Old 26th October 2012, 02:20   #1
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IPOD 80GB Synced, but no music shows on it

I have just downloaded the newest version of Winamp (not pro version, but free version) and got all my music files on my PC into my library. I then plugged in my just bought Ipod I bought on Ebay...it's a beautiful 80 GB 6th Gen Ipod. It had music on it when I got it delivered, but since I DON'T USE ITUNES, I had to reformat it to my Windows 7 PC when I plugged it in and it erased everything, something I was expecting. So, it was basically back to new.

I synced it to my Winamp and transferred all the music files I have in my library to the Ipod. The sync went fine, no problems. When all done, I waited for the sync to stop, then waited to disconnect the Ipod from my PC until I had done it "safely" through the eject hardware route and once it was safe to disconnect, I did. I then checked my Ipod.....no music was showing. I plugged in the Ipod to my PC and opened it as a disc mode. All the music and music files were showing in the Ipod. I repeated the process, and same result. The Ipod is showing all these music files that had been transferred from Winamp, but no music at all on the Ipod when I try to listen to a song on it.

I have seen thousands of posts on similar things, thousands of responses, etc. and it's all very confusing, because they all use Ituines. I don't use ITunes, don't have it on my PC. I had an older Ipod and was able to upload all my winamp songs onto that Ipod with no problem. This Ipod looks brand new and everything seems to work beautifully on it. It even looks brand new. The guy who I bought it from on Ebay obviously had no problems downloading a few thousand songs from ITunes plus album art after I had bought it, cuz it came loaded with songs/artists/albums that I had asked him to put on the Ipod if I won the auction, which he did. So the Ipod worked very very well to do that.

I saw in the winamp forums someone asked a similar thing and someone wrote in saying it was a winamp Ipod plugin issue and gave a link....I tried to get this link several times, but it was not there.

Does ANYONE have an idea on how to do this without using ITunes? I run Windows 7, again don't have ITunes even downloaded on my PC. I reformatted the Ipod and of course lost all the preloaded tunes, but it should be able to sync with Winamp library and load up? It looks like it has all my songs on it after syncing with winamp, but when I turn the Ipod on, it shows "NO MUSIC."

Please help!!!!! Any tricks? And why is it showing loaded with songs, but not showing up in the Ipod when I press menu?

Any help would be appreciated!!!
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Old 13th December 2012, 00:20   #2
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I'm sorry nobody has answered your post yet.
The community spirit is sometimes lacking in these forums.
to my knowledge it is a problem of Apple's strategy of forcing users into itunes and the itunes store.

It seems ironic that microsoft was once hit wih an anti-trust lawsuit and forbidden to bundle its media player wih Windows in Europe. Yet Apple can sell hardware crippled to prevent the use of third party software.

I am also looking for a way around this hopefully using Winamp. If the developers put their mind to it they can do it. I'll post my findings here and if you have any progress please do the same.


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Old 15th December 2012, 16:43   #3
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Apple block access to their iDevices. They want you to use their shop based product iTunes.

In the old days they allowed other developers and products to access their devices. Now it is all about lock-in and lack of choice.

Plenty of posts dotted around about this. nothing that Winamp can do.


One trick is to use both Winamp and itunes on a PC. Use Winamp to organise your music, and let iTunes copy them to the device.
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Old 16th December 2012, 04:56   #4
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my point is that there is a precedent for this as an antitrust issue.

'the devs can do it if they put their mind to it' - I stand by that as a statement of belief.
the problem is as you stated so well, Apples petty philosophy.

I wish to reject itunes based on this but still use the hardware I paid for.

forward to a solution. this isn't rocket science
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Old 16th December 2012, 12:41   #5
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No, the devs cannot do this. They are locked out of the iPod. They would need an official API from Apple, but Apple will not release this. They have a lock-in philosophy. The iPod has its own proprietary database on their devices with clear Ts and Cs about not reverse engineering it.

Yes Apple are petty, and really frustrating that they are allowed to get away with a monopoly situation, but it is not Winamp devs who can do anything about that.

This is not about lazy devs not doing the work.

If your iPod is still new, you should return it and get a better more open player. That is the only way that Apple will eventually change if their users demand a more open product.
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Old 16th December 2012, 13:05   #6
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they can do it but it wouldn't be legal
just semantics to some but an element of style to others
it wouldn't be reverse engineeing if in the course of updating the pugin they changed the format of their database to one the device could recognize so long as that database code itself weren't restricted and whatever might be argued.

or how about a way to 'jailbreak' the device itself? the worst they can void the warranty.

I'm asking rhetorically ; I already mashed mine up with a hammer melted it into a gob with a blowtorch and
fired it from a water cannon through the window of an apple store.


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Old 16th December 2012, 13:26   #7
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Winamp follow the law closely. Look at the payment for an MP3 licence. So they are unlikely to reverse engineer Apple devices as Apple have big lawyers.

Not having an iPod myself, I have never spent any time trying to see how other players will handle this. If other players out there can handle iPods, then someone could create a third party plugin to handle it. But I get a feeling that no one else out there does it either.

Personally I think your technique is far more preferable. I am not sure about the water cannon part as that would cool down that molten iPod too much. I would probably stick with the traditional catapult.
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you're correct of course but try to find a proper catapult on Amazon.

i read reports that Foobar can load the new nano's so maybe it*s possible or permissable.
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you're correct of course but try to find a proper catapult on Amazon.
Well... here in the UK version of Amazon we have a good selection. Everything from da Vinci models up to nasty looking Barrett Cobra's (I thought a Barrett was a sniper rifle?)

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i read reports that Foobar can load the new nano's so maybe it*s possible or permissable.
When doing a quick Google, I saw some system with Media Monkey using part of an iTunes installation to get it work sync. Even a small part of Apple software would be too much for my PCs. Yucky stuff.

I bet they are both still skating on the edge of legality. You could dig out the Ts and Cs of the Apple agreements as I expect there is all kinds of stuff in there about not being able to do logical, sensible things with the hardware. (I would read it myself, but not sure if my sanity would hold long enough...)

There are plenty of threads around on Apple iStuff and Winamp. A number of them have had devs step in and explain why they are not allowed to produce the software.

Just imagine if Apple had released a CD player - they would have come up with special shaped disks. Probably a rectangle with copyrighted curved corners.
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Old 16th December 2012, 14:41   #10
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If your iPod is still new, you should return it and get a better more open player. That is the only way that Apple will eventually change if their users demand a more open product.
Any players you would recommend? My Sansa Fuze is getting pretty old and I don't really like the new Fuze's. (Sorry for thread hijack)
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Any players you would recommend? My Sansa Fuze is getting pretty old and I don't really like the new Fuze's. (Sorry for thread hijack)
Sorry. can't really help. I just play my FLAC tracks back through my Blackberry Bold 9780 phone now. So for me, the most important thing to find is FLAC playback. I'd also want to have a device which let me add my own microSD cards.

The main tip I will pass on is - whatever you buy, get a decent set of headphones to go with it. I picked up a set of Sennheiser headphones around £25 for my phone and the audio quality took a huge leap.

IMHO this is why iPods supply cruddy little low quality headphones with their iDevices so you cannot hear how bad MP3\M4A is with all that compression. But maybe I am just a bit of an audio snob there.
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okay lets put the thread back on course. I totally agree about zero tolerance for itunes having tried it and given it a second and third chance and it always tries to undermine my preferences especially regarding updates. it does not abide by your decision to decline update checks.

but nevermind why I dislike itunes. I really love Winamp.
that's why while media monkey and foobar can fill the new nano, I want a Winamp solution.
and my thinking is if Winamp adopts media monkey's protocol, under open source license, that is not a case of reverse engineering.

I am going to try to sync my friend's nano with foobar today, before we put it in the microwave

I'll post my results.
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Old 17th December 2012, 02:39   #13
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's why while media monkey and foobar can fill the new nano, I want a Winamp solution.
and my thinking is if Winamp adopts media monkey's protocol, under open source license, that is not a case of reverse engineering.
from what i remember, MM and foo_dop effectively use the same method (either re-using the official Apple dlls or something else) which to my knowledge has never been openly documented so it could be 're-used'.

there was some other project which i remember getting some interest but cannot remember what it was. otherwise ml_ipod (3rd party) is based on gtkpod (aka Libgpod) and the native pmp_ipod is something similar as well (though i could be wrong and in either case they're likely very different from what is now available or was available at the time).


so just magically having a library / means to support the newer devices doesn't mean it would happen. yes portables still sell a lot (but no where near like they were when the native pmp support was added). and with the focus on such things having shifted and so have dev resources to the point where even if there was a magic solution to support the newer iPods, it'd unlikely make it to the top of things being worked on in a time scale you'd like.

really the best thing to do is that you'll have to use an alternative software which works as Winamp is unlikely to support them.

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the ml_pod project page has posted basically that it didn't expect new compatibility updates which I suspect might have something to do with Winamp including its own plugin.

for now, since winamp does fill the nanos, if foobar or mediamonkey can then rebuild or rewrite a readable database that would be the best interim solution.
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this is why i don't like apple, or use their gear, b/c the way apple does things is offensive.

but, the wife likes it so she has a mac, itunes, ipod, etc... and i have np with that. its just that i realize you can't cross the streams, b/c of apple.

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OKAy !
.”+‹ SORTED >+"

so just fill the nano with your winamp.

then close winamp and open mediamonkey.

then right click your ipod and select 'rebuild database'.

fix a cup of tea.

eject ipod. enjoy!

album art, playlists all intact. really really simple
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@supersonator: Now THAT is what I call a beautifully simple solution!!

I assume that means no need for iTunes to be on the PC at all?

This HAS to get into a FAQ somewhere. Oh keepers of the FAQ are you reading?

(I'll have to try that out at my mates house when I see her tomorrow... see if it works on her iPod as well)
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no itunes installed whatsoever.

as workarounds go, it is unusually elegant.

let me know how it goes!
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I notice that the most important step in those instructions is the Fix a Cup of Tea. I assume nothing works unless you do that as per HHGTTG rules.
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absolutely. a missed cup of tea can prolong any windows problem for 12-24 hours.
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ps

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it crossfades....
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can someone tests if it works on ipods or iphones as well?

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can someone tests if it works on ipods or iphones as well?
Mr Sinatra we await the results of your test. We salute you.
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unfortunately my wife has her ipod touch, and so i am unable to test at this time.

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One thing to note when installiing Mediamonkey.

go through the installation options carefully or it might overwrite your file associations.
not the end of the world but will save you time changing them back to watch out for it.

here's the link:

http://www.mediamonkey.com/

now as they announce ipod5 support right on their website I think it's fairly legal and if winamp issues an update for their new ipod plugin to rebuild the databse in the same way we won't need at all.

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OKAy !
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so just fill the nano with your winamp.

then close winamp and open mediamonkey.

then right click your ipod and select 'rebuild database'.

fix a cup of tea.

eject ipod. enjoy!

album art, playlists all intact. really really simple

Hi,

I followed the steps as outlined above and it worked which was great.

However I return to Winamp to add more songs to my nano 7g and can't find any music on the device anymore (existing or a 'music' folder to add new music). When unplugged I can play the music but I have lost the ability to add music via Winamp. Did you have the same problem?
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