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Old 30th March 2007, 00:51   #1
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Do you feel Americans have become socially too rigid in recent times?

I used to watch an American show called "Family Feud" & the host Richard Dawson used to kiss all the female contestants on the show, like it was a habit & none of the women seemed to mind it at all (heck, I have heard that some women went to his show just because they liked to get kissed by him!).

But TODAY, you simply can't imagine a man going and kissing women although he just intends it to be in good-natured fun. The women will all go ballistic on him with stuff like "you're not my boyfriend! how dare you kiss me?"

Why is this so? Is America going back to the ancient times again?
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Old 30th March 2007, 01:40   #2
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You're assuming alot. People back then (what was it, 1970?) weren't going around kissing each other - it was one man on television which we all know is a direct mirror to culture and social interactions.
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Old 30th March 2007, 01:43   #3
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"Do you feel Americans have become socially too rigid in recent times?"

No, not judging by the amount of ****** spam out there.

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Old 30th March 2007, 01:46   #4
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I think in 50 years america is going to become super dumbed down like in the movie Idiocracy.
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Old 30th March 2007, 02:14   #5
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There's a constant flow of morality based on public opinion and campaigns meant to influence it. There's not really any metric to determine where things as a whole are going.
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Old 30th March 2007, 03:36   #6
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There's a constant flow of morality based on public opinion and campaigns meant to influence it. There's not really any metric to determine where things as a whole are going.
Incorrect. It's all going nowhere slowly.
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Old 30th March 2007, 03:41   #7
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Well played, sir. However I disagree with you on principle and sneeze in your general direction.
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Old 30th March 2007, 06:43   #8
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Americans are marching morons. We deserve whatever is about to be dished up to us. I am about to fall back on either my Scottish or Irish cousins for an entrance visa away from this weird place.

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Old 30th March 2007, 08:28   #9
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Well played, sir. However I disagree with you on principle and sneeze in your general direction.
You got that too? I think there is a cold going around or something.
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Old 30th March 2007, 10:15   #10
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You got that too? I think there is a cold going around or something.
You've got an STD, not a cold...

Have a talk with your hubby next time you see him...

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Well, that would explain his/her proposition to Windude!
(sorta)
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Old 30th March 2007, 14:13   #12
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Old 30th March 2007, 16:21   #13
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There's a constant flow of morality based on public opinion and campaigns meant to influence it. There's not really any metric to determine where things as a whole are going.
I personally don't mind people having their own beliefs and what they see as "morals". But it's when they become politicians and start forcing or brainwashing people to follow them, without giving freedom for their desires or urges, is when it becomes a major problem. Because brainwashing is not going to change everyone's mind - it's only going to create "class" divisions in the society with each class having their own set of beliefs & confuse the general public as to what is good and bad.

If one were to ask me:

How was America in the early 1900s, I would say it was very religiously conservative.

How was America back in the late 60s and 70s - it was fun-loving and sexually liberal.

How is America TODAY? No one knows what to say - some people are very conservative, some people are moderate, some people are liberal. But we can't say for sure.

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Old 30th March 2007, 16:37   #14
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Americans are marching morons. We deserve whatever is about to be dished up to us. I am about to fall back on either my Scottish or Irish cousins for an entrance visa away from this weird place.
For some reason I imagined the voice of Johnny Depp in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas reading that out loud.
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Old 30th March 2007, 16:47   #15
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I'll take that as an extreme compliment.

"Which is worse, ignorance or indifference?"

"I don't know, and I don't care."
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Old 30th March 2007, 17:18   #16
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Depends on where you are - go to the "bible belt" and people are so rigid they become hypocratical because they preach morals that no one can live up to.

Go to major cities on the coasts, and you'll see just the opposite.

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Old 30th March 2007, 19:23   #17
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Depends on where you are - go to the "bible belt" and people are so rigid they become hypocratical because they preach morals that no one can live up to.
I can't really agree with that. I have never been preached at or even approached by a churchgoer (I'm excluding only the people that travel to colleges across the US to scream at crowds, because they strike me as less than sane.) There are MANY hypocrites out there, yes, but I ignore them and they seem to ignore me. I am a devout Christian but I do not attend church. Short of going to church with these people, where are you going to get preached at by them?

@Triton4:
I have no problem with the idea that morals are fine unless you push them on other people. Unfortunately, as of late more laws that do this have been passed that don't address religion. For instance, they tell me guns are immoral, controlled substances are immoral, pollution is immoral, trans fats are immoral, PLASTIC BAGS are immoral, regular light bulbs are immoral, filesharing is immoral, global warming is real (and if you doubt it you're an idiot), etc. Now some of these things I agree with, and some of them I do not. But that doesn't matter--they are all by and large moral statements that I HAVE To comply with as an American citizen. Isn't that a problem? How does religion change the opinionated crap that comes out of a politician's mouth?
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Old 30th March 2007, 19:49   #18
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You and 100% of other Americans.
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Old 30th March 2007, 20:07   #19
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To be more specific with an example, in some places you'll see prayer at public school functions, where if you don't participate, people will see you in a very negetive way. In other places, prayer at school functions could get you sued.

Some people don't know that there is a difference between morals and ethics. There is some gray area between, but I would say there is also a difference. I see the things you said to Triton4 as more ethical issues rather than moral issues.

Another problem that you bring up is the fact that many people put moral judgement on inanimate objects rather than the misuse or abuse of those objects. There is nothing immoral about a plastic bag or a gun, but I would say if you fed said plastic bag to a fellow forum member at gunpoint, then that action would be considered immoral.

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Old 31st March 2007, 01:00   #20
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it's not a bible belt thing, it is a urbanization versus small town thing. I live in what most people would call, the bible belt and I can tell you that it is very much liberal in this big city.
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I see the things you said to Triton4 as more ethical issues rather than moral issues.

but I would say if you fed said plastic bag to a fellow forum member at gunpoint, then that action would be considered immoral.
Second point: we should not outlaw plastic bags simply because they MIGHT be fed to people. Frequently things are outlawed just because they might be abused--ignoring all the citizens who can live without maiming others.

First point:
"Ethics (from the Ancient Greek á¼_θικός Ä“thikos, the adjective of ἤθος Ä“thos "custom, habit"), a major branch of philosophy, is the study of values and customs of a person or group and covers the analysis and employment of concepts such as right and wrong, good and evil, and responsibility. "

Sounds like morality to me. Draw a distinction to disprove me.
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Old 31st March 2007, 06:41   #23
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I think I may have seen what you did there.
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Old 2nd April 2007, 04:26   #24
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I have lived with my fiancee for a couple years and won't be married until July. Many would see living with a girlfriend who I'm not married to as immoral, but I really don't know of anyone that would call it unethical.

Morals seem more value/personal choice based and subjective; whereas ethics seem to be more outcome based and objective.

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Old 2nd April 2007, 05:05   #25
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Ethics is "the study of moral systems".

Nobody would call you situation "unethical", because it's not violating a system of morals you've committed to subscribing to.
You can't have ethics without morals.
It's improper usage on your part to try to draw this line how you are.


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Living with a girl while not married is neither moral or ethical.
It's smart.
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After that topic about bars I think you're too rigid about alcohol definitely.




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Re: Do you feel Americans have become socially too rigid in recent times?

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I used to watch an American show called "Family Feud" & the host Richard Dawson used to kiss all the female contestants on the show, like it was a habit & none of the women seemed to mind it at all (heck, I have heard that some women went to his show just because they liked to get kissed by him!).

But TODAY, you simply can't imagine a man going and kissing women although he just intends it to be in good-natured fun. The women will all go ballistic on him with stuff like "you're not my boyfriend! how dare you kiss me?"

Why is this so? Is America going back to the ancient times again?
This shows that socially Americans have become less rigid. The responsibility of the woman to smile and accept a kiss they don't necessarily want is now gone.

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