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 22nd November 2004, 19:23 #241 GqSkrub Major Dude     Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lancaster Pennsylvania Posts: 897 I <8 imaginary numbers. i also <9 and <10 them. oh yea.. there is no way to conclusively proove the existance of gravity. just as there is no way to proove that you yourself actually exist. or that I exist. it is on this premise that xzxzzx has declared himself god and all of us figments of his imagination. No sig here folks.
 22nd November 2004, 19:34 #242 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 you can conclusively prove that gravity exists. Use inductive logic: Gravity is responsible for weight. If weight exists, then Gravity exists. Weight exists, therefore Gravity exists. Man I love logic.
 22nd November 2004, 19:51 #243 Phyltre Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751 Inductive logic: The pressure of the atmosphere pressing down on us is responsible for what we call "gravity". If we are indeed behaving on principles of "gravity", then atmospheric pressure must indeed be pressing us down and causing this phenomenon. See, the statement that you are holding as true comes directly in the first sentence, in your case, "gravity is responsible for weight." You've already given facts instead of proving them, which is the point of the exercise, yes? You would have to explain logically why only gravity could be causing the phenomenon of weight, or else your statement is just a widely held assumption (and we all know about those...)
 22nd November 2004, 20:00 #244 gaekwad2 Foorum King     Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,424 Your first sentence is already wrong, a correct version would be: The pressure of the atmosphere pressing on us from all directions is caused by what we call "gravity". (According to your version there'd be no gravity on the moon!) Care to start again?
 22nd November 2004, 20:02 #245 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 My first sentence was a postulate, not a fact.
 22nd November 2004, 20:06 #246 Phyltre Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751 well, gaek, my whole point was just that the entire point of the paragraph was being given as fact (or postulated) in the first sentence. Which means that the rest of it is there to create a non sequitur (means "doesn't follow", right?) argument.
22nd November 2004, 20:34   #247
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 Originally posted by GqSkrub oh yea.. there is no way to conclusively proove the existance of gravity. just as there is no way to proove that you yourself actually exist. or that I exist. it is on this premise that xzxzzx has declared himself god and all of us figments of his imagination.
You are correct!

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 23rd November 2004, 05:31 #248 GqSkrub Major Dude     Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lancaster Pennsylvania Posts: 897 I know. cuz i'm god too No sig here folks.
 23rd November 2004, 13:03 #249 CraigF Passionately ApatheticAdministrator     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435 http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpu...mers/index.htm i found this relevent to discussion. so i share it with yourselves.
23rd November 2004, 13:16   #250
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 Originally posted by CraigF http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpu...mers/index.htm i found this relevent to discussion. so i share it with yourselves.
I'd like to put some of those stickers on some of my local library's books.

Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything.
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 23rd November 2004, 18:26 #251 White Raven Little Winged One     Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada, now UK Posts: 4,165 Hahahaha, very cute. just as feathery as ever | portfolio | a poignant quote
23rd November 2004, 18:50   #252
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 Originally posted by General Geoff you can conclusively prove that gravity exists. Use inductive logic: Gravity is responsible for weight. If weight exists, then Gravity exists. Weight exists, therefore Gravity exists. Man I love logic.
Geoff! I din't know that things had to be that simple for you! Here you go:
God is responsible for Mankind. If Mankind exists, then God exists. Mankind exists, therefore God exists.

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 Originally posted by gaekwad2 Nobody will be sent to hell against their will? And what is "in order to promise something better, there has to be something worse." supposed to mean? Is heaven so unattractive that you have to create hell to make it look good in comparison?
I guess, if you really want it to be. And you seem to really want it to be like that, so I guess for you it is. That perspective probably doesn't have anything to do with reality, but hey, if negativism works for you then whatever. Go back and look over these last couple pages of posts, and you haven't been able to come up with one positive conclusion or spin on anything.
If you don't first shed that negativity, nothing I say will ever satisfy you. It almost as bad as the dude in the "we need to agree on this..." thread in the news forum.

 23rd November 2004, 19:33 #253 gaekwad2 Foorum King     Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,424 Now you really made me laugh! (And I fear that's the most positive thing I'll ever be able to say about your posts.)
 23rd November 2004, 20:21 #254 billyvnilly Forum King, M.D.     Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Detroit burbs Posts: 3,379 lesson for today: circular arguments ...err...maybe not...i didnt read far enough up. i think that statement took me off guard so much i didnt even look at what he quoted before reading it 'n posting. Last edited by billyvnilly; 23rd November 2004 at 20:46.
 23rd November 2004, 20:34 #255 Mattress Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577 try reading what he was quoting first, billy.
 23rd November 2004, 20:35 #256 Phyltre Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751 ...you saw Gen Geoff do it first, right?
 4th February 2005, 00:38 #257 sacredpixel Junior Member   Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5 I'd rather live my life believing in a God, die and find out that there isn't one, than to live my life not believing and finding out that one exists.
 4th February 2005, 00:45 #258 gaekwad2 Foorum King     Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,424 That argument would only work if there were only one possible god and only one way to worship him/her/it/them (if he/she/etc. wants to be worshipped at all).
4th February 2005, 02:32   #259
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 Originally posted by gaekwad2 That argument would only work if there were only one possible god and only one way to worship him/her/it/them (if he/she/etc. wants to be worshipped at all).
excelent point

Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved?
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 4th February 2005, 02:47 #260 Phyltre Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751 A single act of creation from a singularity implies a single God.
 4th February 2005, 02:55 #261 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 God did not create man, man created god. Basing your beliefs of a supernatural being on the beliefs of other finite creatures seems pretty stupid to me.
 4th February 2005, 02:55 #262 Chebyrator Chev's Pet Ferret(Senior Member)     Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California, Sacramento Posts: 283 i am sure that there are religions or creationism stories that have multiple gods or figures doing the job Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? - Bill Hicks
 4th February 2005, 03:03 #263 Phyltre Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751 Basing your beliefs on only the perceptions of a single mortal meaningless finite creature seems to plunge the very depths of stupidity to me, but then, that's just me. And Chebyrator, why do you think I was talking about different creationist timelines? I was talking about the Big Bang.
4th February 2005, 03:15   #264
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 Originally posted by General Geoff God did not create man, man created god.
God created man; man created your arguement.

 4th February 2005, 03:18 #265 Chebyrator Chev's Pet Ferret(Senior Member)     Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California, Sacramento Posts: 283 idea of fight club got into my head. how about we get together and beat the shit out of each other... maybe we will find a meaning of life Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? - Bill Hicks
4th February 2005, 03:23   #266
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 Originally posted by shakey_snake God created man; man created your arguement.
Believe whatever you want to believe. I refuse to conform to an archaic concept of creation though.

 4th February 2005, 03:29 #267 shakey_snake Forum Domo     Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Everyone, get over here for the picture! Posts: 4,313 There's a mature evaluation of things: Something's old and a lot of people like it. I'm gonna hate it! elevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladylevitateme
 4th February 2005, 03:48 #268 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 I don't dislike it because it's old. I dislike it because it's silly.
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 Originally posted by shakey_snake There's a mature evaluation of things: Something's old and a lot of people like it. I'm gonna hate it!
Are you referring to your attitude towards science?

 4th February 2005, 03:57 #270 bgesley Major Dude     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: without wax Posts: 948 Give me a peice of evidence besides Genesis, that in any way helps prove Creationsm's credibility.
 4th February 2005, 04:00 #271 Mattress Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577 stuff exists.
 4th February 2005, 04:03 #272 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 Stuff existing doesn't prove anything. I could say that a giant pink elephant with a sledehammer and a pair of tweezers constructed the universe out of his belly button lint. That doesn't mean it's true.
 4th February 2005, 04:13 #273 Mattress Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577 but it's still creationism.
 4th February 2005, 04:28 #275 General Geoff Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254 You know what? You're right, they are two different ballgames. I respect Science more because it is a systematic attempt to "deshroud" the darkness of ignorance that surrounds us and the workings of our environment. Conversely, religion is akin to stabbing in the dark; there could be any one of a billion different explanations as to what religion attempts to explain. It doesn't help that oftentimes religious doctrine and books are very vague.
 4th February 2005, 05:54 #276 shakey_snake Forum Domo     Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Everyone, get over here for the picture! Posts: 4,313 Thanks for taking what I say out of context. Things like that really help convince me that science's attempt to "deshroud" the darkness around me is truly "systematic" and unbiased. elevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladylevitateme
 4th February 2005, 06:50 #277 petitechloe664y Senior Member     Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 269 this is a very profound discussion
4th February 2005, 07:28   #278
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 Originally posted by shakey_snake Thanks for taking what I say out of context. Things like that really help convince me that science's attempt to "deshroud" the darkness around me is truly "systematic" and unbiased.
I don't see what you're getting at. It's true. Religion is nothing without blind faith. As such, you really are just stabbing in the dark. At least with science, we work for a cumulative answer based on things we already know. If something proves what we already know wrong, then we adapt. Kinda like the Borg, in a strange sense.

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 Originally posted by General Geoff I don't see what you're getting at.
Of course you don't. You didn't really understand what I was getting in the post where I quoted myself.

Lets as an example say that I had said:
{1,2,3}

You would interprete this as:
1,2
---hey lookwhats inbetween those: 1.1, 1.2
----hey lookwhats inbetween those: 1.11,1.12
---where was I.... oh yeah! 3.

You see all the parts, 1 and 2 and 3, and you see the specifics that point to those, and what is in between those, but you fail to see the set of {1,2,3} as a whole.