trim the fat but i wouldn't say get rid of them all
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Old 5th June 2005, 22:11   #49
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Yes, we need to know which ones you reckon should be removed from the current package, and we also need you to post the ones you hope to be included here.

I'll leave the rest to Tag...
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Old 5th June 2005, 23:51   #50
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flames? No one here is flaming anyone, we just want all the hardwork that has been put into presets over the last two years to actually get seen [don't forget there have already been a few times past where new submissions were supposed to be added, and never were].

And as for tons of submissions, there's only about 8 people [if that] that even post presets in this forum at all. You only just posted for new submissions yesterday [6-04-05].

Eo.S. - sorry for actually caring about the art of MD and all the other authors in this forum...
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Old 6th June 2005, 00:04   #51
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"My hope was that there would be TONS of submissions, so far we got ONE (thanks studio).

But after thinking about this, and seeing the reaction from the community and the flames. Lets just forget the whole thing.

Thanks for your time."

TONS of submissions, take the time to read the posts here, there are like 5 active authers.

We've submitted presets before and nothing has happend. 6 presets is not anything, but if you want them, here are my 6.

I can't belive after 2 years of work 6 presets is all I am worth.

This is directly the reason why Milkdrop look out dated. Milkdrop has the capacity to look so much better then it does curently, and does on OUR COMPUTERS.

You have to understand with about 5 active users, 5*6= 30 presets. There are currently over 400 old presets in Milkdrop, that means the last 2 years is represented maybe once or twice for a few seconds of every hour that people watch the program.

Please, we are not flameing you. This is a valid concern.

Since you're an admin you should try to be a little less petty here and realize that 6 presets between the max or 8 authers you are going to get to reply is in no way proportional to the length of time since you have updated the presets. At all.

O btw, that whole I don't like a few people's responces so I'm going to punish the rest of you is the way 40 year old house wives opperate.
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Old 6th June 2005, 00:11   #52
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Here are my six, and 3 that are for me and Eo.S.

Furthering our titles as some of the most underrated artist in our day.
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Old 6th June 2005, 00:14   #53
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These are me and Eo.S's 3 together.

You do know these are just text files, and take up virtually no space right?
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Old 6th June 2005, 01:17   #54
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Old 6th June 2005, 03:25   #55
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Your welcome Tag. Everyone just post six presets so we can get some new stuff in winamp. Tag I hope you put the stuff we post in. SM
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Old 6th June 2005, 03:33   #56
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Well, I can't speak for Tag, but eg. if you've already got x amount of presets included with the current default distro, then maybe if you said 'remove these 10 old ones of mine (list) and add these 10 new ones'... (where 10 is a variable)

I guess the 6/9 limitation mainly applies to everyone else.

Though please wait for Tag's confirmation/final word on this issue, as he is the authority here, whereas I'm just using my initiative and making suggestions, heh ;-)

For now, just keep posting your presets please.
Note: Only the presets posted in THIS thread will be considered.
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Old 6th June 2005, 03:41   #57
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Eo.S if it is alright with tag you can take out one of my Unchained remixes and put in one of your new repeater presets. Your choice of which one of the remixes you want to replace with one of the repeaters. I think I like psychic the best. Just name the one so I can make a new pack of 5. SM
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Old 6th June 2005, 04:11   #58
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Egg... the thing is, we dont' have ANY presets in the existing winamp, so there aren't 10 to replace. The last time there was opportunity to submit new presets [a year ago], we did, and nothing evfer came of it. I don't understand why Tag thinks that there is any flaming going on here at all, we're only bring up the very real issue that most people do not respect milkdrop, because the majority of the bundled presets don't even look as good as current windows media player visualizations.
We've already been denied getting presets in once. There's people who don't even post here that have 20 or 30 presets from milkdrop 1.1. I could see 6 per person if there 30 or 40 people that were going to submit presets, but there's not. If i have to, i'll be the one to go through the bundled 426 and delete the old stuff myself to make room for the cutting edge stuff that should be in there.
Fact of the matter, presets that looked hot in 2002 on a 320x240 screen at the lowest mesh size are not impressive by any of today's standards.

Thanks Studio, though repeater 14-definitive is in my list. Why don't you just replace one of the presets in yours with your favorite one of mine.

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Old 6th June 2005, 04:21   #59
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Eo.s I just hope Tag puts the 6 everyone post in. And one of my favs of yours in Technicolor, I will let you pick the one of those you want. Or the psychic one. Your pick. Shifter, Yin post 6 presets. SM
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I have seen some Tag post here, but now there gone? SM
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I made a mistake in limiting the presets count. I had wrongly assumed that there would be 1000's of submissions, and we'ed be forced to wade through them. But since there's as you say 8 authors and not the 100 i thought there where, then I guess we'll make it a free for all.

Sound good? Can we stop ranting and upload the presets and put my mistake behind us?

Thanks.

ps: Here's a remix I did of someone's YIN remix. How do you guys keep track of all this stuff?

100 authors * 6 presets == 600 presets (bad math tag, BAD MATH)



SM: Re-submit your presets zip above, i screwed up and blasted yours.
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Old 6th June 2005, 05:03   #62
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Very good for your first preset Tag, I like the beat. Since you changed the amount here are 8 I want instead of 6. Everybody don't post to many so we get them all in. Tag, don't worry I am sure everyone will post good stuff. Remember everyone has there own taste so it is good to leave them all. As long as they don't post to many. By the way I have checked them all and there is no bugs. I told redi to fix his little bugs a while back and he did. SM
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Tag sorry to bother you, but I have one question. How long do the authors have to get there presets in here to make it to the new winamp? SM
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mmk, well this is 19 of mine.. plus one remix. If that's excessive, i guess i can trim more?

there's a couple of ppl we might have to post on behalf of if they don't drop by? Tag, would that be a problem?
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I've aleady been going though Adderasi and Peter P, baked, Ishan and a few others.
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shifter: Sounds good to me. Keep the presets coming. If we can get over 400, we'll just replace the entire set with this new batch.

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Old 7th June 2005, 02:54   #68
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wow, looks like i shoulda skiped out on work today
if its presets you want, its presets you'll get, if nothing else, well just post presets from the past we like to get to 400+!
i'll start shifting through all mine, prolly do a little updating/remixing since i have some time

oh quick question, are you guys gonna go throuhg and set ratings? or should we just do it before we post?
(btw, i like the idea of eos/phat going through the list, if theres one thing i've learned about them in my short time here, it is they have really good taste)

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To be honest. I think the ratings should be leveled and let the end user actually pick a rating (since after all its their choice). Thoughts?

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Going through that many presets and widdling them down is haaaard. If need be I guess we can widdle these down farther...

A lot of these involve other authors from the board as well. Here's a link to the file on my server, as 232 presets is too big to attach here.....

lots of presets

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Yea, level 'em off, we want there favorates comming up more often.

I think everyone will agree on that.

Should we level them all at 1, because at 0 I don't think they show up anymore.

Is there a tool to do this or will it have to be done manually?
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Whooo it has all gone off here hasn't it.

Personaly I think we should keep many (70%?) of the old ones.

Just replacing with newer ones isn't always best.

The new breed of authors should have obvioulsy more of a say on it as they are not represented atm. Maybe Phat/Eos can have 40-50 presets.

It is hard to make the selections smaller.

All rating should be set the same at the average setting. It is just egotistical to set your presets higher. 3 is average rating I think.

So go through your rating first authors before posting.

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Old 7th June 2005, 19:19   #73
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Ok, this should be it for me. 9 presets with all the ratings at 3. Also delete all my old ones. SM
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rate them 3?

Cool.

I think most of me and Eo.S's presets are at a 5 or a 0, just depends on what was the 'seed' preset, cuz we haven't tuched the rateing system in years.

I think most all of Geiss's stuff should be pitched. I mean windows media player has some better stuff. (I'm really not trying to be offencive here, it's the truth) Honistly I really think that some of Rovastar Krash and Zylot's and Unchaned stuff is really worth keeping. Most of that stuff just looks so dated. (I mean alot of those presets are really like 3 or 4 years old, and EVERYONE has already seen a spectrograph with a 1.01 zoom)

I'm going to go though Adderasi and Peter P soon if they don't speak up. (I'm afrade there not going to get in there otherwise.)
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Old 8th June 2005, 02:43   #76
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well, most of Geiss's old MD 1.1 stuff should go. The fractal shapes stuff is still hot, though probably don't need to keep all some 30 versions.

but... all of thoseold ones have already been downloaded some several million times

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heres the ones i have now, weeded through them, took out slow/crappy ones and some of the remixes, then checked them all for errors, and remixed a few. think theres 25.

most likly there will be more
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I know two I forgot Rozzer and Illusion at least one by Illusion needs to be included and a few by Rozzer if she don't come back. Redi, I like the pack. SM
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Here is something I have chosen.

19 Presets

It is not easy to decide...
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http://www.eos4life.com/milkdrop/Eo....submit-119.zip

So this is a much more slimmed down list of presets for the next release, 119 instead of 230+. These have all been edited to compensate for fps, so people with way faster, or way slower machines see essentially the same thing [and so they still look right on PCs in 3 yrs].

As for anyone else concerned about this for their own presets. If you have any code that looks like this...

vol = (bass+mid+treb)*0.33;
musictime = musictime + vol;

the rate at which 'musictime' changes is affected by framerate. If you edit the 2nd line to...

musictime = musictime + vol * (75/fps);

You can compensate for framerate. Set the '75' in this example to whatever the framerate of the preset on your own computer is when it looks correct to you [i.e. if it runs 30fps on your box, and that's how it should look, the code should be '*(30/fps)'].

If you use the copy and paste function it's really easy to add this change to a lot of presets [i just did 100 of them in 30 minutes].

The presets in this pack supersede the previous one, so disregard the previous link to a .zip file.

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