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Old 25th June 2003, 09:56   #1
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Can you justify the downloading of songs. Yes or No?

A yes/no answer would be appreciated:

YES!

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Old 25th June 2003, 10:02   #2
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yes.

I would have to drive to London and pay £17 for any album I wanted that was imported from Greece because I mostly listen to Greek music.

I download all the Greek music I want to home here and when I go on holiday to Greece / Cyprus I spend large amounts on the cd's.

I fail to see the damage I am causing as I am paying the artists in the process, even if it is a few months after I hear the album.

The same with Michelle Branch's album "Hotel Paper" that came out yesterday. I went in town with the intent to buy it, they told me it isn coming out on July 7th in the UK, I though fuck that, so I downloaded it (and am listening to it now) and I will buy it on the 7th when it comes out in a nation that gets everything last...
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Old 25th June 2003, 12:51   #4
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Old 25th June 2003, 12:58   #5
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Is that beacuse you've been forking-out on broad-band??

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Old 25th June 2003, 13:00   #6
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I have no problem with d/ling music off the net. I have a fair collection of rares and music before they put it on CD. W/o mp3's around this forum won't exist, MP3 players wont exist and digital technology would be futile. Plus why the hell are some bands complaining, you would think they get enough money to live on off of their concerts?

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Old 25th June 2003, 13:47   #8
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No. There is simply no way to legally justify it.

You can tell yourself you're doing the right thing, that the music industries evil, that you wouldnt buy it anyway, that music's too expensive blahblahblah...

If you dont want to pay for it, go without, or break the law and risk the consequences.
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Old 25th June 2003, 14:24   #9
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Here's how I justify it. I love music and there are hundreds of thousands of CD's out there. Some are worth my money, and a lot of them aren't. I know because I've bought a hell of a lot of them.

I think I do what most music lover's do. I download songs from CD's I would never buy. Even if I couldn't find the song to download, I wouldn't buy the CD. How is that hurting the music industry?
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Old 25th June 2003, 15:26   #10
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Definatly

I believe downloading the songs helps the artist because if people like it, most people go buy the CD anyhow.


SO I SAY YES!
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Old 25th June 2003, 15:32   #11
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YES!

i have limited income!

i have to go buy the new biffy clyro album now. i think you should too. pimp pimp.

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Old 25th June 2003, 16:12   #12
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Apollos - do something about your sig!
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Old 25th June 2003, 16:19   #13
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I justify since there are apps and tools to make it possible


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Old 25th June 2003, 16:39   #14
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i like music because you can download it.

therefore yes, because i... um... i can do it because i want to!
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Old 25th June 2003, 16:47   #15
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i lack what it takes to feel that justification is neccasary. i can, so i will.
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Old 25th June 2003, 17:15   #16
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No. It's easier to spend time downloading songs if you don't have to spend time justifying it.
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Old 25th June 2003, 18:31   #17
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Yes. If I didn't download music, I wouldn't be able to go to university. I'd go crazy without good music (and without new music, after a time), and I have to pay for university, so I can't pay for music.

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Old 25th June 2003, 19:48   #18
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Steak rules on a large scale
Music is wonderful, it can inspire so many thoughts, feelings and
emotions, it is what we as a race of semi intelligent individuals have been enjoying for centuries and centuries, from the first cave man who hit a bone on another bone to make a sound he liked to Beethoven’s ninth, music has been enjoyed and celebrated.

However like everything else that is natural and beautiful those bastards have raped, pillaged, destroyed, pre packaged it and slapped it on a plastic box.

And of course, they want you to pay for it. And if they can't satisfy
their greed, they get angry, angry and legal.

Which leads me to my next point

I hate the RIAA

What is the RIAA? Well the RIAA stands for "the Recording Industry
Association of America"

What does it do? It pretends to protect the rights of artists, while
all the time protecting its own corporate fat cats pockets.

These 'people', along with the record companies are the total scum of
the universe, they are the rapists and the murderers.

Which leads me to the next item in my ongoing collection of next points. If by some freak chance actually work for the RIAA or a record company, then bugger off. Don't read any of this, I hate you. I don't care if you love me or what I write. You deserve to die, I hate you, you have no excuse for what it is you do, you are the total lowest of the low, the shitist of the shit. Go and suck a tailpipe.

Why do I hate these people so much?

Because they are rapists of art and beauty, and for what ends, what
else? Money.

Music should be free; but I understand that this is a little unrealistic, but I think that all music should at the most just cost
the amount that the blank media costs. And if downloaded from the
Internet, should be 100% free.

Did you know that when you step into a store, and spend that $30 on
that new CD to get 18 songs, most of which are crap anyway, you are
giving 80% of that money to the RIAA and the record labels, for
advertising and labelling.

If you ask me, if music needs advertising to get it through to people, then it's not worth much in the first place.

And what happens when music becomes free, through file sharing programs or something similar, the RIAA steps in and shuts them down, that’s what.

They recently shut down audiogalxy. The best music file sharing
program ever. This really annoyed me. I could no longer get those
rare live tracks or b-sides that I wanted. I have to put up with
Kazza’s shitty selection and bad download speeds.

They say they don't like these file sharing programs because people
are downloading copyrighted music all the time, and this infringes
on artists copyright and the artist don't get paid.

This is not true, they don't care about the artists at all they just
care that they aren’t getting the money that they want. If Moby came
up to me with a C90 tape full of his new songs and asked me for $6
for the thing I would buy it from him. If virgin records and the
RIAA came up to me and asked me for $24 for the box with a nice
picture of Moby on it and a nice piece of paper saying I had the
right to own this music, then I would tell them to get stuffed.

They will tell you that if you don't give them your money there will
be no fresh talent emerging. I personally reckon that with the
standard of 'fresh talent' that is emerging, (ie Brittany Spears,
nsync and other ultra sonic crap) I don't think that it would be
much of a loss.

They will tell you that all this will happen if you use a p2p
network or burn a music CD. I wish is all I can say, I wish.

We finally had a way to stand up to the record companies and the
RIAA and say, "I don’t think so, I am not going to spend $30 on a
CD that’s just crap!"

When a bought my music I felt bad, knowing that now because I
wanted to listen to said music I was giving most of the money I
spend on it to the record labels. And I couldn't stand it.

But of course when it comes down to it money is the thing that
counts, if somebody can make money from something then they will
try their upmost hardest to do so. Wether it is morally wrong or
wether it is right, they don't care, because they are getting
green backs for it. So they are happy.

It’s just a shame that the average music lover doesn't get a say
in the matter.
That justification enough?

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Old 25th June 2003, 20:15   #19
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yeah 'coz it's too DAYUM expensive to buy some thrity dollar CD for 2 songs you like, I'm too DAYUM lazy, I have no DAYUM money, so DAAAAAAYYUMMMMM!

*CKKK* Yes, I know this was a completely retarded post, and I could have explained my reasons much better, but I believe I have already done so in the many previous RIAA and MP3 Downloading threads... So I'm just havin' some fun, so sue me. Over. *CKKK*

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That quoted post above mine almost sang next to my soul with the opinion expressed, it's mine in total. Very well put. //edit

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Old 25th June 2003, 20:21   #20
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No i wont edit and yes i didn't edit just to piss you off because if you're retarded enough to care you need to get pissed off by me every once in a while. so HA.

I download music because most of the music i download i can not find anywhere else, i can't find cd's for unknown bands from ages ago can i so downloading is my only source for them.

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Old 25th June 2003, 20:56   #21
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Yes, yes, yes.

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Old 25th June 2003, 21:12   #22
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Quote:
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I have no problem with d/ling music off the net. I have a fair collection of rares and music before they put it on CD. W/o mp3's around this forum won't exist, MP3 players wont exist and digital technology would be futile. Plus why the hell are some bands complaining, you would think they get enough money to live on off of their concerts?

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Old 25th June 2003, 21:14   #23
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Stealing cannot be justified- this is the Modern World where we must pay for products that we want. This is not Sherwood forest of the Middle Ages-

Understand that in the Modern World, this Robin Hood "Rob from the rich to give to poor little me" defense might be morally defensible in a college "relativist philosophy" debate class. Perhaps you might even convince your goateed Professor that stealing intellectual property is OK.

No matter how good you can defend the "ethics" of the Robin hood defense, stealing will not held up in a court of law.

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Old 25th June 2003, 21:18   #24
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Wasn't the point to make it so it will hold up in a court of law xerxes, you're just reiterating the point in finding why, no-one needs that.

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they should release albums asap, that way leaks wouldnt happen, and they shouldnt release stuff in other countries at early times either cuz then those people will just rip it and share it.

oh yeah i d/l clearly out of spite of the RIAA
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Old 25th June 2003, 22:08   #26
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Yes. I have never bought a CD and I never will. Even if I couldn't get music for free, I wouldn't buy a CD. I can make up music that is plenty good enough for me and listen to it in my head. Me getting music for free is not hurting their business as I wouldn't have ever contributed to their business anyways.
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i say yes. they have mmillions of dollars. I have 20. i will miss 15 dollars a lot more then they will.
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Can't say that I agree with you dlink. I mean, it isn't just you doing this. If ten thousand people do it, then that's $150,000 that they are missing out on. That's where it gets nasty.
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(sry., teh was maent that i was kinda joking.
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Old 26th June 2003, 01:35   #30
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Yes.

1) I can download songs for free, good songs I like will invoke me to buy the CD single or the album if at all possible.

2) I still buy CDs for to RIAA.

3) It's free and I'm a broke student.

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Old 26th June 2003, 01:49   #31
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Stuff the Prima Donna greedy gits is what I say.

They go to some country, telling us how bad it is. Yet there standing there in clothes, who's cost would probably feed the villagge for a week. Even worse again, some P.R. company, ahs just forked out a bundle of money, from C.D.s to pay for this. And that sum of money would probably feed that village for 5 bloody years.

So, when they stop ripping people of and instead of paying some silly twat to stand in a village, telling us how bad it is, Give them the money instead.

Then I'll buy there F***ing C.D.'s

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Wasn't the point to make it so it will hold up in a court of law xerxes, you're just reiterating the point in finding why, no-one needs that.
By that logic, you could "justify" killing the members of the RIAA in cold blood- ignoring the law.

The law is the ultimate expression of a societies' justification of what is moral and what is immoral- my original point is as relevant as any. People should not break the law.

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Qoute:"They will tell you that if you don't give them your money there will be no fresh talent emerging. I personally reckon that with the standard of 'fresh talent' that is emerging, (ie Brittany Spears,
nsync and other ultra sonic crap) I don't think that it would be
much of a loss."

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Old 26th June 2003, 04:44   #35
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Old 26th June 2003, 08:24   #36
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They will tell you that if you don't give them your money there will be no fresh talent emerging. I personally reckon that with the standard of 'fresh talent' that is emerging, (ie Brittany Spears,
nsync and other ultra sonic crap) I don't think that it would be
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Xerxes,

You never ever downloaded a single mp3 you didn't have the CD for ?
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I say Yes, because a very large percentage (about 75 or higher) of the music I have comes from video games - where the *fuck* do you find VGM, unless you're willing to shell out the additional costs to import it? And again, it's like any other CD - there's a few songs in particular that you want, but you'd spend 50 bucks on the whole set (IE Final Fantasy VII OSV).

A solid 20% of the music I have comes from my very own CD collection. Yes, I buy music... occasionally. Usually from movies, which, unlike the crap they shell out these days in the pop/rap sections, usually sound decent if they came from a good composer (say, Hans Zimmer). I'm more than willing to pay 14$ for a whole soundtrack for the quality and the art that went into it.

The other 5%... that's the illegit part. And I have no shame in saying that. I despise the RIAA, and I don't feel I need to line their pockets any more than they all ready are. The sons of bitches killed Napster, and I don't think anyone could forgive them for that, least of all myself.

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Yes, in a way.

It's impossible to justify it totally, but I think some approaches are acceptible.

I tend to download some songs off a CD before buying it, to see what it's like, but I'll still buy the CD if I like the songs. Sometimes I'll only buy a CD because I downloaded some of the songs and liked them - in that case downloading music is actually helping the record companies/artists.

Apart from that I'd never download more than a couple of songs off an album. Most of my music is extremely varied and random and I'd be buying heaps of CDs for one or possibly two tracks on each one.

I'm still totally against people who just downoad whole albums and burn them to CDs instead of buying them.
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You never ever downloaded a single mp3 you didn't have the CD for ?
Occasionally off MP3.com...

Understand that I CANT just go on kazaa or any other service for my music- people do not Rip and share classical music. Well, they do, but only crappy "Top Ten Mozart" collections or those godforsaken albums with classical music and waterfalls in the background.

Classical music ... is often so long- 30 minutes and up for a symphony, that downloading also becomes impractical. And lots of the music is lost at the usual 128 kbps everyone rips at.

In short, I don't normally don't download music.

I recently downloaded the Hokey Pokey for my 2 year old stepsister's birthday, so I can't say I haven't though.

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