Old 25th November 2002, 04:26   #1
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your math/universe theories?

i just felt gd needed a place to discuss some of the things forummers believe. it can be related to mathematics the universe. i don't care how strange it is, as long it agrees with the forum rules, you can put it. before i get ready to type, you may post any mathematical oddities you find on the internet; just be sure to include the source. and most importantly, try to make some arguments to keep the discussion going.

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i think that there is a close-to-neutral form of matter out there somewhere, i.e. it isn't antimatter or antiantimatter. i say close-to-neutral because if it was completely neutral it would be way too unstable to really exist imo. this neutromatter could serve as a bridge between matter and antimatter because it is not opposite to either (although it is slightly slanted towards one of them), thus allowing us to manipulate antimatter without destroying ourselves or some tool.

i also believe that every universe contains a single particle that has the property to dictate all of the universe's goings. it can physically/chemically change and apply forces to matter/antimatter/neutromatter, it can alter space-time and light, and it can intercept and transmit radiation/brain waves/light/ktp. it might just be able to create any of the three matters, but i doubt it. the changes depend on what happens to the particle, but it requires extremes of matter/forces to cause any change to the universe. because it can intercept waves of stuff, however, it can cause change to occur without the involvement of matter.

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Old 25th November 2002, 04:35   #2
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I say there is more things that we don't know about ourselves and our environment then things that we do know. I was thinking to myself the other day in my calculus class that there could be a whole other system of thought and logic that we haven't descovered or defined yet.
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I believe in the Kane-Hackman theory

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not a theory on the universe, but more on space time. i heard it once and it seems to make some sence to me.

imagine if u will that we are all in a "film room" with our different dimensions hanging from the celieng.
now this being said, he brought up a good point, which is this.

people who can "see" into the "future" are able to skip ahead a few frames, or they are seeing what is happening in another dimension, which is what could or couldnt happen. if the "seer" can see, why cant they jump.

now i know i have some "psychic" ability, because i sometimes "dream" about events the previous nights before it happens. not everything, but somethings. im sure some of u have been able to do this before. u will be in a situation and you will realise deja vous. *im not a spelling major* then it hits u and u realise that u dreamed it a previous night. u dont get the whole experience, just somethings, some important, some just letting you know that u can "see" into the future.

now with that being said, he brought up the point that, if we see it in our dreams, then our subconcious must play some part in the "seeing" of the future and then the jumping from place to place. if we could somehow "harness" this ability, through which method i dont know, we could move possibly easily between time, and possibly dimensions.

this also brings up some delemas and paradoxes, like always with time travel. what happens when we "jump" into a new frame, and we dont know how to get back? what happens to the "current" self in the "new" time line that u just jumped to. (the one u would be replacing.) but since no one has done it, i dont think we will ever know.

your thoughts, keeping in mind that its been a year since ive heard about this, but i seem to have remembered what he said, are welcome.
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Old 25th November 2002, 08:03   #5
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I believe that as soon as the ability to travel at and above the speed of light is accomplished, so will be the feat of time travel. I think that something really messed up will happen and destroy earth while experimenting with this. I have tommorrow dreams, maybe this is a ten years from now warning coming from somewhere inside me.
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saddam has already achieved remote ime travel! hes pushing the entire UN back into 1990!

seriously tho, i do feel that 'time travel' as we see it in movies will never be possible, but to slow time down until it is effectively stopped will be easily done once we have achieved the ability to travel at speeds greater than c, ie, infinate accelleration
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i believe that maths is an abstract system that can never be properly, fully applied to the workings of the universe. unfortunately, since it is the most accurate system imaginable, it's all we have to approximate understanding of the world around us in an rigourous way.

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there is antimass (antimatter is simply matter with an inverted charge, for example an electron has a charge of -1eV, and an antielectron has a charge of 1eV). I just don't see how the universe came into existence from nothing without creating antisomething.
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Old 25th November 2002, 21:37   #10
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I personally am a fan of the Big Crunch theory, just because it's so cool, but I guess I'll have to wait until the mass of the universe is determined to see whether that will actually happen or not. Right now I think its not looking like the universe is going to collapse back on itself and re-explode, but seems like it's going to keep expanding forever... we need to find more mass!


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well we have the spoutings of the winamp forum users.... that should constitute as some mass
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Old 25th November 2002, 22:26   #12
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zorbillas the space travellors were one period in time passing by the quadrant known as Xz1 G9er stear right. on this occasion though amphonono had been having a bit to much fale when he made a mistake and turned around the wrong way so went left instead of right.

unknown to amphonono, the dwerliens had been by and being the orrible little blighters they are had laid multiple chain space mines.
obviously there was one almighty big bang.....

many years later as science still wondered on the theory of the universes origin the earth was flattened to make way fro the new inter-galactic express (acknowledge "Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy)
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Mine are too long to write out. Sorry. But I can hint at them: They involve 3 hippopotumi, Alfred Einstein and the number 53.

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If you were to travel around the world counterclockwise (east if I'm correct) in under 24 hours would you go back in time or would everything just be snapped back in place at the international date line?


I swear, study halls can bring out the weirdest in your mind. Staring at the wall or formulating geographical time travel. Hmmm.

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it's albert einstein's uncle-in-law

which makes me think. it's kinda off-topic, but why is there no one single word for a simple concept "uncles and aunts"? i mean, you have "parents" for mother and father, "siblings" for brothers and sisters, "cousins" for male cousins and female cousins (in german such a word doesn't exist), and "grandparents" for grandmother(s) and grandfather(s) (add any amount of great-'s before that last one). why, then, is there no such word as "niecephews" or "great-siblings"? maybe i'll coin those someday

back on topic... just a little math oddity i found from this site (scroll down to #12)

code:
a = 9.999999...
10a = 99.999999...
10a - a = 90
9a = 90
a = 10


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i believe 0/0=1, 0^0=0. i also believe time has a y and z axis much like
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I understand this and all except how you have inverted neutral charge.
maybe +- infinite charge?
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code:
a = 9.999999...
10a = 99.999999...
10a - a = 90
9a = 90
a = 10

Assuming it is an infinite number of 9's after the decimal...

10a - a = 89.999999999999......
9a = 89.999999999999.......
a = 9.999999999999......

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Assuming it is an infinite number of 9's after the decimal...

10a - a = 89.999999999999......
9a = 89.999999999999.......
a = 9.999999999999......
yeah, what he said. maths is pretty much unbreakable
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i have decided what my life's ambition will be! to diffract myself through a doorway. (according to my physics teacher, this is actually possible).

and now back to the thread:
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actually,

9.99999999... if it is an infinite series, is equal to 10, or at least tends to it.
well, never equal, but tends to it. hang on, i'll write down what i mean...
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i think that there is a close-to-neutral form of matter out there somewhere, i.e. it isn't antimatter or antiantimatter. i say close-to-neutral because if it was completely neutral it would be way too unstable to really exist imo. this neutromatter could serve as a bridge between matter and antimatter because it is not opposite to either (although it is slightly slanted towards one of them), thus allowing us to manipulate antimatter without destroying ourselves or some tool.

i also believe that every universe contains a single particle that has the property to dictate all of the universe's goings. it can physically/chemically change and apply forces to matter/antimatter/neutromatter, it can alter space-time and light, and it can intercept and transmit radiation/brain waves/light/ktp. it might just be able to create any of the three matters, but i doubt it. the changes depend on what happens to the particle, but it requires extremes of matter/forces to cause any change to the universe. because it can intercept waves of stuff, however, it can cause change to occur without the involvement of matter.

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seriously tho, i do feel that 'time travel' as we see it in movies will never be possible, but to slow time down until it is effectively stopped will be easily done once we have achieved the ability to travel at speeds greater than c, ie, infinate accelleration

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there is antimass (antimatter is simply matter with an inverted charge, for example an electron has a charge of -1eV, and an antielectron has a charge of 1eV). I just don't see how the universe came into existence from nothing without creating antisomething.

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I personally am a fan of the Big Crunch theory, just because it's so cool, but I guess I'll have to wait until the mass of the universe is determined to see whether that will actually happen or not. Right now I think its not looking like the universe is going to collapse back on itself and re-explode, but seems like it's going to keep expanding forever... we need to find more mass!
Funny, how some people can be absolutely assured about something they know nothing about. These are the same fools who were so certain that the world was flat, that human beings had 46 chromosomes, and that one particle can't be in two places at the same time.

Please, don't confuse knowledge with intelligence. Regardless of what you think you "know" about the world, you know nothing. Something, yes, you know, but there is no certainty about it. Furthermore, what you DO know is in such a tiny proportion to what you DON'T know that it is insignificant, and can be deemed "nothing".

Thank God, some of us still have intelligence about us:

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*the moral of this is this - maybe add an author note to your quotes so they make more sense
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Please, don't confuse knowledge with intelligence. Regardless of what you think you "know" about the world, you know nothing. Something, yes, you know, but there is no certainty about it. Furthermore, what you DO know is in such a tiny proportion to what you DON'T know that it is insignificant, and can be deemed "nothing".
funny how some people confuse words - see how those all started?
"i think" - "i believe" - "i feel" - "i <like>"

only one you cited had a certainty about it. the rest were regailing their theories in a fair way. people are entitled to think or believe what they like. stop denying them of that.

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Originally posted by jyvasaa

code:----------------------------------
a = 9.999999...
10a = 99.999999...
10a - a = 90
9a = 90
a = 10
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This is just the standard algorithm for converting recurring decimals to fractions.

e.g.
code:

x = 0.142857142857142857 ........
100000x = 142857.142857142857142857 ........
99999x = 142857
x = 142857/99999
x = 1/7


It follows that the ability to put a number in the form of a recurring decimal is a proof of rationality.

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Once upon a time everyone thought the world was flat, one day some dude says "i think the worlds not flat, im gonna go prove it", everyone says sure go ahead cya in hell except one guy who said...

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Funny, how some people can be absolutely assured about something they know nothing about. These are the same fools who were so certain that the world was flat, that human beings had 46 chromosomes, and that one particle can't be in two places at the same time.

Please, don't confuse knowledge with intelligence. Regardless of what you think you "know" about the world, you know nothing. Something, yes, you know, but there is no certainty about it. Furthermore, what you DO know is in such a tiny proportion to what you DON'T know that it is insignificant, and can be deemed "nothing".
funny eh? you indirectly claim that all theories made about things which nobody has any knowledge of are automatically false, however, that in itself is a theory since we have no knowledge of it in reality as nobody can ever be certain about such a claim, my point? exactly, i need not make a point, your theory proves itself wrong

imagine writing a program that contained a procedure that prevented that program ever being run even in the past -

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Originally posted by jyvasaa

code:----------------------------------
a = 9.999999...
10a = 99.999999...
10a - a = 90
9a = 90
a = 10
----------------------------------------


This is just the standard algorithm for converting recurring decimals to fractions.

e.g.
code:

x = 0.142857142857142857 ........
100000x = 142857.142857142857142857 ........
99999x = 142857
x = 142857/99999
x = 1/7


It follows that the ability to put a number in the form of a recurring decimal is a proof of rationality.

UJ

99999x = 14285.571428571428557143

not 14285

x = 14285.571428571428557143/99999

x = 0.142857142857142857

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Funny, how some people can be absolutely assured about something they know nothing about.
it's just opinion and i'd like to see you disprove any of it.
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99999x = 14285.571428571428557143

not 14285

x = 14285.571428571428557143/99999

x = 0.142857142857142857
you are wrong.

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you are wrong.
Every calculator in the world is wrong then.

i can clearly put in a calculator "99999 * 0.142857142857142857" and get the answer 14285.571428571428557143. not 14285.

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My fault here guys .

code:
Should have been :-

x = 0.142857142857142857 ........
1000000x = 142857.142857142857142857 ........
999999x = 142857
x = 142857/999999
x = 1/7



Even so no calculator can handle recurring decimals without some sort of round off error. This is why algorithms of this sort are used to calculate true values. Try the corrected values and you will be back to something like 142856.9999995 ...

Try 142857 * 7

Sorry about that.

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Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
Every calculator in the world is wrong then
which is exactly why you can't use calculators for this sort of thing.

if the numbers were an infinite series, then it would work. you don't have eternity to sit punching numbers into a calculator though.

calculators are really, really crap for doing maths with.

what did you change in the new version ujay? - i'm failing to see a difference...

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