Old 28th June 2006, 05:41   #1
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Why do people use leet speech?

I want to know why people use leet speech. This practice does not make them look cool nor gives them instant respect from the community. It actully makes them look more idiotic, and the rest of the community would show less respect to these people. Plus, it is a pain to decipher leet speech.

Oh, one more thing, what i said is not a flame to those who use any leet speech, it is just a question from a confused person.

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Old 28th June 2006, 05:49   #2
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It's a dialect/jargon, people have been using them since the birth of language.
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Old 28th June 2006, 06:05   #3
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lol, j00 r a n00b 1f |_| don7 7h1nk 1337-sp33k 15 teh cool.

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Being English, I would prefer to read correct English. I hate having to decipher posts on forums (luckily not often on this one) where people type all in caps and abbreviate even the smallest words.
"OMG UR SO KEWL LOL!" Gah, it makes me physically cringe. Unfortunately the human race is lazy and will do almost anything to have the chance to do nothing. I mean, how hard is it to type 'you' instead of 'u'?
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i am aware of what leet is, and i do think it is cool, but what gets me is that some people use it when it is not the common langauge/dialect in the community. Also, i don't get why people low on the ladder use leet when the people higher up don't use it.

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Old 28th June 2006, 06:10   #6
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What's scary is when I find myself speaking in 1337 in real life among my friends, and we all just as easily understand it as if we we're speaking in plain english.

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Unfortunately the human race is lazy and will do almost anything to have the chance to do nothing. I mean, how hard is it to type 'you' instead of 'u'?
I wish it were that simple. have you ever tried to type a text message in 1337 5p34k??? For me at least, it takes FAR more effort just to figure out how to type it, than using proper English would...

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Old 28th June 2006, 09:20   #10
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Old 28th June 2006, 10:14   #11
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Things like "pr0n" were originally used to hide stuff from automated systems, I think. I'm not sure if the whole l33t thing stemmed from there though.

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Old 28th June 2006, 10:28   #12
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I just figured p0rn was a funny way to spell the word. . .

I think the only people that still use leet are 7 year olds, and people on Yahoo chat (I refuse to enter one of those chat rooms ever again).

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Leet is no longer used by the elite of the Internet. We all now try to use proper English with correct spelling, punctuation and grammar. I will admit that I'm not perfect but I do make an effort to be legible. I do how ever say "pr0n" though as I like the way it looks. Forums are one of the places where "133+" and "txt" shorthand do not belong.

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Old 28th June 2006, 15:05   #14
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Leet is no longer used by the elite of the Internet.
It never was.

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Old 28th June 2006, 15:23   #15
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1337 sp34k is funny. As long as it isnt used to construct complete sentences

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Old 28th June 2006, 18:51   #16
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how hard is it to type 'you' instead of 'u'?
obviously it's at least 3 times as hard.
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Old 28th June 2006, 18:57   #17
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obviously it's at least 3 times as hard.
Actually, because "you" is a common trigraph in English, "you" is not much harder to type than "u" (probably about 1.5X harder or so if you're used to both, actually significantly easier if you're used to doing it the correct way), in particular because of the positioning of the letters on a qwerty keyboard (it makes fairly good use of alternation, though admitted only on the same hand which is not as fast as alternation between two hands).


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Old 28th June 2006, 19:29   #18
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In terms of physical effort pressing three keys is at least three times as hard as pressing one key, regardless of their location. notice the 'at least' depending on proximity to one another it could be more difficult.
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Old 28th June 2006, 20:06   #19
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That's not true! Pressing 'u' requires you to move your hand (or at least your finger) to reach the "u" &mdash; since "y" and "o" are very close to "u", you don't have nearly as much necessary movement. For a proper typist, the effort in typing "u" is *not* three times less than the effort in typing "you"!

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Old 28th June 2006, 20:23   #20
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there is no defined starting point, not everyone types how you are supposed to type. I certainly don't. I'm just talking about the effort of pressing one button vs pressing three. From the up position to the pressed position and back. Technically pressing the same button three times in a row is three times as much physical effort as pressing it once. Any additional movement increases the physical difficulty.
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Pressing three keys is easier than pressing the same key three times because you have more than one finger

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Old 28th June 2006, 20:33   #22
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On a more serious note, leet can be used to make pronounceable passwords that are still relatively secure.

From a how-long-does-it-take-to-crack point of view, it's not really any less secure than a completely random string.

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Old 28th June 2006, 22:36   #23
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For a proper typist, the effort in typing "u" is *not* three times less than the effort in typing "you"!
But for the non-proper typist (and the imperfect ones too), typing "you" is three times the effort than typing "u". Also, people (the majority of them anyway) are lazy typist.

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On a more serious note, leet can be used to make pronounceable passwords that are still relatively secure.
You're right, k_rock, leet does make a secure and pronounceable password, once you think about it. A lot of websites recomend that the password be random characters, which what leet looks like to somebody who does not know what it is.

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Old 29th June 2006, 00:43   #24
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Re: Why do people use leet speech?

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Why do people use leet speech?
Because there penis needs extending, but there not QUITE stupid enough to belive spamvertising.

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I type a hell of a lot faster if I just use plain English. Yes, "you" has 3 letters as verses 1, but when I think of a word, I think of it as a whole, not as a group of letters, and therefore, "you" comes out with no extra thought whereas I would have to spend more time figuring out an abbreviation. Even on the counting thread in the bin, I use a comma to separate hundreds from thousands (for example 51,007), not just because I think it's more "correct", but because that's what flows out of my fingers when I think of the number.

I'd rather just type what my mind is thinking, not some clever character game to compensate for a rather dull post.

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From what I've observed, horrible internet shorthand was invented by those who can't type worth a damn and for whom reducing the number of characters in a sentence by ten actually produces a net decrease in time it takes to type. Anyone who is a touch typist has no excuse, however.

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there is no defined starting point, not everyone types how you are supposed to type. I certainly don't. I'm just talking about the effort of pressing one button vs pressing three. From the up position to the pressed position and back. Technically pressing the same button three times in a row is three times as much physical effort as pressing it once. Any additional movement increases the physical difficulty.
Perhaps you don't, but you should. RSI is a serious risk for computer users, and improper typing habits are not going to help.

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I mean, how hard is it to type 'you' instead of 'u'?
it's not just harder it's *3 harder

@ mattress, actually whilst typing there are not one but two defined starting points, they are....

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Old 30th June 2006, 03:43   #30
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From what I've observed, horrible internet shorthand was invented by those who can't type worth a damn and for whom reducing the number of characters in a sentence by ten actually produces a net decrease in time it takes to type. Anyone who is a touch typist has no excuse, however.
These are the people that will use a little bit of leet here and there to make themselves look cool and the same goddamn people i was asking about in my first post.

Too-DAMN-Much, and those who say that typing "you" is three times harder than typing "u", i don't get what in the world you guys mean. But then again, i type what is on my mind, the words and not the letters (though i am a bad speller ).
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when I think of a word, I think of it as a whole, not as a group of letters, and therefore, "you" comes out with no extra thought

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i'm a literalist..
i mean come on now, measured in keystrokes, it IS exactly three times harder, now myself being a touch typist couldn't care less, but i am a literalist...
and i would like to make it clear that i'm not nessecarily defending "1337"-speak, but i don't exactly care if and when people use it either, mainly because my closest friend on the net uses leet that literally NOONE understands, and he sometimes uses it so people won't understand something they're not supposed to/don't need to, seriously, i only recently got him to decipher it for me.

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These are the people that will use a little bit of leet here and there to make themselves look cool and the same goddamn people i was asking about in my first post.
BTW Too-DAMN-Much, when i said this, i was refering to the asses who use leet and normal english in the same post and when using leet makes look like even more of an ass, like during a flame of microsoft (i mean, who would write M$ for microsoft and write everything else in normal english . me personally, if i was flaming microsoft, i would write either MS or microsoft)

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1337 sp34k is funny. As long as it isnt used to construct complete sentences

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Perhaps you don't, but you should. RSI is a serious risk for computer users, and improper typing habits are not going to help.
I already do yoga for that. I actually don't type all that much, more mouse clicking.
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I actually don't type all that much, more mouse clicking.
its shows, it took you three years to become a forum king (though i might not have the room to talk).

Oh, Naamloos, you're right, leet can be funny, if used correctly (i thought about it after reading the three posts before Mattress's)

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That's not leetspeech though, that's /b/speech.
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That's not leetspeech though, that's /b/speech.
two things, one: what does /b/ mean, and two: what's the main difference between leetspeech and /b/speech?

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lol, j00 r a n00b 1f |_| don7 7h1nk 1337-sp33k 15 teh cool.
That is written in noobish. It is commonly used by newcommers to the internet because they see many other 'n00bs' using it, and think that they are intelligent. Obviously 'noobs' aren't very good at judging the intelligence of internet users.

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People who use so-called '1337 5p34k' are nothing more than idiots that think that using random capital letters and numbers in place of letters will make them part of the computer elite.
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