Old 8th August 2022, 13:26   #201
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It also looks like the Runtime DLLs we include in the “Winamp\Microsoft.VC142.CRT” folder aren't enough on some Windows 7 - 8.1 systems.

If Winamp is crashing on load for you on Win7-8.1, then try installing the full VS2019 Runtime Redistributable package from:

- https://www.itechtics.com/microsoft-...edistributable

- https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x86.exe


We could make the Winamp installer check the registry to see if it's already installed, and if not, attempt to download and install it - but as we've found with DirectX and WM9, it doesn't always work (probably because of local firewall blocking it).

Or we could add that MS installer to our installer (maybe have a separate installer for Win7-8.1)?
But it would add anything up to 13mb to our installer...

Or we could just add it to the FAQs (forum, wiki, Help, etc), i.e. if Winamp doesn't load at all on Win7-8.1, please install this!

What a shemozzle, eh?
Unfortunately most users won't read. It has to be in the most conspicuous place. How about a big warning card at the beginning of the installer, with a yes/no choice to proceed with installing the runtimes?

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Old 8th August 2022, 13:31   #202
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Unfortunately most users won't read. It has to be in the most conspicuous place. How about a big warning card at the beginning of the installer, with a yes/no choice to proceed with installing the runtimes?

Yes, I thought about that too.

We've already got a similar warning for DirectX (if d3dx9_31.dll and d3dx9_42.dll are missing, and our installer fails to download & install them).

If we could make both warnings into a clickable link (the DirectX one is currently just text), then maybe it's a feasible solution?

Not the best of user experiences...
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Yes, I thought about that too.

We've already got a similar warning for DirectX (if d3dx9_31.dll and d3dx9_42.dll are mssing, and our installer fails to download & install them).

If we could make both warnings into a clickable link (the DirectX one is currently just text), then maybe it's a feasible solution?

Not the best of user experiences...
Considering that you're trying to maintain compatibility all the way back to Windows 7/8.1, those users need to understand that Winamp needed to move into the future to support modern Windows versions and can only *try* to meet the needs to older OS users. I've been very, very pleased with the user experience, especially once I found some earlier versions of plugins I use to tide me over until RC2. Of course, I'm a Win 11 user so there's that.

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I have installed "winamp59_9999_rc1_full_en-us.exe" but I did not uninstall the previous version (5.666). I choose same folder as version 5.666 (C:\Program files (x86)\Winamp) .

My O.S. is Windows 7 SP1.

It seems 2 main problems:
- I open the media library (Alt+L) correctly, but when I double-clic on "WINAMP LIBRARY" up bar nothing happens (it should retract as previous version). This happened too in another newer version than I tested some years ago (newer than 5.666).
- General purpose plugins: gen_tray.dll appears as NOT LOADED (I cannot show my play-pause, next, back, stop buttons on my Windows bar).
- Lots of .dll seems to be "NOT LOADED". Maybe previous version 5.666 one's and I could/should delete it?

How to go back to 5.666? Could I re-install 5.666 and overwrite it?

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Old 8th August 2022, 16:50   #205
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I have installed "winamp59_9999_rc1_full_en-us.exe" but I did not uninstall the previous version (5.666). I choose same folder as version 5.666 (C:\Program files (x86)\Winamp) .

My O.S. is Windows 7 SP1.

It seems 2 main problems:
- I open the media library (Alt+L) correctly, but when I double-clic on "WINAMP LIBRARY" up bar nothing happens (it should retract as previous version). This happened too in another newer version than I tested some years ago (newer than 5.666).
- General purpose plugins: gen_tray.dll appears as NOT LOADED (I cannot show my play-pause, next, back, stop buttons on my Windows bar).
- Lots of .dll seems to be "NOT LOADED". Maybe previous version 5.666 one's and I could/should delete it?

How to go back to 5.666? Could I re-install 5.666 and overwrite it?

MANY THANKS!
Another point:
- Cannot add certain podcasts URLs: for example, http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/so...250/sounds.rss (and other hosted by other podcast sites like Podomatic).
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Both those issues are referenced in the first post.

Some 1st-party gen & ml plugins are not loading on Windows 7-8.1
We are aiming to fix this for the next public release, hopefully coming soon...

In the meantime, yes, you can go back to 5.666 or 5.8.

Some podcast subscriptions not working is due to the ML (Podcasts Directory, Online Services, etc) using IE10 engine.
Some sites, including soundcloud.com no longer support Internet Explorer, so those podcast subscriptions won't work.

Did podcast subscriptions from soundcloud work in 5.666?

We aim to replace the IE engine with Chromium or Mozilla for a future release, hopefully 5.9.1.
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Yeah, I should have mentioned podcasts earlier. Since the subject came up above, I can add podcasts from "The Conversation" website for example, by using their RSS Feed link *easily in that alternative version of Winamp* but not in 5.9 RC1. I can only add podcasts from the Podcast Directory which is pretty limiting. Once you change the engine, that should work.

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What I want to know before I install this new (probably buggy) version: Does it still whip the Llama's A$$?
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I had to disable the Vorbis input plugin because some opus files use the .ogg file extension, and the Vorbis plugin doesn't play them. I configured the DirectShow plugin to play .ogg files instead.
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Yes it does.
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What I want to know before I install this new (probably buggy) version: Does it still whip the Llama's A$$?
Read through the thread. Depending on what version of Windows you're running, it might be very buggy or not. You'll also find posts for some older plugins that still work, including standalone Album Art. But please do read through the thread before making any assumptions. The answers to a LOT of questions are there. For me, it's really whipping the Llama's A&&!

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I'm absolutely thrilled. Winamp hasn't crashed since 5.9.0 was installed. My setup has dual Winamp instances taking up the top left of my 1080p screen, surrounded by seven 480x270 cameras. The left Winamp plays AVS, and Milkdrop plays on the right while reading articles and books over distributed end-to-end harmonic mixing. Because I can't fully publicize what I do with my AI host migration, I don't bother, but I live enhanced by its entrainment. If I went straight to Shoutcast could I find a sympathetic audience to help me with my Audio Visual programming?
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I'm absolutely thrilled. Winamp hasn't crashed since 5.9.0 was installed. My setup has dual Winamp instances taking up the top left of my 1080p screen, surrounded by seven 480x270 cameras. The left Winamp plays AVS, and Milkdrop plays on the right while reading articles and books over distributed end-to-end harmonic mixing. Because I can't fully publicize what I do with my AI host migration, I don't bother, but I live enhanced by its entrainment. If I went straight to Shoutcast could I find a sympathetic audience to help me with my Audio Visual programming?
That sounds absolutely awesome! What version of Windows are you running? Which Winamp skin do you use?

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I'm absolutely thrilled. Winamp hasn't crashed since 5.9.0 was installed. My setup has dual Winamp instances taking up the top left of my 1080p screen, surrounded by seven 480x270 cameras. The left Winamp plays AVS, and Milkdrop plays on the right while reading articles and books over distributed end-to-end harmonic mixing. Because I can't fully publicize what I do with my AI host migration, I don't bother, but I live enhanced by its entrainment. If I went straight to Shoutcast could I find a sympathetic audience to help me with my Audio Visual programming?
Until six days ago, Winamp used to crash a lot but nothing else was good enough for my distributed playlist AI. Here's a 54KB screenshot: -

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Or we could just add it to the FAQs (forum, wiki, Help, etc), i.e. if Winamp doesn't load at all on Win7-8.1, please install this!
Given how small the amount of people who actually read and document themselves, I'd dare to say it would be the best option to add those 13mb to the installer in order to contain the Win 7/8 version.
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Oh, you are all so kind and lovely!

I wanted to thank you very very much for the nice surprise,
but especially for thinking of me and working so hard on "5.9 RC1"...

The July 26th was my 55th birthday...
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That sounds absolutely awesome! What version of Windows are you running? Which Winamp skin do you use?
Hey Phoenix, I use Windows 10 Pro, Winamp Azenis Skin: installation requires own copy of TextAloud and Voices, with plenty of deal breaking prerequisites needed to mix distributed playlists by intensity, key, bpm, genre, all via Rapid Evolution 3 for my Ingrid AI.
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We could make the Winamp installer check the registry to see if it's already installed, and if not, attempt to download and install it - but as we've found with DirectX and WM9, it doesn't always work (probably because of local firewall blocking it).

Or we could add that MS installer to our installer (maybe have a separate installer for Win7-8.1)?
But it would add anything up to 13mb to our installer...
My suggestion for the installer's behavior would be:

1. Detect if it is needed (e.g., scan registry whether already installed or Windows 10 or newer detected where it isn't needed)...

2. If needed, display a message about the fact that this runtime is needed and offer to automatically download and install.

3. If this fails (firewall, no internet, etc.), display the user a link (copyable) where they can download the Redistributable manually, and clear out that Winamp won't run properly on their OS until this runtime is installed.

That's the way many commercial software products are doing it and I think it's the best compromise for all edge-cases.

Until then, I think I'll wait for RC2/Final which will fix a couple of bugs and will be able to load JTFE - no matter what his creator says about it...

(Whom I, btw, still really have respect for because of his great work, but just cannot understand that silly beef he has with the Winamp team - I mean as a plugin creator I should be happy if my plugins are used by the software I wrote them for, especially when at one time this plugin had been moved to the default distribution of that software... - which in my opinion means that that last version has been "licensed" to Winamp in some way so they would have the right to continue distributing it anyway, but i'm not a lawyer.

And anybody who desperately NEEDS Win XP/7 or older OS compatibility for their Retro systems, you can still use 5.666 or even more classic 2.x versions. Noone's going to stop or judge you. Really, I am a big fan of backwards-compatibility, it being the heart, soul and DNA of the whole PC and Windows ecosystem. Also I have great respect and sympathy for the whole retro-scene. BUT, at the end, it shouldn't stop us from modernizing current infrastructures, build systems etc.)

Anyway, back to topic - and thanks for the ongoing development on Winamp!!!

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My suggestion for the installer's behavior would be:

1. Detect if it is needed (e.g., scan registry whether already installed or Windows 10 or newer detected where it isn't needed)...

2. If needed, display a message about the fact that this runtime is needed and offer to automatically download and install.

3. If this fails (firewall, no internet, etc.), display the user a link (copyable) where they can download the Redistributable manually, and clear out that Winamp won't run properly on their OS until this runtime is installed.

That's the way many commercial software products are doing it and I think it's the best compromise for all edge-cases.

Yes, that's how we do it for DirectX (d3dx9_31.dll and d3dx9_42.dl) and Windows Media 9.
Though the link for those isn't currently copyable.

We'll look at adding it...
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Copyable, or maybe even clickable (opening it in the user's Default browser)... though that may be useless if the reason for the failed download is that the machine isn't currently connected to the Internet, so the browser won't display the download page as well...).

But on the other hand, it's unlikely that the user then will copy the copyable link, save it to a text file, take it to a PC connected to the Web, download the Redists, take them back, install them.... But at least, they'd have the opportunity to so then.

I'm sure you will find a good solution for a UX that works.
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The DSP download link is down. Any alternative?
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C++ Runtime Error on startup, but then it seems to open and function fine...

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And anybody who desperately NEEDS Win XP/7 or older OS compatibility for their Retro systems, you can still use 5.666 or even more classic 2.x versions. Noone's going to stop or judge you. Really, I am a big fan of backwards-compatibility, it being the heart, soul and DNA of the whole PC and Windows ecosystem. Also I have great respect and sympathy for the whole retro-scene. BUT, at the end, it shouldn't stop us from modernizing current infrastructures, build systems etc.)
Man, I couldn't agree more. That Discord mentioned above is full of these Retro-users and Retro-gamers with their ancient equipment and displays that they refuse to upgrade. Hey, I was into RetroOS/Games with the Amiga via UAE for years but I never fooled myself into thinking the Amiga was still relevant (it was the coolest computer I ever owned back in 1989-1994). 5.9 should never be sacrificed just to make the Win 7/8.1 users happy.

Give them a set of instructions to get 5.9 running either in the Installer or here on the Forum with a big Sticky but above all, move on toward the Final Release.

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Sorry, I should have added to the above...but they always complained when things wouldn't run on their OS or their equipment. At least 5.9 will run on Win 7/8.1 it if they don't panic and follow some instructions.

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I see some people here deciding to switch back to 5.666 just for the sake of skin and playslist juggling, installer nuances and the like.
It means they do not care much about the sound quality, which is significantly improved in 5.9 RC1 over 5.666.
I gave some suggestions for the sound improvement, but without any reaction, including the developer.
After all, Winamp is a player, and supposed to sound as good as possible. Or I'm wrong?
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After all, Winamp is a player, and supposed to sound as good as possible. Or I'm wrong?
hitting the nail right on the head.

It all stands or falls with your soundcard and the speakers you are using on your PC.
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hitting the nail right on the head.

It all stands or falls with your soundcard and the speakers you are using on your PC.
That's all there is. I might add whatever job the sound processing software bundled with the soundcard or provided by the OS for the soundcard does for you.

Winamp's decoders(s) have been upgraded. I suppose you could throw in how well a job the encoder used to convert the original CD (or vinyl or tape) to the digital format of your choice - FLAC (or ALAC - there's a 3rd party decoder on this forum), mp3, aac, etc., etc. does for you as well.

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Issue with modern skin /equalizer presets

every time I launch winamp, it shows me the following message:

"You are attempting to use a modern skin ("winamp modern") but have not installed the modern skin support plug-in required to load these skins.

you will need to re-run Winamp installer and ensure you select modern skin support to be able to use this skin"

I already install winamp three times, I check the checkbox related to modern skin support but this issue is still there, after that winamp crashes.

Another issue is, why the equalizer presets is in chinese?

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Newest Winamp

Looking good!

Just a couple of questions:

1. How do I suppress the displaying of album covers?
2. How do I display JUST the playlist?
3. Are there skins available or is it better just to stick with "the basics" for now?

It has been a while since I have used this, but it is good to see you guys back.

Looking forward to the next iteration.

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it happen this morning . I realise winamp stopped. restarted,push file from library-file does not start playback - Shoutcast DSP stopping and Windows asked to close programm. nothing changed even after laptop restarted.
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it happen this morning . I realise winamp stopped. restarted,push file from library-file does not start playback - Shoutcast DSP stopping and Windows asked to close programm. nothing changed even after laptop restarted.
Sorted out after full reinstall of player.
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Good evening,
first of all I would like to say that I don't know English very well.
I have tried to read all the previous pages but I am not sure to understand everything.
Thank you for resurrecting WINAMP, I feel like I'm 25 years younger!
I have of course some questions:
- I can't figure out how to activate wasapi reading.
- I'm not sure I understand the spectrum analyzer display, it doesn't correspond to anything either in level or in frequency.

Thanks again for your work!!!
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Is there any way to import saved smart views from winamp 5.666 to winamp 5.9?C:\Users\user\Desktop\Smart Views.JPG
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We can't see your link , you can't link to your own computer.
post it as an attachment or upload it to your webspace and link to that.
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post it as an attachment or upload it to your webspace and link to that.
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Hi all, I am using 5.9 RC1, W11 and a 4K monitor and the Winamp menu bar freezes after 1 use, I have to close it from Task Manager to make it unfreeze but again only works once.

Also when trying to upscale to make it look better nothing happens no matter what skin I try.

I have uninstalled/reinstalled it many times. I might be thick but i cannot see this problem mentioned anywhere and it might be just my system.
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Also when trying to upscale to make it look better nothing happens no matter what skin I try.
Have you tried to set the scaling settings from within Winamps options itself?, there are some scaling options specific for a given type of skins: modern, classic, etc.
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Have you tried to set the scaling settings from within Winamps options itself?, there are some scaling options specific for a given type of skins: modern, classic, etc.
Thanks for the answer, yes I have but they don't take effect when i change them, then I have to close Winamp because the menu bar freezes
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Originally Posted by septimus View Post
Thanks for the answer, yes I have but they don't take effect when i change them, then I have to close Winamp because the menu bar freezes
Ouch, sorry to hear, and hope for them to solve that issue soon.
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