Let me be weird and understand the reference.

rockouthippie · 18th July 2011, 02:22

PATER noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen

fc*uk · 18th July 2011, 17:22

It's been quite a while since I have translated that from Latin. Now, you gotta be careful and not go off what you remember. Actually read and translate the latin here. They (english and latin version) are not the same; though the idea behind it is one and the same...

rockouthippie · 18th July 2011, 19:28

4 years of latin classes, still lets me read latin somewhat. You can't damn the Jesuits for an education.

It is weird that the meter of this coincides with the English translation. I can't think of any other place where that would be true.

fc*uk · 18th July 2011, 19:51

Never really noticed that before, but, for the most part you are correct.

I am also unable to think of any other place where that actually happens as well, bible or beyond. Though the bible was actually translated from Greek... maybe that's partially why?

rockouthippie · 18th July 2011, 20:45

Actually, this is "church latin" and not exactly correct Latin. Poetic license?

fc*uk · 18th July 2011, 23:54

Yes, very true indeed roh. I am sure a fair amount of poetic license is in there. I had forgotten about that....

Man, it's been a while. Need to dust the cob webs off in the far corners of my brain for this one.

As a side bar, I think it is absolutely sad that the only two languages I *know* are latin and classical greek. I guess that is why I have taken it upon myself to learn spanish*.

* aided by the amount of time I am to be in Mexico over the next year ... and foreseeable future.

rockouthippie · 19th July 2011, 02:38

Greek? Sometimes there just isn't enough time in a human lifetime to study everything you found interesting or the capacity for it. I did get a little Spanish by experience. My "old pa" (great grandfather) Gasiorowski was fluent in both and 11 other "non-dead" languages.

My pursuits have led me along a different path. Were he alive, I still couldn't beat the old bastard at chess.

I would agree with him about Cardinal Richelou in 1839. Basically that the pen is mightier than the sword.

True, This! —
Beneath the rule of men entirely great,
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! — itself a nothing! —
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword —
States can be saved without it!

I'd rather pick up a pen

Piotr has been dead for most of my lifetime, but you remember a guy who fed you flaming hot peppers on his knee and told you stories.

I can still eat a habanero and not blink

You do remember Catulus.... "There is no sworde to bee feared more than the Learned pen". That is a 16th century translation of a first century work by Erasmus.

Some of these things are a caution, some of them are a blessing. It is, after all, how we consider these things that might determine our fate. We aren't a hell of a lot different than our ancestors.

I might not be alive by the time the next "Dark Ages" happens, but being a kind man, I am concerned about our kids.

We have about 5 millennium of human knowledge to study. Sometimes the re-invention of the wheel? You understand what I'm saying.

I will part. You understand the reference.

“The fault is not in our stars but in ourselves”

History repeats itself. I couldn't be more scared.

ScorLibran · 19th July 2011, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockouthippie

PATER noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen

I've also heard the Lord's Prayer with an additional line at the end...

Quia tuum est regnum, potentia et gloria in saecula saeculorum.

I used to know by whom each version of the prayer (with and without this line) is used, but I've since forgotten.

rockouthippie · 19th July 2011, 22:38

For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.

It's the rosary.

swingdjted · 3rd September 2011, 18:13

I used to have to say that and the Ave Maria (Hail Mary) in high school every day (Kennedy Christian, now called Kennedy Catholic).

18th July 2011, 02:22	#1
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	Let me be weird and understand the reference. PATER noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen

18th July 2011, 17:22	#2
fcuk Moderator* Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atlantic Beach Posts: 8,127	It's been quite a while since I have translated that from Latin. Now, you gotta be careful and not go off what you remember. Actually read and translate the latin here. They (english and latin version) are not the same; though the idea behind it is one and the same... Trancectro/electro-house/electro \| Are You Hard?

18th July 2011, 19:51	#4
fcuk Moderator* Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atlantic Beach Posts: 8,127	Never really noticed that before, but, for the most part you are correct. I am also unable to think of any other place where that actually happens as well, bible or beyond. Though the bible was actually translated from Greek... maybe that's partially why? Trancectro/electro-house/electro \| Are You Hard?

18th July 2011, 23:54	#6
fcuk Moderator* Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atlantic Beach Posts: 8,127	Yes, very true indeed roh. I am sure a fair amount of poetic license is in there. I had forgotten about that.... Man, it's been a while. Need to dust the cob webs off in the far corners of my brain for this one. As a side bar, I think it is absolutely sad that the only two languages I know are latin and classical greek. I guess that is why I have taken it upon myself to learn spanish. aided by the amount of time I am to be in Mexico over the next year ... and foreseeable future. Trancectro/electro-house/electro \| Are You Hard?

3rd September 2011, 18:13	#10
swingdjted DRINK BEER NOW (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern West Virginia Posts: 9,991	I used to have to say that and the Ave Maria (Hail Mary) in high school every day (Kennedy Christian, now called Kennedy Catholic). Don't forget to live before you die.

18th July 2011, 19:28	#3
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	4 years of latin classes, still lets me read latin somewhat. You can't damn the Jesuits for an education. It is weird that the meter of this coincides with the English translation. I can't think of any other place where that would be true.

18th July 2011, 20:45	#5
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	Actually, this is "church latin" and not exactly correct Latin. Poetic license?

19th July 2011, 02:38	#7
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	Greek? Sometimes there just isn't enough time in a human lifetime to study everything you found interesting or the capacity for it. I did get a little Spanish by experience. My "old pa" (great grandfather) Gasiorowski was fluent in both and 11 other "non-dead" languages. My pursuits have led me along a different path. Were he alive, I still couldn't beat the old bastard at chess. I would agree with him about Cardinal Richelou in 1839. Basically that the pen is mightier than the sword. True, This! — Beneath the rule of men entirely great, The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold The arch-enchanters wand! — itself a nothing! — But taking sorcery from the master-hand To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword — States can be saved without it! I'd rather pick up a pen Piotr has been dead for most of my lifetime, but you remember a guy who fed you flaming hot peppers on his knee and told you stories. I can still eat a habanero and not blink You do remember Catulus.... "There is no sworde to bee feared more than the Learned pen". That is a 16th century translation of a first century work by Erasmus. Some of these things are a caution, some of them are a blessing. It is, after all, how we consider these things that might determine our fate. We aren't a hell of a lot different than our ancestors. I might not be alive by the time the next "Dark Ages" happens, but being a kind man, I am concerned about our kids. We have about 5 millennium of human knowledge to study. Sometimes the re-invention of the wheel? You understand what I'm saying. I will part. You understand the reference. “The fault is not in our stars but in ourselves” History repeats itself. I couldn't be more scared.

19th July 2011, 22:38	#9
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever. It's the rosary.

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