Reset Playlist / Play count option, will this be available sometime?

[mrmister001]

Hello
I'd like to explain you why this feature is extremely important in Winamp. Sadly, winamp development team never implement this feature. I guess they work behind the goals marked by their bosses or their company, but I insist this feature is absolutely vital and extremely important.

Why this feature is so important
First thing, is because people demand it. Let's see if am I wrong or not.

Here you have google displaying 20,300 results about this search... a feature users are looking for constantly.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w=1488&bih=876

Why this feature is extremely useful

Because consumers listen thousands of tracks monthly. They need to monitorize a lot of tracks, that is I have 10 albums to listen today, and I cannot spend 12 hours listening those albums. I have to listen them in 30 mins so I go fast fast fast listening the first 30 seconds of a track, I like it cool I don't like it next one and so on...
When you finish to do this, what you see is all your playlist messy, showing that you listened the tracks 20 seconds, etc etc. A madness.

Unless someone here prove me that there is a plugin that RESET (not rate) RESET the playlist... this feature is extremely important to be implemented. Reseting and rating are different things. Rating is marking from zero stars to five stars how much do you like a track. Reseting is giving all its values (times it was played, etc. to zero).

How the feature would work

In a very easy way. It would work for selected tracks or for a whole album.

1. Select from the playlist what you want to reset. An album clicking over the album's name or just inside an album, select individual tracks.
2. Right click with the mouse button
3. You see the menu
4. CLICK IN THE OPTION - RESET PLAYLIST
5. You're done... the selected tracks or the selected album would be reseted to zero. The plays number would be zero, and the last date you listened it would be also zero.

I would really like this feature go to the responsible of the development of winamp there.
Please, it is extremely important.
People is asking for this since 2006, six years later we still don't having this feature that only need some hours of "code" and can be implemented in 1 or 2 days. Don't take much time, don't cost money to you, and really help to make the life of the people easier.

I have friends DJs, that they use winamp constantly to listen tracks they will play later in discos, and you cannot imagine how much they complain because winamp don't have this feature.

Let's pray this feature be available someday.

[Aminifu]

What I do to reset playcount is select the tracks and move them to a folder that WA is not monitoring. Then I rescan the library with the option enabled to remove missing files. Then I move the tracks back to their original folders and rescan the library again. The tracks are back with their playcounts set to zero.

Too much work for such a simple thing, but it's the only thing I've found that works. There is an old plug-in that used to reset playcounts (ml_plcount.dll), but it not longer works. Have not been able to contact the author for an update.

[mrmister001]

Originally Posted by Aminifu

What I do to reset playcount is select the tracks and move them to a folder that WA is not monitoring. Then I rescan the library with the option enabled to remove missing files. Then I move the tracks back to their original folders and rescan the library again. The tracks are back with their playcounts set to zero.

Too much work for such a simple thing, but it's the only thing I've found that works. There is an old plug-in that used to reset playcounts (ml_plcount.dll), but it not longer works. Have not been able to contact the author for an update.

If you contact the author to make it work again, I build you a monument to say THANKS !!!!
What you do to reset the playlist is a royal pain... we need this feature now, or at least a plugin that make it possible.

It's incredible how the development team don't implement a thing so necessary and so basic.
Unbelievable.

[DrO]

it's because the development team are evil robots and want to purposefully annoy as many users as they can possibly do

just because people want it (and you're one of only a few to have vocalised the request via the forums) never means it has to be officially added and was one of the reasons why there was a plug-in created - it's the whole point of the plug-in system so things can be done without the need for 'official' developer interaction.

the main issue in this case is the author of that plug-in has not been seen for years and there is a general lack of interest by anyone else to make a new plug-in to replace it. so the best option is to find someone who can a) code, b) has an interest in coding a Winamp plug-in and c) the time to do it. getting all three of those and you would get what you want but you're going to be hard pushed to achieve that as things are with there effectively being no real active plug-in developer community anymore.

-daz

[mrmister001]

Originally Posted by DrO

it's because the development team are evil robots and want to purposefully annoy as many users as they can possibly do

I don't know I cannot state a certain position about that topic. My guess is they follow the guidelines marked by their bosses, which by the way don't have any idea of what customers demands.

Originally Posted by DrO

just because people want it (and you're one of only a few to have vocalised the request via the forums) never means it has to be officially added and was one of the reasons why there was a plug-in created -

Not true. As you are saying this, is like if people were not interested in this. It's clear you did not read my message. Google is displaying 20,300 results of people searching this feature. It's clear, again, that you did not read my message or you interpreted it in the most favorable via for Winamp, and not for the users thar demand this feature. That, or just simply you don't checked out this need in Google. I did, and there are the results. 20,300 topics opened. "Make up" it as you want, results are there.

Originally Posted by DrO

the main issue in this case is the author of that plug-in has not been seen for years and there is a general lack of interest by anyone else to make a new plug-in to replace it.

Again not true. There is no lack of interest when Google is displaying 20,300 results of people searching this feature. What we cannot do is forcing users to work for free. We cannot do that. Unfortunately, we don't have many "Saints" in the actual society, and people want to earn money for their effort and work. The interest is well demonstrated in Google with 20,300 topics opened.

I am here to ask kindly for a feature, not be attacked by someone. And the way this is turning, I feel so.

[DrO]

Originally Posted by mrmister001

I don't know I cannot state a certain position about that topic. My guess is they follow the guidelines marked by their bosses, which by the way don't have any idea of what customers demands.

i was trying to be light hearted about the matter but that seems to have been completely missed *shrugs*

Originally Posted by mrmister001

Not true. As you are saying this, is like if people were not interested in this. It's clear you did not read my message. Google is displaying 20,300 results of people searching this feature. It's clear, again, that you did not read my message or you interpreted it in the most favorable via for Winamp, and not for the users thar demand this feature. That, or just simply you don't checked out this need in Google. I did, and there are the results. 20,300 topics opened. "Make up" it as you want, results are there.

i did read your message but you did not mine - i clearly indicated my comment as based on people posting the request in these forums. and from the google search, a few on the first page don't actually relate to what you are looking for and happen to be close matches just based on wording and not a direct request for the feature.

Originally Posted by mrmister001

Again not true. There is no lack of interest when Google is displaying 20,300 results of people searching this feature. What we cannot do is forcing users to work for free. We cannot do that. Unfortunately, we don't have many "Saints" in the actual society, and people want to earn money for their effort and work. The interest is well demonstrated in Google with 20,300 topics opened.

i am fully aware that most people want to get some form of monetary re-numeration from creating code but not everyone does (why else would have done around 65+ plug-ins and gotten pretty much nothing out of it?). you comment now re-enforces a view that's been creeping over me for the last year or so that i probably should never have bothered to make loads of plug-ins to try fix things which people wanted but would never be officially considered as from your tone it clearly sounds like anyone who makes plug-ins for free are a fool for doing so.

Originally Posted by mrmister001

I am here to ask kindly for a feature, not be attacked by someone. And the way this is turning, I feel so.

that was not my intention at all. i was trying to explain what would be the quickest way to get it (as had been done before) and not for you to get annoyed / upset that nothing 'official' is likely to ever happen towards getting this implemented any time soon. and i was not disagreeing that there isn't a demand but i don't go round search for requests via a google search let alone taking the search result number as the actual number of true requests.


it probably should have been added natively years ago like so many other things but i'm not in control of such things even though i could spend a few hours adding it into Winamp directly (as i have access) or doing it as a free plug-in but that is then doing it off my own back which would clearly be foolish of me to do. if the circumstances were different i would just go off and do it but i've been bitten too many times by it recently to even want to try doing such things now.

[mrmister001]

You have your point of view.
I, and 20,300 persons in Google have another different point of view and demand this feature.
Please, can you stop to attack me?
I am in the Winamp Whislist to ask for a feature in the next versions. I don't need more neverending paragraphs about why winamp is perfect as it is, why it must not change, etc. etc.. For me it's perfect if you want to adorate it.
Many people like winamp, if not we wouldn't be here, but it is far away from being perfect, and many users are demaing this feature.
Is what I said.
Thanks.

[Aminifu]

The free Winamp product is free to you a user, but it is not free to maintain and update.

You and any number of other users of the free Winamp product can not demand anything.

[DrO]

i never said Winamp is perfect and i said i was not attacking you about it - i was trying to explain why things are as is and what is the best way to get it implemented. but whatever now, you've managed to kill any interest i might have had in giving up my free time to implement this feature.

[mrmister001]

Originally Posted by Aminifu

The free Winamp product is free to you a user, but it is not free to maintain and update.

You and any number of other users of the free Winamp product can not demand anything.

Okay. You are right. Let's close the Wishlist forum with all the threads, because no one here can demand new features. Winamp it's free we users don't have any right to ask for new features and improve it. Let's allow winamp die naturally.

Originally Posted by DrO

i never said Winamp is perfect and i said i was not attacking you about it - i was trying to explain why things are as is and what is the best way to get it implemented. but whatever now, you've managed to kill any interest i might have had in giving up my free time to implement this feature.

??

I am not here to be the lacay of anyone. I am here as user, to ask for a new feature. I said, ASK, and to explain why I, and 20,300 topics from different people at Google, think, the feature it's important. If to get this feature I should clean you the shoes or dance for you, I'm sorry, I respectfully would tell you I am not interested. I'd rather would switch from being a llama (winamp) to become an extreterrestrial (foobar).

It's sad an user enter here to explain why a feature could be useful for the community, and the moderator launch against him. But anyway, I'll believe what you said, that you did not attack me. Let's move on to other thing.

[Aminifu]

Hi mrmister001,

To ask, to suggest, and to demand are 3 different ways to make a desire known. I demand you learn how they differ.

WA users have every right to ask and suggest. On what basis do users of this free app have the right to demand?

I once worked with a guy from Pakistan. He went around demanding things. He understood what courtesy is, just saw no need for it. He felt he was going to get what he wanted or not and how he made his desires know made no difference. He said using courtesy did not make him feel any less as a person, but that it was simply a waste of time.

Maybe that kind of attitude is in play here. Basically its: The requester wanting what they want and they can request it anyway they want and they don't care what the provider has to say. The provider is either good when the requested thing is provided or bad when it is not.

[mrmister001]

Aminifu... what you said is a deep and phylosophical analysis of the situation. There are different interpretations of the word demand, ask... I think people are demanding this feature, that is they need the feature. You interpret the word demanding as winamp having the obligation to develop the feature. In a certain sense, they have the obligation (VOLUNTARILY) to release the feature, in order to avoid losing users. So there is a division in the logical branch in which we interpret the word demand, I think you interpret it as IMMEDIATE OBLIGATION AND DUTY and I interpret it AS A NECESSARY AND VOLUNTARY OBLIGATION (they are not forced to, they should to).
The thread topic is clear about the interpretation. It is asking: will it be available sometime? a question never can be imperative.
Anyway, this don't have to take much of our time. It's a waste of time to anaylize if you are right or am I right, what is important is the petition, and it was made. Creating politics about this, is not necessary. Let's focus.

The petition is formally done. Is up to Winamp developers to develop it or not.

Now I inform you (to all people) what the competence is doing: foobar2000

- foobar2000 handle stats, allows me to show my albums ordered, with artwork, etc.
- foobar2000 allow me to reset the playcount with a simple right click in my mouse (thing winamp is not doing) I do this with a little complement called fooplaycount 3.0.2
- foobar2000 takes less system resources (in my machine take less system resources than winamp)
- foobar2000 is completely customizable. You can create a column with a simple string to display exactly the last time your files were played:
[$month(%last_played%)/$day_of_month(%last_played%)/$year(%last_played%) $time(%last_played%)]
That gives me the same information I get in winamp with the playlist (last played). Date, is totally customizable day before or month before, as you prefer. I get also the time.

- DFX is giving support to foobar2000, I get my audio perfectly enhanced!

Consequence... I've migrated this morning Jun, 12 2012 to foobar2000

I really needed this feature (reset the stats), to maintain my stats well organized, so I had to migrate.

I'd consider to use again winamp when: 1) It can reset the stats 2) Take less system resources

Winamp it's a great player, I've been using it since the Frankle era (1997 / 1998 until this morning) but I cannot continue why my playlists completely de-organized with the stats showing preliminary values.

I'm sorry.