Old 30th April 2004, 10:49   #1
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Microsoft ClearType

Someone sent me this link to ClearType today. It's a pretty cool little... thing for Windows that makes all fonts look better due to a better type of anti-aliasing.

From the ClearType website:


  1. This is how the lowercase 'm' looks in the original typeface outline.
  2. This is a close-up of the 'm' when rendered on screen without ClearType. Notice how the 'm' has hard, jagged stair-steps or 'jaggies' in the stems, or 'legs' of the 'm'.
  3. This is a close-up of the 'm' when rendered on screen with ClearType. Notice how the 'jaggies' are much more subtle and the letter is rendered more smoothly.
It uses colors to fill in the lettering and make it smoother. Here's another example off the site:



Pretty cool huh? You can learn more about here:

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

And install and configure it if you wish here:

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...pe/tuner/1.htm

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Old 30th April 2004, 13:56   #2
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I always hated the look of cleartype. It looked fugly on a CRT and it was more for LCD monitors. Also, most people who messed with Windows XP in the first 5 mins discovered this ... and it took you this long?



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Old 30th April 2004, 14:11   #3
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and it comes with XP? Where? o_O

And I'm on a CRT and it looks pretty good.

/timeline Viper007Bond I guess. :/

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Old 30th April 2004, 14:22   #4
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Display Properties (Right Click on Desktop) > 'Appearance' Tab > Effects Button > Pulldown menu under 'Use the Following Method to Smooth edges of Screen Fonts:' > Select ClearType.

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Wow, never saw that before. :/

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Old 30th April 2004, 15:00   #6
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Between the teo example bits of text above I prefer the top one (without Cleartype), the other just seems a bit fuzzy.

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eh, who gives a rat's ass?!?
antialiasing is most usefull in games not stupid TEXT

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Old 30th April 2004, 15:19   #8
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Careful though, it can become a resource hog.

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not noticable at all here (yet to have a game run poorly either)
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Old 30th April 2004, 15:38   #10
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a better type of anti-aliasing
That comparison up there is between cleartype and no antialiasing at all.

Imo cleartype looks good on a CRT unless you run it at maximum resolution.
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Old 30th April 2004, 15:49   #11
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Cleartype really hurts my eyes on a CRT - it was designed to take advantage of the sub-pixel layout on TFT screens - on CRTs it just looks like a coloured smudge, which is annoying if you work with loads of text.

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Originally posted by DuaneJeffers
I always hated the look of cleartype. It looked fugly on a CRT and it was more for LCD monitors. Also, most people who messed with Windows XP in the first 5 mins discovered this ... and it took you this long?



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Ditto.

In Windows XP if you havent already played with it, go to your desktop Display Properties, click Appearance, Use the Floowing Method to smooth edges of screen fonts: ClearType. Even on LCD monitors though it's not very decent looking though.

The problem with display technologies today is, we're confined to an X-Y grid system of pixels, we need the pixels to either be made more fine, or have a seemless pixel display technology whereby you cant decipher one pixel from another.

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That comparison up there is between cleartype and no antialiasing at all.

Imo cleartype looks good on a CRT unless you run it at maximum resolution.
My current screen display is at 1280x1024. However, on my old Toshiba Laptop, that was running @ 1024x768 and ClearType still looked fugly.

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My current screen display is at 1280x1024. However, on my old Toshiba Laptop, that was running @ 1024x768 and ClearType still looked fugly.
So you don't like its look on lcd either.

I like cleartype because I hate jaggies and my current windows font, frutiger lynotype, looks absolutely hideous without it.
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Old 1st May 2004, 02:23   #15
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Wow, never saw that before. :/
Same here. But now that I've tried it, it really doesn't matter that I never saw that before... because I don't like antialiasing on my text anyways.
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If you don't like anti aliasing, that's fine but if the antialiasing looks like crap, then you can do a few things about that you can do.

first, your LCD need to be running at it's 'native' resolution, often it's 1024x768.

if it still looks like crap, then you need to run the Cleartype Tuner, if you don't want to install the activex control, then here's an offline version called Cleartweak
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call me sad if you like, but it's the reason i upgraded to XP from 2k.

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Old 1st May 2004, 07:20   #18
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Yup, I dont like it on CRT's at all. It makes text blurry and gives me a headache on my 17" Trinitron.

I hate it when I look at screen shots or benchmark postings from people who have it on. Im always like wtf! stop.

Looks nice on a LCD though. (which is what its made for)
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It looks extremely blurry on my crt. Hurts my eyes. It was made for lcds really


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That's probably because CRTs naturally have a small amout of blurriness to them... You're not going to get micro-precision image rendering on a CRT, so the natural blur that they add to text is enough to negate the need for ClearType.
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the sarge has it right. TFTs (at their native resolution) don't really blur at all, so you get very sharp pixellated images.

i use a TFT, although it looked nice on my CRT too. it was a good iiyama one, though, so i guess that would cut down on the blurriness...

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