Old 13th February 2006, 19:57   #41
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Ok, so the multiple internal lens groups give it the same effect, but in a smaller package than having just one lens sitting 180mm away from the sensor? I think I understand the concept, but I'd have to see light path comparison charts to understand exactly how that works. Thanks though.

Also, where can I find other 4/3 Mount digital zoom lenses? The Zuikos are really nice, but I'd like to see if there are more to look at and compare.
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Old 13th February 2006, 20:23   #42
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I've been looking at DSLR's recently too. Now I would LOVE a Canon 5D but that's clearly out of budget, as is the 350D (Rebel XT). So the D50 is looking like what I want. My dad has the Canon 300D and that is a very nice camera, if I loved closer to home I might even stump up the extra cost as I could borrow his telephoto lens if I needed it, thus saving me some money!

One of my main problems with my Canon A70 is that's it's unbelievably slow, even in daylight and especially in low light. So pretty much my top priority is speed and the D50 is very fast.

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Old 14th February 2006, 02:04   #43
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The Nikon D50 looks pretty nice, especially for the price range. I was more impressed (naturally) with the Canon Rebel XT, though. Of course, it also costs more. I just hate how everything is proprietary. Memory cards are one thing, but batteries and lenses should be universal. Supposedly, Canon, Kodak, Fuji, Olympus, Sigma, and a few others are now supporting the 4/3 lens mount system, but I have yet to see any lenses from anyone but Olympus/Zuiko that use that standard. And the whole battery thing just pisses me off. That alone is almost enough to turn me off to the entire idea of getting a nice camera.
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Old 14th February 2006, 06:27   #44
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Ok, so the multiple internal lens groups give it the same effect
At a higher stop.
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So the aperture is smaller, right?

Also, I was looking pretty hard at the Sigma SD10 last night as well. That's quite an awesome camera, but it still lacks a few things that I really like about the E-330. The SD10 does use standard AA batteries, though, which is a huge plus. I also really like the "Sport Finder" dealy in the viewfinder that lets you see more than the actual captured scene. That's a nice touch. The Foveon X3 sensor is a pretty awesome setup, but I really think it shouldn't be considered as 10.3Mp.

But of course, it's got its limitations. The screen is too small and doesn't tilt. There is no Live View option (which afaik, only the E-330 has right now). The total captured image dimensions are smaller than the 10.3Mp rating would have one believe. It only captures images in RAW and requires software to be installed on the computer for the images to be converted into usable formats. It only supports CF/MD memory cards. There are several other disadvantages as well, but I think these are enough for me to scratch it off the list. Oh, and the price. That's a big one. :P
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Old 18th February 2006, 04:45   #46
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Ooooh... I think I like this lens better than the one I linked to before. And I still haven't found any other camera that catches my eye more than the E-330. I might have to take out a loan to get this thing. :P
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Old 18th February 2006, 13:53   #47
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As an addition to the kit lens, I guess.

2.8-3.5 is really good.
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I do my long exposures on ISO-50 with a stop of 2.6. Reduces the grain nice and good.

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dSLRs don't even have an ISO 50 setting, the Olympus starts at 100, the Nikons even at 200.
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Old 18th February 2006, 16:42   #50
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My Fuji starts at ISO 80 and goes up to 400 (800 at half its native resolution). It's largest aperture is f2.8, though.

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As an addition to the kit lens, I guess.
The kit lens is nice, but it hardly has any telescopic zoom capabilities. It's made more for close-range and macro shots. The 18-180mm Ultra Zoom lens that I linked to before has a nice wide range, but it doesn't have the top end telescopic reach that I'm looking for. The 50-200mm Tele Zoom that I linked to just above has the long reach I'd like. The E-330 can be bought as either a body-only package or a body+lens kit package. If I got the kit, I could simply add the 50-200mm Tele Zoom lens to it like you said, but if I get the body-only package, I'd need to get another lens to go with it... that'd probably be the 18-180mm Ultra Zoom. I probably wouldn't do that, though, because those lenses are freakin' expensive. Of course, getting a loan is another option. Either way, I'm going to want the 50-200mm Tele Zoom. That's a sexy lens.
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Old 18th February 2006, 16:49   #51
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Personally speaking 36mm equivalent wouldn't be wide enough for me, I use 28mm about 80% of the time.
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Well, if I need simple wide shots, I can honestly use my Fuji point-and-shoot. It's actually got great quality for wide angle pictures. The one thing I have always disliked about it, though, is its lack of tele zoom. For example, the T-38 that I got pictures of in Chev's aircraft thread, I could hardly get a decent shot of it because I couldn't zoom in on it any more. I was zoomed all the way up, and it was still tiny in the image.
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I'm very close to getting the Nikon D50 with a Sigma 18-125mm lens as I heard that the one that comes with the Nikon kit isn't that good. However I may come to my senses and not get that lense. I'll have to go to Jessops soon and try it out.

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Old 19th February 2006, 02:11   #54
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That's not a bad looking lens. Looks nice, especially for the price.
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Oh gawd I'm getting confused. I just posted this on another forum, I'll repost it here just to show how confused I am:

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I'm currently in the process of upgrading from a compact (Canon A70) to DSLR and have pretty much decided that the D50 is for me (it's cheaper than the canon and faster). Now I am getting _very_ confused about what lens to get!

I like taking a variety of pictures so having one lens that covers 90% of everything would be great. I have only really once missed having a massive zoom on my compact which was when I went on a safari. But that's not to say that I don't want to cover the long zoom rage and "future proof" myself, but it's not as important ans speed and sharpness.

I shoot a fair amount of indoor shots so have been toying with the idea of getting a second fixed lens with a big aperture.

My questions are as follows:

Out of the following which are the "best":
Nikon AF-S DX 18-70 (as comes with the D70)
Sigma 18-125mm DC
The D50 kit lens

I've heard that the Sigma can be quite soft, loud and slow which I don't like the sound of but surely it can't be that bad (especially in comparison to my compact).
From what I've read the nikon 18-70mm sounds the best, but am I going to miss the extra zoom? I'm not sure I will [confused].
Is the 18-70mm lens really worth the extra over the kit lens?

As far as the fixed lens is concerned I'm looking at the Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D AF. How wide an angle is that, especially for shooting indoors in low light and in not massive rooms?


Using the power of the inernet I've managed to cost up the following:
A)
D50 Body
Nikon AF-S DX 18-70
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D AF
=600 all delivered

B)
D50 Body
Sigma 18-125mm DC
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D AF
=585 all delivered

C)
Nikon D50 Kit + 1GB card
Nikon 50mm f1.4 D
=605

D)
Nikon D50 Kit + 1GB card
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D AF
=516

My current ranking in my confuzzled head is the following (first to last preference):
A, B, D, C

but obviously if the Sigma isn't as bad as I've been led to believe that swaps A and B around. I put D before C because I'm finding it hard to believe that the extra 0.4 stop on the lens is worth the cost.

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According to this report in a German forum the Sigma is loud, focuses about twice slower than the Nikon which has a built-in silent motor, has stronger vignetting at 18mm, but is actually sharper (includes example pictures: top - Nikon, bottom - Sigma).

The problem with Sigma is that quality seems to be very inconsistent, you have to be lucky to get a good one.
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I think I'd definitely get the Sigma 18-125mm lens before I got the Nikkor 18-70mm lens. The larger aperture rating is the same at the wide angle end, and at the telezoom end, the Sigma reaches out farther. And unless you're going to be doing a lot of low-light close-up shots, I doubt that the Nikkor 50mm f1.4 lens would be worth more than the 50mm f1.8 lens.

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And yeah. What Gaekwad said. :P I hadn't heard much about the quality of Sigma's lenses until now. I heard that their SD10 is great, and I guess I assumed the lenses were, too.
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^ I had a bad experience with a sigma lens. the foil ribbon inside got caught in the zoom mechanism... I don't know how that could have happenened. I sent it in to sigma, got it back 9.5 weeks later and it wouldn't focus correctly.

Fortunately, I bought it at Wolf camera. They gave me full credit on a new Quantaray lens.

May have been an isolated incident... but the salesman, who was a friend, had tried to discourage me from the sigma.

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That seems to be the advise I've gotten elsewhere too. Will go for the Nikon 18-70mm and a 50mm f1.8 lense, perhaps, definatly, if I like it, maybe, possibly, I will, conditionally...... I dunno at all about that but I can get one for a good price so I may as well.

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Can't really argue with personal experience, I guess. In text, they look nice, but if they don't hold up in real world use, then they're not worth it.
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Looks like I found the media card(s) to get if I end up buying the E-330. Olympus xD Type-H memory cards. Since the Fuji p+s that I already have uses xD cards, this would be the natural choice for a new camera, rather than buying CF cards (since it's compatible with both). The newer Type-H cards are a lot faster than the older Type-M xD cards that I've already got, too. I think a couple of these would go a long way.
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Oh, and it looks like Canon just announced the EOS 30D. I'll have to read up on that one a little bit more, but it looks like a nice update to the 20D.

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The EOS 30Da (if made) would probably be godly.

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Probably wont get the 50mm lens, at least initially. I'm going to demo the camera on saturday and buy it off ebay when I get home if I like it. I've found a great bundle on ebay that looks perfect for what I need. I've transfered some money ready for it. Tempted to get a cheapo tripod at the same time too.

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given some of the photos I take, a tripod is a must for me. For exposures over a quarter of a second long, you'll pretty much need one. Buddy of mine, who's deep into photography, uses a SLIK U9000 tripod. 'tis a damn good one, too. Fairly certain he got it from that Adorama Camera site, too.

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The EOS 30Da (if made) would probably be godly.
It doesn't look like they'll be making an astrophotography version of the 30D, unfortunately. At least that's what I read in the news article about Canon's new releases last night.

Btw, that tripod looks sexah.
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Including that SLIK U9000, I've also found a few more nice looking tripods while I was skimming through that site...

http://www.adorama.com/CAT200.html
http://www.adorama.com/SU9002.html
http://www.adorama.com/SUFMG.html
http://www.adorama.com/SUFM.html
http://www.adorama.com/SVP900.html
http://www.adorama.com/VNDF50.html
http://www.adorama.com/VNCX570.html

Any other recommendations or suggestions? What kinds of features are preferable? Pan head or ball head? Rack & Pinion center post or quick-release height adjustment? Etc?


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And I found some more that look decent. I'll scrutinize them in further detail later, though. It's past my bed-time. :P

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
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Ball head and quick-release height adjustment.

The others are more suited for video, and have to be heavier to make them as stable (especially the head).

Those tripods all look rather cheap though (and they are), even with mirror pre-release (essential!) I wouldn't trust them to produce sharp images at 360 or 400mm equivalent.
Expect to spend at least $100 for a decent one.

I have one that's similar to this (cheaper though because it doesn't have the center column that doubles as a monopod), and it's only just sufficient at 300mm with the mirror locked up.

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It is done. I haven't ordered a tripod yet. The cheapo ones I was looking at on eaby were more in the £15 range! Probably not great but hell they might do.

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That Cullmann is nice. I guess, if I'm going to buy an expensive camera, I might as well buy an expensive tripod for it too. I'm seriously going to have to get a loan for this.
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Including that SLIK U9000, I've also found a few more nice looking tripods while I was skimming through that site...

http://www.adorama.com/CAT200.html
http://www.adorama.com/SU9002.html
http://www.adorama.com/SUFMG.html
http://www.adorama.com/SUFM.html
http://www.adorama.com/SVP900.html
http://www.adorama.com/VNDF50.html
http://www.adorama.com/VNCX570.html

Any other recommendations or suggestions? What kinds of features are preferable? Pan head or ball head? Rack & Pinion center post or quick-release height adjustment? Etc?


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And I found some more that look decent. I'll scrutinize them in further detail later, though. It's past my bed-time. :P

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
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My friend is more into the hard-core photography than I am. I'll get his opinion on the tripods when he gets back from his college class (whould should be very soon).


As for the expensive tripod, imo, "meh". I can set my camera to have a delay up to 10 seconds to allow the camera to stop shaking from pushing down the button. Works fine for me, even with my 8x optical zoom Nikon.

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That's no SLR, are you sure it even has a physical shutter?

For point-and-shoot cameras a cheap tripod is indeed enough, but in SLRs the mirror, and to some degree even the shutter, cause vibrations that can completely destroy the sharpness at long tele.
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Ok. How about this one then?


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Seriously though, I just saw these two.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

They both look really sharp. The SLIK has a rack & pinion center shaft, but I really don't see that as a problem. I like the independent leg spread on it as well. It's heavier than the Cullmann, too, so that'll probably add a little stability to it. The Cullmann has a fluid-effect head, though.
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Fluid-effect is nice for video, to get good pans.

The Cullmann's head, if it's the same as on mine (looks like it from the picture), is pretty stable for being all plastic, but as I said I'm not sure it's good enough for 400mm.

Out of those two and without being able to try them in a shop I'd probably take the Slik.
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This is SSJ4 Gogitta's friend.

I use a ****** Minolta Maxxum 7D dSLR with my Slik U9000 (which is also supposedly usable for video) tripod.

Also...I'm not sure about other brands, but the vertical grip I have for my camera allows me to use a converter and take 6 AA batteries and use them in place of two Lithium Ion batteries should I need to. But then the two Li-Ions are good for about 1300 pictures. And my 4GB memory card only holds 664 pictures. So...yeah. Running out of juice isn't really a problem I encounter.

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Some nice work there, GIR_P. Are you happy with your SLIK? How's the build quality?

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Out of those two and without being able to try them in a shop I'd probably take the Slik.
If I can find some camera shops around here, I'm going to try to find at least a couple tripods (even if they're not the same models) made by at least one of these brands. I'd like to see what kind of quality I can expect from them.
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Some nice work there, GIR_P. Are you happy with your SLIK? How's the build quality?
Thank you. I'm very happy with it. I've used it in the pouring rain, and in the snow. It hasn't given me any cause to complain. Because it features a quick release mount, and they offer them for sale, I've bought myself a second one. I used them both in a shoot for my photography class. I used my digital SLR to check out how a shot would look without flash by matching the ISO and metering info. That way I could adjust lighting and whatnot without wasting the B&W film and my time developing it. I just slapped a quick release shoe on my SRT-101 and on my Maxxum 7D, and viola.

Of note, you can purchase the SLIK U9000 with or without a zip-up carrying case at no extra charge...or at least you could when I bought mine a while back.
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Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Besides a carry case, what other accessories/attachments should I think about getting with a tripod?
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I've just ordered one of these which should do the job. I can't wait to get the new camera. It was a lovely day today, cold but as sunny as summer. I almost went out taking pics but decided not to because I'd want to take the same pics next weekend when I have the new camera.

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Old 26th February 2006, 17:13   #80
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advice to anyone in the uk: dont buy jessops tripods (or anything really) theyre ballocks.
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