Old 23rd February 2005, 03:46   #1
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Threat To Open Source Software

Hello folks, I realize this is a little off topic, but I think it's very important subject that needs to be heard where ever there are people who use, write, and in general love Open Source Software.

An industry consortium called OASIS is going to enact new rules on 15 April 2005. These rules involve the use of software patents in OPEN STANDARDS. These rules will in effect prohibit the distribution of Open Source Software starting 15 April 2005.

Here is a link to the article that describes this issue, with an opportunity for those of you who love and want OSS to continue as it always has to put in your two cents on this issue.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...50222131432302

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Old 23rd February 2005, 15:04   #2
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Old 23rd February 2005, 20:26   #3
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thats something that realy pisses me off theese days, why does this OASIS company even care about open source sofware, stopping it benifits them in no way.
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Old 23rd February 2005, 20:52   #4
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Who wants to go kill them?

I'm in.
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Old 23rd February 2005, 21:04   #5
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what is this OASIS company? what do they do?

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Old 23rd February 2005, 21:19   #6
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So, for what I understood, if I did at all, the only ones that cannot be distributed are the OASIS related ones ... yes ?

Can someone really explain this ?!

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Old 23rd February 2005, 22:01   #7
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I'm in.
That's two!

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Old 23rd February 2005, 22:48   #8
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This only applys to OASIS supported standard, if I read it correctly. So Open Source can just ignore these new "Standards". Kinda like the MS HTML "Standard"...or MP3Pro (anyone remember that one?)
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Old 23rd February 2005, 23:28   #9
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Until this becomes international law, I'm not worried.

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Old 24th February 2005, 04:56   #10
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So, for what I understood, if I did at all, the only ones that cannot be distributed are the OASIS related ones ... yes ?

Can someone really explain this ?!
OASIS is not a company. It is a standards group. They propose adding patented "open standards" Large software makers like Microsoft have a huge stake in it, because they will be able to choke off small companies that rely on the GPL and LGPL licenses, which are incompatible with patented software.

It's like, what if Microsoft patented the open standard that allows different office suite programs to exchange documents, OpenOffice.org, and Corel Office 12 [or whatever it's called), for example. Then OpenOffice.org would have to stop because the GPL does not allow the use of patented software, but a big company like Corel can keep right on, becaause there are no such restrictions in its license. Well, Corel would love this, because then they could market to all of the OpenOffice.org users out there that have to stop using the software, because of the way software patent laws are written.

The decission OASIS made is not a law that is going to pass, it is an agreement made by companies, like Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, etc to implement these standards in their future software. The resulting licenses will lock the GPL and LGPL out.

This agreement will go into effect 15 APRIL 2005. A couple of months from now. If you want to put in your two cents about this and try to put a stop to it, then I suggest you re-read that article, collect your thoughts, and compose an email that you can submit to the link the open letter provides. They will then, with all of the emails they've collected, formally protest the move by the OASIS. They will try to get all of the hundreds of companies that are members but did not vote, to go against this idea in order to influence the OASIS to reverse their decission.

Since this is an international standards body, it is not regulated by any particular laws. So, really, they can do this if no one raises a fuss over it. You've go till 15 April 2005.
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linux users/supporters will probably get pissed at this as well as it would be affecting their OS.

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Old 11th July 2005, 06:25   #12
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More than half of the servers in the world are some flavor of free linux.

It seems apparent, due to the things that happened with deCSS and MPEG technologies lately, that open source software could be in some trouble.

Some proprietary software would probably have some problems too. Maybe even Winamp, or some other media player near you.

Word processors, media players and encryption software are gonna be the most affected, if this situation comes to fruition.

Can you imagine the economic disaster that would result from license fees for 65% of the worlds computers?.
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I'm in.
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Old 11th July 2005, 11:42   #14
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I've not yet seen anything from OASIS that has affected the OpenSource comunity, wonder if its flopped or are they just waiting for an opertunity to present itself?

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I'm confused... I thought software patenting was not possible?

Also, didn't the EU recently put that down?

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Also, the first post said that nobody would be distrubiting software after April 15, 2005. I don't know about you guys, but I've been obtaining and using lots of OSS since then.

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As I said before, its either flopped, or there biding there time.

I doubt that there cunning enough to do that, but its possible.

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I was worried about it until I saw it was on Groklaw (although a biased source in principle, they're usually fairly diplomatic about their releases) and that it was signed by Guido "Python" van Rossum, who's not especially known as an extremist in a real way.

Now I'm worried.

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I'm confused... I thought software patenting was not possible?

Also, didn't the EU recently put that down?
The debate was about the uniformity of the enforcement in the EU. Some of the member countries have different laws than others. It remains this way. The matter will be reconsidered in three years.

Software patents are alive and well. Especially in the US. Some EU member countries have laws which allow for some open source technology, that is not legal in the US or other EU nations.

How many patents a typical linux distribution would contain is unknown, but it appears that patent holders can enforce their patents. At least in the US and much of the EU.
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