Old 25th September 2012, 05:02   #1
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StreamLicensing.com ads SOCAN

An Email was sent Today to all affiliates stating that alongside of supporting ASCAP, BMI, Sound Exchange, SESAC another entity is now supported SACAN. What does this mean? It means that now Broadcasters from Canada can now legalize their stations as well as USA Broadcasters can now be covered for the availability of their streams in Canada. Before this happened many larger stations were forced to Block Canada for fear of litigation.

Check out their web page it now has the SOCAN logo.

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Yes Marvin is VERY helpful so if you have questions he can answer them for you. You can Email him marvin@streamlicensing.com. Note my signature at the bottom for your way to get a discount when you enter the URL and discount code. Good luck with your Radio station.

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Correct to broadcast copyright music and you live in Canada and your using any shoutcast server located in Canada you need to purchase a yearly license with Socan!

It costs 100$ + per year (much cheaper then USA), I purchased one this year and I'm fully protected to play copyright music 24/7 all year.
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Don't cheat the music industry cause you will be caught, if Socan finds out that your broadcasting without a License in Canada, not only will you be shut down but you will pay heavy fines!

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Correct to broadcast copyright music and you live in Canada and your using any shoutcast server located in Canada you need to purchase a yearly license with Socan!

It costs 100$ + per year (much cheaper then USA), I purchased one this year and I'm fully protected to play copyright music 24/7 all year.
When I first read about Marvin's site, I was prepared to sign up, but then found out, as you mentioned, a SOCAN license for those of us who have stations that don't generate income is only $100. I ended up getting mine from SOCAN as well.

The cool thing about getting a license directly from SOCAN is that they don't have any restrictions on how music is played like BMI has.

In the future though, if I need licensing to play American music, I'm seeking out Marvin again. I appreciated his replies to my e-mails. It also appears he has a good reputation.

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When I first read about Marvin's site, I was prepared to sign up, but then found out, as you mentioned, a SOCAN license for those of us who have stations that don't generate income is only $100. I ended up getting mine from SOCAN as well.

The cool thing about getting a license directly from SOCAN is that they don't have any restrictions on how music is played like BMI has.

In the future though, if I need licensing to play American music, I'm seeking out Marvin again. I appreciated his replies to my e-mails. It also appears he has a good reputation.
Cheers for supporting artists hard work, never pay 3rd parties please trust me. Paying Socan directly without any 3rd parties will save you on all levels of being fined especially when your considering paying a stranger online or server host that is not affiliated to Socan or working for Socan can and will get you into heavy trouble.

With a Socan License you can play anything from around the World with no hassles from any country. Socan is there to protect us Canadians 100%.

The Socan License you have to place on your website or where the shoutcast is streaming to protect yourself and your server hosts & Domain.
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As far as I know the starter of this post and his Domain
http://startinternetradio.tk/, DNS PROOF http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#tracer...rnetradio.tk&&
http://streamhosting.com, DNS PROOF http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#tracer...icensing.com&&

both of his DNS servers are located and pointed in the USA and DE...... NO he can NOT re-sell or supply you or anyone on here or the internet a Canadian COMMERCIAL Socan License since he is NOT a employer of Socan.

Thank You, I will be contacting SOCAN tomorrow informing them about this!
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WTF?

The person who started this thread is not reselling a SOCAN license.

Marvin, the person mentioned in other posts, does provide licensing services. His Web site is:

http://www.StreamLicensing.com

From the looks of things, he is offering a legitimate service.

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I'm no expert in Canadian webcasting laws, but last time I looked into this, it looked to me like SOCAN isn't all you need if you're setting up shop in Canada.

There's "RE:Sound" which is the Canadian SoundExchange. They collect for the artists and labels (Performers). SOCAN collects for compositions (Like BMI, SESAC, ASCAP) and from the article below, there's actually a third component to worry about too - CSI. They evidently want your money for reproduction. I find that fascinating.

http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2010...ic-forum-east/ <- (See second paragraph)
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I'm no expert in Canadian webcasting laws, but last time I looked into this, it looked to me like SOCAN isn't all you need if you're setting up shop in Canada
Socan is all you need to be fully protected around the World providing you hold a valid Socan license and a "word of advice" do not believe what others are saying, when i can tell you first hand with proof. All you need is your server to be hosted with the streaming software (example: shoutcast, Icecast etc..) on the same server providing it's a Canadian Server IP & your a Canadian Citizen.

You do not need any other licenses abroad, providing you own and pay yearly 1 SOCAN license per client which Socan protects their clients to the extent of full rights (the money you pay SOCAN is paid in % to all the Artists & Royalties around the World) and you'll be protected by SOCAN which is indirectly associated with USA Copyright Laws, UK Copyright Laws etc.

Now if you are American and your streaming and hosting on a American server IP it gets to be very expensive in the USA, you have to pay up to 4 different Agencies $$$.

The UK http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspx & Canada http://www.socan.ca/ have similarities in copyright & protection laws.

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WTF?

The person who started this thread is not reselling a SOCAN license.

Marvin, the person mentioned in other posts, does provide licensing services. His Web site is:

http://www.StreamLicensing.com

From the looks of things, he is offering a legitimate service.
First of all get your facts straight before attacking me and swearing in abbreviation above, the owner of that website is charging 22$ a month with 1 of his own SOCAN licenses, regardless what he says or what you say he is the owner re-selling in other words making profit off his sales which is against the SOCAN TOS & POLICY.
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I think I have tried to answer on most on what Canadians need to know about Legal radio laws, again under www.socan.ca everything is protected under radio transmission or braodcasting.

(CSI) Canadian Rights Society can't do anything providing your paying www.socan.ca as we can braodcast anything over the air by radio transmission except paid commercials http://www.socan.ca/creators/about-royalties#radio

If we play paid & sponsored commercials or we sell and make some type of profit in any shape or form we would then have to pay extra $$ as were now entering in a different bracket.
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I hope I have been helpful on here and answered some questions. Honestly it's always better to call www.socan.ca

General Enquiries:
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First off I'm an affiliate of http://streamlicensing.com
I did not do anything Illegal by using the http://startinternetradio.tk link which simply leads to a long URL that gives you a discount for the first month of your license. Unlike other licenses which does not allow streaming ADS Streamlicensing.com DOES ALLOW ads to be streamed. It also allows compatibility for RadioLoyalty a totally FREE Icecast server. So if this site gets reported be prepared to get in trouble for false accusations. Yes I get a commission from Streamlicensing, but too I've helped as well as Marvin has helped many stations get their RadioLoyalty radio station running. Plus do note that many other 3rd party licensing providers don't allow FREE hosting sites such as:

http://freestreamhosting.org
http://*************.com

And others. Plus Marvin has been working on making http://caster.fm compatible with his Auto reporting. When you sign up with StreamLicensing You do not have to worry about filling out tons of reports to the entities for royalty coverage as Marvin's automatic metadata catcher does it for you (Unless you have your files tagged incorrectly or your DJ software is not sending the metadata).

So you can generate revenue (As I do) with the option I posted about. I resent being accused of illegal activity and I will report this to Marvin and contact .tk as well letting them know that malicious attacks are about to arise upon StreamLicensing.com and my affiliate link.

Just more ASSuME before the facts which makes an well look at the way I spelled assume and you'll figure it out.

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@AmatureDJ: I just reported you to Marvin for accusing him of illegal activity. Now his gonna get to the bottom of your accusations. With a name like AmatureDJ I am sure your bright enough to understand the legal back lash you are about to receive when you falsely accuse a reputable company of illegal activity. I also hope for your sake you did not try and attack my .tk link for if so be prepared for a huge law suit. Me being on disability the .tk link is my source of income feeding my family and taking care of my sick wife. So if that link goes down for 1 second I'll hold you accountable for it. I'm sure Marvin has very close contact with the authorities and will be very glad to help me since I'm affiliated with his company.

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I haven't read this thread carefully but I see a lot of stuff being thrown around. Let me clarify a couple of points quickly and I will gladly respond in depth offline to anyone wishes to contact me through our website.

First, StreamLicensing does indeed have an agreement with SOCAN for all our affiliates. We added SOCAN recently because some of our Affiliates were being contacted by SOCAN regarding their streams going INTO Canada. Our agreement covers all SOCAN obligations for all our Affiliates, including reporting, for all streams going INTO Canada, AND for all streams ORIGINATING in Canada. We do not have an agreement with any other entity in Canada. In fact at this time, the other potential Canadian royalty/performance fee entity (RE:Sound) is still getting it's tariffs approved and certified, as I understand it. But again, we only provide SOCAN coverage and make no other Canadian claims. Nor do I or StreamLicensing claim to have any expertise in Canadian law.

Regarding legal concerns: We do have a solid, fully binding agreement with SOCAN. Our license number with SOCAN is on our website and legal documentation for our agreements with U.S. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and SoundExchange is on our website as well, on our legal page. I do have a media copyright attorney on retainer and am very careful to operate as our agreements with each entity require. And for the record, StreamLicensing is a U.S. registered trademark of StreamLicensing LLC.

If you are in Canada, your server is in Canada, and you broadcast only in Canada, and only need or want Canadian SOCAN coverage, you indeed may have no real reason to use StreamLicensing Services, unless you just don't want to fool with the little bit of paperwork involved with SOCAN. If you have reason to need United States ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and SoundExchange coverage, we save you money over licensing direct, we file all the required reports, and you get SOCAN coverage as well.

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Hi folks,

I have been working on the licensing issue for the last three months and I have tons of information for you.

You need at a minimum two licenses; SOCAN and Re:Sound, possibly a 3rd one from AVLA (NOT CSI)

1-SOCAN covers Musical Works royalties (Composer, Writers, Publishers etc.) $100 a year for non-profit radios. If not $500 + % of revenues per year.

2-Re:Sound covers performance royalties (Artists and Record Labels) . They have two non-certified tariffs; Tariff 8 (non-interactive radios) and Tariff 8B (semi-Interactive). Tariff 8 costs either $500 + 12% revenue per year, or $60/month if there is no revenue.
The Re:Sound license is still in the certification process at the Supreme Court. Which means that Re:Sound cannot collect royalties until the tariff is certifier, however it will be retroactive once it's done. Re:Sound is working on another type of license - MicroCaster license, which is cheaper.

3-AVLA license which is called Reproduction license. I'm still not sure what this is about but its sounds a bit unsettling. They said that a webcaster needs permission from the COPYRIGHT owners (Mostly the record labels) to copy the song to another device, which can be as simple as a cd ripping. They gave me ridiculous numbers. $500 per year + $0.00110per stream.

The last part about the stream is the scary part . According to them a stream is 1 song * number of users. So If you have I song playing and two listeners this will be considered as two streams.

I contacted the French side of AVLA, I think it's called SOQPROC or something like that and they confirmed that buying a song from a legal site and downloading is considered reproduction and webcasters need to pay royalties for that if they are to webcast the song. Although they were a little sceptical about the calculation cause my initial calculation yielded terrifying cost if I am to play a 24/7 music site.

Anyways, I have a call with them on Monday and will get the full information. I’ll share the information as soon as I have them.

4-CSI Handles Synchronization licensing which means using, let's say a song in another production, like a movie.. I don't think this concerns much the webcasters.

I hope this helps.

On a different topic; I am looking for information about ShoutCast over limit bandwidth. Did any of you bump into over limit bandwidth thread?

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MamboChuck. thank you for taking the time to write about the information you've acquired. I know, when I have done research in the past, it was difficult finding details about Canadian-related licenses. Your post is going to help many people.

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Hi folks,

I have been working on the licensing issue for the last three months and I have tons of information for you.
The source of information you gathered over 3 months is very misleading, just so your aware.

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You need at a minimum two licenses; SOCAN and Re:Sound, possibly a 3rd one from AVLA (NOT CSI)
"Only one License" is required in Canada, ultimately www.socan.ca covers everything when it comes to broadcasting in Canada.

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1-SOCAN covers Musical Works royalties (Composer, Writers, Publishers etc.) $100 a year for non-profit radios. If not $500 + % of revenues per year.
SOCAN provides maximum protection that we need when it comes to owning a radio license that gives us full permission to play "COPYRIGHT SOUND, MUSIC ETC..." over Satellite, Internet, FM/AM Radio transmitters or software in which is streamed to any live audiences around the World.

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2-Re:Sound covers performance royalties (Artists and Record Labels) .
Re:Sound ONLY covers (Live Events).
For Example: live concerts ..etc

But Socan not only covers (Live Events) but they cover everything.

P.S. Honestly Re:Sound has no jurisdiction over live Internet Radio or even Shoutcast software for those of us streaming copyright music. All we need is a one valid Socan License.

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People on here really have to do more research before posting, just stating the obvious facts.
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Ah, no. I'm not a troll.

When I first starting doing research on what license I needed, I knew nothing--literally nothing. If someone else happens upon this thread, who is the same position I was in when it comes to being unaware of what license(s) are needed, the information in this thread is going to give them enough details so they can begin to do their own research.

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When I first starting doing research on what license I needed, I knew nothing--literally nothing. If someone else happens upon this thread, who is the same position I was in when it comes to being unaware of what license(s) are needed, the information in this thread is going to give them enough details so they can begin to do their own research.
I agree.
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AmatureDJ,

With all due respect you got it all wrong! What is your source? Can you provide a link for an official document to back your claim? Nope you can't because such document does not exist.

You should learn how Copyrights work before accusing people of miselading.

SOCAN DOES NOT COVER EVERYTHING! It only covers MUSICAL WORK.

According to the CopyRight Board of Canada:

"Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN) Web: www.socan.ca

The Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN) is a performing rights society that administers performing rights in musical works on behalf of Canadian composers, authors and publishers as well as affiliated societies representing foreign composers, authors and publishers."


As for ReSound, again according to the CopyRight Board of Canada :
"Re:Sound Music Licensing Company (Re:Sound) Web: www.resound.ca

Re:Sound (formerly known as the Neighbouring Rights Collective of Canada) is the Canadian not-for-profit music licensing company dedicated to obtaining fair compensation for artists and record companies for their performance rights. On behalf of its members, representing thousands of artists and record companies, Re:Sound licenses recorded music for public performance, broadcast and new media.

Re:Sound is also a member of the Canadian Private Copying Collective, created to receive private copying levies from the manufacturers and importers of blank audio recording media."


Then comes AVLA, which is the MOST important of them all and the most expensive:
"Audio-Video Licensing Agency (AVLA) Web: www.avla.ca

The Audio-Video Licensing Agency (AVLA) is a copyright collective that administers the copyright in master audio and music video recordings. AVLA licences the exhibition and reproduction of music videos and the reproduction of audio recordings for commercial use."

There is only one entity who is authorized to license you copyrights for sound recording (Songs stored on a device, CD, LP, Tape etc..) and that is the COPYRIGHT OWNER of the sound recording. which is the Record Label. Not Re:Sound, not SOCAN. That is why SOCAN does not cover everything because they do not have the authority to authorize you to stream a song.

You can find everything on this link: http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/societies-societes/index-e.html

This why you need three licenses, to cover all aspects of copyrights. But don't take my word for it, call Copyright board of Canada and see what they tell you.

Not only I called Copyright board of Canada (which referred me to AVLA), but i've spoken to ReSOund, SOCAN, AVLA and SOPROQ and they all confirmed the above!
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When I first read about Marvin's site, I was prepared to sign up, but then found out, as you mentioned, a SOCAN license for those of us who have stations that don't generate income is only $100. I ended up getting mine from SOCAN as well.

The cool thing about getting a license directly from SOCAN is that they don't have any restrictions on how music is played like BMI has.

In the future though, if I need licensing to play American music, I'm seeking out Marvin again. I appreciated his replies to my e-mails. It also appears he has a good reputation.
You can still play American Music through SOCAN. They also ensure the rights of international Composers as well as well as writers and publishers (provided that they are registered with them). You still need reproduction license though and performance license.You would need American license when you stream into the U.S. You can contact SoundExchange and ASCAP and they can work it out for you.

Just to be clear on what reproduction license is. In Copyright Law you are not allowed to copy a song from a device unless you have the Copyright owner permission to do so.

For example, if you go on an online site and purchase a song, you are making a copy of it and downloading it on your machine. But that is already covered with your purchase for private use. However, if you want to play a song on your radio, you need to copy the song to your host server, that is considered reproduction. It gets complicated when a user connects on your radio and listens to that song. in order for him/her todo so, they need to aquire a copy of the song which the host downloads on their machine. And that is what AVLA does, it collects royalties for COPYRIGHT OWNERS if their song are reproduced.

the only downside of AVLA, it has a list of record labels associated to them, if you are planning on playing a song for a copyright owner that is not on their list you need to contact the copyright owner and ask for a permission directly from them. These have nothing to do with SOCAN, this is simply copyright law and they are international. And neither SOCAN nor ReSound can aquire them for you.
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SOCAN DOES NOT COVER EVERYTHING!
Wrong!!!!

SOCAN CANADA COVERS ALL COPYRIGHT MUSIC THATS STREAMED ONLINE!

If only once you got your facts right and until then, "Please" for the love of God, I would apprectiate if you stop writting paragraphs of nonsense.

Canada Copyright Law and The Internet (“Socan Tariff 22”)

(“SOCAN”) covers ALL copyrighted music that's transmitted over Shoutcast via the Internet whether it be you or your volunteer DJs transmiting the online music via your Canadian server.

If your talking about Live Events, Live Open Theaters, Live Concerts etc... --> (Outdoors) this is where RE:Sound would take affect and then you would need to purchase addtional Licenses.

Since were only dealing here on the Shoutcast forum with Live streaming thru Shoutcast server, then all one needs living in Canada is 1 License "The Socan Tariff 22" which costs approx 100$ CDN including province taxes.
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