Old 12th November 2008, 14:56   #1
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Hybrid Car ??

I am getting ready to buy another car now. When gas prices were $4 plus, I was really thinking about buying a hybrid. Now with gas prices back down to $2 or less, should I.

I understand the environment situation, however with the cost of a hybrid being $5k plus more, I will never make the money back over the life of the 4-5 years I am going to keep the car.

So any feedback of your experience owning a hybrid, or why I should or shoulnt would be appreciated.
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Old 12th November 2008, 15:04   #2
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Why get a hybrid when you can get a sub-compact for much less with the same amount of gas mileage?

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Old 13th November 2008, 00:31   #3
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So you registered on a media player forum to ask a question about a car? Are there no car forums anymore?
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Old 13th November 2008, 00:45   #4
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Why get a hybrid when you can get a sub-compact for much less with the same amount of gas mileage?
Plus, the battery cells in hybrids will fail to recharge after about 3-4 years. The cost of new battery packs will run you anywhere between $2000-$5000 dollars ... at least from when I was looking into it a few years ago.

Bottom line: hybrids end up costing you more, even if gas is $4/gal.
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Old 13th November 2008, 02:05   #5
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Buy a European/Japanese/Korean diesel engined car, that way not only do you get considerably improved MPG (Which more than offsets the cost of the fuel) but these days the Hot cars in the range are more and more often diesel powered. So its a good chance you will get a sporty little number as well if you shop around.

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Plus, the battery cells in hybrids will fail to recharge after about 3-4 years. The cost of new battery packs will run you anywhere between $2000-$5000 dollars ... at least from when I was looking into it a few years ago.

Bottom line: hybrids end up costing you more, even if gas is $4/gal.
Weren't there programs where the car manufacturer owns the battery while you own the car, mitigating that risk?

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So you registered on a media player forum to ask a question about a car? Are there no car forums anymore?
Actually, there are car forums, like this one I post at, where the same schmuck makes the same post...

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hybrids are shit at the moment.

people that drive prius' are fucken retards.
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Old 17th November 2008, 03:38   #12
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I understand the environment situation, however with the cost of a hybrid being $5k plus more, I will never make the money back over the life of the 4-5 years I am going to keep the car.<<<<<


That is missing the point. The point is to use less gas nad put out less emissions in to he air. it's not all about breaking even or making a profit. we use less gas, we are that much closer to energy independence and less at the mercy of oil speculators world wide.

not to mention, hybrids are quieter and your stereo will sound better.

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Old 17th November 2008, 12:10   #13
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Weren't there programs where the car manufacturer owns the battery while you own the car, mitigating that risk?
Not that I was ever aware of. However, I got the majority of my information on the hybrids from the big three seeing as how I am surrounded by them.
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I understand the environment situation, however with the cost of a hybrid being $5k plus more, I will never make the money back over the life of the 4-5 years I am going to keep the car.<<<<<


That is missing the point. The point is to use less gas nad put out less emissions in to he air. it's not all about breaking even or making a profit. we use less gas, we are that much closer to energy independence and less at the mercy of oil speculators world wide.

not to mention, hybrids are quieter and your stereo will sound better.

so.....

let me get this straight?

the reason i should buy a prius which is going to stall and basically go faster uphill if i push it, is so i can make a statement about the fact that i'm such a treehugger i won't even drink milk because of it?

go join earthfirst, the eco-friendly terrorists.

and here i thought it had something to do with saving on gas money.

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Old 20th November 2008, 06:19   #15
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uh, no. try again. The point is when you're sitting in traffic you won't be fucking up the air with emissions and you'll get 50+ mpg which will save you cash money every damn week and if everyone got 50+ mpg we wouldn't have to buy so much oil from the middle east, Mexico, South America, etc..... It's not about posturing or tree hugging it's about immediate impact. So what if calculating 10 years of cost/use analysis you don't break even. Do you do that with every purchase you make? I doubt it. I really do.

And btw, you don't have to push the car going uphill, Einstein. No it's not a dickwagging '70's muscle car, but it still goes as fast as you need to go. What are you overcompensating for? Truly, dude, the size and speed of your car doesn't mean shit to anyone but the voices in your head.

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Last I checked, the engine only came on when you hit a certain speed or the battery ran low or something like that. If you're in traffic you'd use very little, if any, fuel.

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And electric motors have way more acceleration then a gas motor. You press the accelerator, the engine spins at full speed. No revving or picking up revs. Power is there when you press go.

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Trouble is though, a Prius is just the same as any other car when it comes to driving on the motorway or in speedy traffic. Then it comes down to the skill of the driver to get the best out of it economy wise, and there are far more economical cars out there than the Prius that have a normal Diesel (Or hell even a couple of Petrol) Engines.

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true. while the electric moter has plenty of torque, the downside is the gas engine is indeed a bit of a peanut and if you live in a hilly area your overall mpg will suffer. the trick is to think about momentum, feathering and working on keeping the gas engine from kicking in as little as possible.

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Why buy a Prius when an M3 gets better mileage?

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really, the bmw m3 gets 55 + mpg?

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The video shows the M3 getting better mileage(according to the host person) at highway speeds.

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When the Prius was driven flat-out on a race course, it only managed 17mpg. The show's host chased the Prius in an M3 (which barely taxed the M3 at all to keep up), and got 19mpg.


It goes to show that it's not the car you drive, it's how you drive it that makes all the difference.

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That's true. However everyday driving is rarely like going flat out on a race course. At my previous job, the route I took there back hills and freeway for 34 miles in each direction -- I averaged 53 mpg. At the gig I have now, I take a different route over steeper hills -- 22 miles round trip -- and get worse mpg; only around 46-48 depending on weather.

I'll keep the M3 in mind for my next flat track race car, though.

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I've driven a 2006 Jetta turbodiesel and gotten an average of 51mpg highway, and 46mpg city. My 1990 Yamaha Virago 1100 gets 50mpg city or highway, no matter how hard I ride it.


Hybrids aren't the only way to stretch fuel.

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oh,a motorcycle. Sure. And in good weather I ride my Marin 24 spd bicycle. It gets me to work for free (well, I paid $500 for it so it took me most of the Spring and Summer to pay off in gas, oil and maint. savings. And I get thighs of thunder for the effort. There is always a straw man argument that can be pulled out.

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Although there really is no argument here. I like my car and you like yours. A fine arrangement. The only thing I objected was being called a tree hugger because I happen to care about spewing as little shit into the atmosphere as I can when I drive, that's all.

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yeah i know, but that's why the majority of people buy them, or misconceptions about savings.

and just for the record, the person i get a ride from the most, has a shitty hyundai accent (90 or 91 i think) and it's one of those cars where i get in and am amazed that my knees don't touch the front windshield, they almost do, but not quite.

prius is the same kind of shitty bubble car, and as much as i hate to admit it, even with a gas only engine the hyundai struggles uphills, even around 10 degree inclines with three fat people around 200-300 you have to floor it, now one of my friends had a prius (for about a month) and we actually did have to get out for that thing to make it up one hill, granted it was i'd guess 20 degrees at most instead of near 10 degree hill, but that thing had serious issues with hills, electric cars could work, but they have such weak electric engines that for the most part it's kicking the gas one on to barely break even.

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^TDM, I often agree with select posts of yours, but that one is completely false. There's just no lighter way to put it.

In my experience I have found that Hybrid cars can climb hills far more quickly than most economy cars. I have family members living in the Allegheny Mountains of Pennsylvania (Kennerdell) that drive 2 of them to work every day with no complaints and still 50+ mpg on every tank, even in extreme weather when the mileage drops slightly. Their mountain roads are often steeper than 20 degrees near where they live, and yet the car has no trouble not only maintaining speed, but accelerating for the entire duration of the climb.

And, we've discussed this before:
http://forums.shoutcast.com/showthre...00#post2399200

The current Prius is very roomy for passengers - much more so than other economy cars, quite strong with gas+electric+CVT transmission in combination when needed, and will save money despite the price difference (compared to equal non-hybrid models) if you keep it a little longer (closer to 8-10 years).

Also, Toyota warrants the battery 10 YEARS or 150,000 MILES, whichever comes first (at least here where I live - warranties vary), so the argument that tosses in paranoia about battery life is also useless here, unless of course your car is older or has higher mileage than those numbers, in which case, the batteries are coming down in price.

For those wishing to reduce our dependence or usage of foreign oil, those wishing to save money in the long run, and those who support technology that increases energy efficiency, hybrid cars are a good choice. It has nothing to do with one's inclination to embrace a tree.

I currently do not own one, because the pre-hybrid car I have just doesn't seem to want to die, and I didn't see a good full-sized pickup truck that was hybrid when I bought the truck I have. If I'm in the market for something later, I will keep hybrids on my list for consideration if they suit my needs.

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yeah i know they do well, i mean they get overloaded more easily, having to get out to go up the hill was with passengers weighing around 600-900LBS, one or two people barely over 190 or so it'll do fine.

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110 horsepower is more than adequate to pull heavy passengers up a hill, especially since the car is rather light, even with a lot of beef in the seats. Now, 110 might seem like a low number, but you must remember that's 110 horsepower available at any time at any speed because of the CVT transmission - no peeks or valleys or powerbands or bullshit like that - just strong, maximum power any time you step hard on the accelerator. Other cars with auto or manual transmissions only get their max horsepower during a very short period while accelerating, leaving the rest at a compromised RPM.

Even when the first (less strong) model was introduced, it would be absurd to believe that passengers would have to exit the car to get up any paved road hill, unless there was a serious and unusual problem with the car or it's driver.

As far as the diesel suggestion, from Wikipedia:
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In a Popular Mechanics magazine diesel versus hybrid comparison of February 2005, the Prius outperformed the Volkswagen Jetta GL TDI diesel in both city and highway fuel economy.
Also remember that diesel costs considerably more money in most places, including where I am.

Besides, if it's ferocious, violent acceleration power you want, Lexus makes a 438 horsepower hybrid with 21+ average/combined miles per gallon.

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Gas prices will rise again, they had to go down, or people would be on the street right now with the current economy.
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