Old 25th April 2010, 10:36   #1
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Just a suggestion for DEV TEAM!

To Dev. Team!

We understand that it is global economic crisis, and everyone wants to make money at any cost, to but add in new SHOUTcast Transcoder 2 Beta 6 version license for MP3, is beyond my power to understand .
Has no logic this license implementation for MP3, are xxxx opensource MP3 encoders, and for sure you use one of that .

Is not about 1,2 ..5$ but is frustrating and without logic.

I wish a great day for all!
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Old 25th April 2010, 12:23   #2
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All MP3 encoders require licensing of some type. Even the opensourced MP3 encoders recommend that you license the encoder as appropriate. This if from LAME, but they all contain similar language:

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6. Does LAME use any MP3 patented technology?

LAME, as the name says, is *not* an encoder. LAME is a development
project which uses the open source model to improve MP3 technology.
Many people believe that compiling this code and distributing an
encoder which uses this code would violate some patents (in the US,
Europe and Japan). However, *only* a patent lawyer is qualified to
make this determination. The LAME project tries to avoid all these
legal issues by only releasing source code, much like the ISO
distributes MP3 "demonstration" source code. Source code is
considered as speech, which may contain descriptions of patented
technology. Descriptions of patents are in the public
domain.

Several companies plan on releasing encoders based on LAME, and
they intend to obtain all the appropriate patent licenses. At least
one company is now shipping a fully licensed version of LAME with
their portable MP3 player.

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Old 25th April 2010, 16:37   #3
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idobi,

In that case have to ask for aacp license also .... Ss far as i know, this kind of license are not apply for free product. If SC_TRANS become a commercial product, and AOL or whatever who manage this product decide to make this SC_TRANS a commercial product, then the price for MP3 Encoding license must be included on the product price.

As i say, have no logic reason this new SC_TRANS MP3 license! I feel as somebody from here want to make some money and don't know how
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Old 26th April 2010, 06:37   #4
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I forgot something to say yesterday

The SHOUTcast DSP PlugIn is free, don't require any license for MP3, and that is a streaming encoder also .

So my opinion about have no logic to add that license on SHOUTcast Transcoder 2 Beta 6 version was simple demonstrated.
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Old 26th April 2010, 08:42   #5
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the dsp plug-in just uses other parts already in place in Winamp which will have been licensed correctly (ignoring keygens to unlock things) for it to work correctly so the plug-in doesn't really classify in this discussion.

this is essentially because the dsp is just being passed audio data instead of like sc_trans which it has to decode the media from my understanding and so would be subject to licensing.

either way, there are most likely management based reasons for the change and i doubt it'd be likely to change or can be fully explained on a private forum (remember that SC is a corporately owned product so it has to generate income of some sort to make it viable to keep going...).

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Old 26th April 2010, 09:50   #6
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agreed. The only "true" open source encoders are Ogg and Flac. Even AAC+ is owned (Orban) and had to cost winamp something for rights of usage. Mp3 has never been a free encoder. LAME, while you can get free, is not free for any software company to bundle with their software. thats why the lame.ddl usually is not bundled in with software that is open source (odd/edcast, audacity, ect)

I really cant say much more than that without opening a big can of worms. SC_trans project got outsourced to to India last I had seen in an article written a year back. I was actually suprised to see Niel (who is awesome let me add) working on this on SC2.
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Old 26th April 2010, 13:34   #7
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AAC+ is owned by Coding Technologies which is now Dolby Labs and licensed through a couple of different places. Winamp was probably able to negotiate a pretty sweet deal it or would not have been in the free version, they may have even been able to get it for free as somewhere along the line you must get product out to people or you will never sell the product to anyone because it is completely unknown.

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Old 26th April 2010, 18:51   #8
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Hi,

I'm totally agree with you guys (DrO, Brutish Sailor, Greg_E), but for more than many year sc_trans was a freeware encoder, also SHOUTcast DSP for Winamp Freeware edition working perfect with MP3 encder without be necessary any license. I'm pretty sure can be included also in this version, even if behind is AOL as mother company for SHOUTcast and will use a transparent license for MP3 as use for AAC.

My intention are not to make waves here, or to create a small revolution. 5$ are not to much or the end of world, and I'm sure anybody can cover that, but we are talking about more than 50% streamers of SHOUTcast what manage own radio station from hobby, and are non-profit stations (as i do), and the cost to keep a hobby radio become real big when you didn't have money support (donations). In that case that 5$ also become harder to pay.
I suppose, and I'm still waiting if that will be possible, i will get an official answer/explication from developer team, or one of manager of this new project called "SC_Trans2".

Thanks guys for you logical explications.
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Old 27th April 2010, 10:27   #9
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I suspect this is how it went

Nullsoft produced a product , Shoutcast and the Winamp plugin.

AOL bought Nullsoft for the product/technology and all was well with the world. Advertising was up, streams were a plenty and some of the subscriptions for AOL got upsold to include a premium stream etc etc.

AOL got re-organised so Shoutcast slipped through the cracks, development team got disbanded, but revenues seemed ok.

AOL got re-organised again as revenues were falling, but found an old product that could be retro fitted for new functionality and services. Legal had to have a look at it, as they had been bitted in the past due to license, IP ownership, staff left taking agreements with them etc etc.

Disovery that the MP3 part of the encoder was not licensed (the AAC+ code has been licensed by AOL a while ago). To cover them selves they had to introduce a key so that anyone who used it paid as the license is with the end user not AOL, so removing themselves legally from any issues.

Will it deter people from using it ? probably, I am sticking with the previous version as it does what I need and I do not interact with the bugs.

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Old 27th April 2010, 20:49   #10
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Hi bored_womble,

Have logic what you say , but as i can see we still have no official explication about that. Also was more professional from AOL to pay that license or to close the same agreement as made for AAC+, we are not crying about AOL incoming from ads. I will use also preview version as new version didn't include to many features (not to satisfy my needs).
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