Old 24th March 2003, 08:35   #1
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A simple answer to global warming

The Sun is getting hotter.

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In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming (news - web sites), a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s.

Further satellite observations may eventually show the trend to be short-term. But if the change has indeed persisted at the present rate through the 20th Century, "it would have provided a significant component of the global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports to have occurred over the past 100 years," he said.

That does not mean industrial pollution has not been a significant factor, Willson cautioned.

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Old 24th March 2003, 08:36   #2
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Old 24th March 2003, 08:37   #3
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I also find it interesting, if a little scary.

I liked it better when we thought it was all pollution. At least that we have some control over.
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Old 24th March 2003, 08:44   #4
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Our climate has been oddly stable for about 10000 years. We're supposed to have much larger changes in climate. It doesn't really make much sense to start with.

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Old 24th March 2003, 08:50   #5
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It's kind of odd, but I've never even thought about the temperature of the Sun in all this before I read that. I don't have a lot of time for all this environmental lark, there have been huge shifts in weather over the centuaries, ice ages and the magnetic poles reversing etc.

I saw somewhere, Top Gear I think, that car emissions ammouont to less than one percent of all CO2 emmissions produced. So although cleaner cars are a good think, for health reasons, I don't think pushing for more use of public transport, with those amazingly high polluters, the busses, is the best idea.

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Old 24th March 2003, 08:56   #6
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Public transportation is an excellent idea.

It's just too bad that it's so impractical in countries like the United States, where there's just so much space. I also think many people have an almost sacred link to their automobiles, and would loathe to give them up.
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i heard about this the other day, and this could account for 1/3 of global warming.

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I saw somewhere, Top Gear I think, that car emissions ammouont to less than one percent of all CO2 emmissions produced. So although cleaner cars are a good think, for health reasons, I don't think pushing for more use of public transport, with those amazingly high polluters, the busses, is the best idea.
So do you support that wily Kyoto treaty?
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i heard about this the other day, and this could account for 1/3 of global warming.

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They don't know how much this could account for. Possibly all of it. Possibly none. It's entirely possible that all the global warming we've experienced is totally natural.

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Old 24th March 2003, 10:23   #10
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So do you support that wily Kyoto treaty?
Yes because that had a big focus on the pollution caused by buisness and factories, something that accounts for a massive percentage, (I have no figures at hand, 30% rings bells), of the worlds Co2 emmisions.

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what effect is it having exactly? never fear! the brits are here!

or there. in 20 years or so.

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funny how it's allmost only scientist that are employed my the car manufacturers and oil companies who thinks that most of the global warming are not caused by us.
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the obvious answer is that I'm getting hotter everyday!

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funny how it's allmost only scientist that are employed my the car manufacturers and oil companies who thinks that most of the global warming are not caused by us.
Funny how you say that, but you have no actual evidence that your accusations are true.

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http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/ne...06/ixhome.html

Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists

Claims that man-made pollution is causing "unprecedented" global warming have been seriously undermined by new research which shows that the Earth was warmer during the Middle Ages.

From the outset of the global warming debate in the late 1980s, environmentalists have said that temperatures are rising higher and faster than ever before, leading some scientists to conclude that greenhouse gases from cars and power stations are causing these "record-breaking" global temperatures.

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Such claims have now been sharply contradicted by the most comprehensive study yet of global temperature over the past 1,000 years. A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.

The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.

The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.

They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again - but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.

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I have a hard time believing in the Global Warming Theorem, mainly because of the way the theory was reached. Also, simple science tells me that Ozone is in fact, heavier than oxygen, and CFC's heavier than air. I don't believe in an "Ozone Layer," and don't believe in Glabal warming, or holes over Antarctica.
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