Old 2nd September 2008, 22:33   #1
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Google Chrome



http://gears.google.com/chrome/
(Windows only so far)

Based on WebKit, very minimalist but
a) it's only 0.2
b) apparently it's supposed to be simple and easy to use above all
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Old 2nd September 2008, 22:45   #2
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Do Firefox addons work in it?

If not, I'm not budging browsers.

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i looked at the pic.... still have no idea what it is...

*looks again* oh....

i was happier not knowing

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Old 2nd September 2008, 23:26   #5
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Do Firefox addons work in it?

If not, I'm not budging browsers.
They don't.

But it's early Beta anyway, it seems to be stable but I still wouldn't make it my main browser just yet.

Lots of cool things under the hood though.*
Firefox could really use that kind of process isolation, if only to keep crashes in one tab from killing long up/downloads.

*but why did they have to hire Jack Chick to introduce it?
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passes acid 2, can't get the acid 3 test to even load tho. prbly masses of people trying the same ting i am.

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do a ctrl+f find, it's neat
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Old 3rd September 2008, 00:14   #7
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Cool, having to press ctrl-f is not cool though (I always get stumped when I type something in a page and nothing happens).

edit: Acid3 score: 76/100
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I like it, I do. But I forgot how many fucking ads there were on the internet.

Whoa, and I can resize text boxes? I don't know if that's something new but I've never seen it before. Sweet.

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I don't think I will be dropping firefox soon but this seems to be a fun new thing to play with.
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fwiw: I got to 79/100 on acid3, linktest failed.

gaek, how do you find without using ctrl+f?

also, I cant make the textboxes any larger, only smaller. It also doesn't work with all forms it seems. No boxes are resieable on facebook (excecpt for wall posts) atm

sry for ppor typing, broek clavicle, typing w/ 1 arm
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It's always interesting when people start from scratch again in a field where products have been around a while. Usually you get more of the same with maybe a couple differences, but this looks pretty innovative.

This looks pretty fast/stable on new machines - do you think it would be better than current versions of ie/ff/opera on older machines?

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So I decided to give it a try. I like the minimalist interface and how it integrates nicely with Aero. But some things bother me a lot, like the amount of lines it skips when using a scroll wheel, and the fact that the fonts are too small at default (and get too big when I use ctrl++). Right now it still feels more like a novelty than a full-blown browser.

If they find some way to make Firefox extensions work in it, and add more options to play with, I just might switch. But until then, it's nothing more than a novelty to me.

/I just realized that it doesn't properly display my avatar with a hacked header (or should I say it does display it properly...).

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I wonder if this'll run on my work PC (a 12-year-old machine running WinNT 4.0).

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Acid3 results, comparing Google Chrome to the latest nightly build of Firefox 3 (and IE7, just for shits and giggles):

http://psythik.com/pics/acid3_ff-gc-ie.jpg

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gaek, how do you find without using ctrl+f?
In Firefox? Just start typing.

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Really? I always have to hit ctrl+f...

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I gave Google Chrome a try and I don't think I'll give up Firefox.

Chrome is fast, which is nice, but I think they pushed the "no frills" approach a bit too far: no sidebar, no bookmark management, no themes.
And the fact that the tabs are located above the address bar instead of under it annoys me.

Plus, when you consider the insane amount of things FF can do through extensions, it's not really worth it.

I think they really want to cater to IE users by making everything simple but I'm not sure that leaving power users on the side of the road is such a smart move.
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I'm fairly sure they'll make it extensible at some point (or somebody else will, it's open source after all), getting the core functionality right first before adding tons of features isn't the worst idea.
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I'm fairly sure they'll make it extensible at some point (or somebody else will, it's open source after all), getting the core functionality right first before adding tons of features isn't the worst idea.
It's a terrible idea, gaekwad! Fuck good practice. I want them to skip over all of that base functionality and get right to making adblock work!

These guys have some nerve trying to start with a stable core. They're up to version 0.2 already!



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If someone has ZERO interest in letting AdBlock work, it's Google
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Really? I always have to hit ctrl+f...
In addition to what Gaekwad has, you can do a quickfind by pressing the forward slash.
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Remember that Chrome uses Apple/KDE's webkit, which is also used in Konqueror and Safari. So comparing various web standards tests will tell you little that is specific to Chrome.
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Meh. It has nothing to pull me away from Opera

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Its a nice first impression, but its going to take a lot more to get me away from Firefox since Mozilla doesn't sleep long.
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1843

Google’s shiny new Web browser is vulnerable to a carpet-bombing vulnerability that could expose Windows users to malicious hacker attacks.

Just hours after the release of Google Chrome, researcher Aviv Raff discovered that he could combine two vulnerabilities — a flaw in Apple Safari (WebKit) and a Java bug discussed at this year’s Black Hat conference — to trick users into launching executables direct from the new browser.

Raff has cooked up a harmless demo of the attack in action, showing how a Google Chrome users can be lured into downloading and launching a JAR (Java Archive) file that gets executed without warning.

In the proof-of-concept, Raff’s code shows how a malicious hacker can use a clever social engineering lure — it requires two mouse clicks — to plant malware on Windows desktops.

The Google Chrome user-agent shows that Chrome is actually WebKit 525.13 (Safari 3.1), which is an outdated/vulnerable version of that browser.

Apple patched the carpet-bombing issue with Safari v3.1.2.


Some Google Chrome early adopters using Windows Vista are reporting that files downloaded from the Internet are automatically dropped on the desktop, setting up a scenario where a combo-attack using this unpatched IE flaw could be used in attacks.
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The Aero look is ugly as fuck.
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Playing Winamp automatically

Does anyone know how to get Google Chrome to launch Winamp automatically when it encounters a playlist (.pls extension)?

I use Shoutcast to select a radio station to listen to and in IE I simply click the Tune In icon and it starts Winamp and plays the playlist.

In Chrome it asks me to save the file. It then downloads it. I have to then Open the file, despite it being set to always open files of that type. When I open the downloaded file it then starts playing in Winamp. How do I get Winamp to play with the first single click?
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The Aero look is ugly as fuck.
Have you seen your custom title lately?

Personally I like Chrome but it feels clunky. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to have the tendency to hang when loading pages or when redirecting...and sometimes just refuses to close tabs.

If they develop hard and fast, it could be the best thing out there. If they sit on it, I wouldn't give it a second glance.
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Have you seen your custom title lately?
No. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
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I strongly reccomend everyone who is thinking about GC to read their readme.comic. .comic? Yes, they made a comic book readme, and it is actually a very interesting and easy read. Keep in mind, this is version 0.2. There is a zero in front there. This is still just a beta! If they make half of what they talk about in the comic work this could be the best browser ever.
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they won't though, they'll just wait for someone else to do it and buy that.

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I read through the comic; 30+ pages, but still quite interesting. It seems a bit vague with a naive optimistic ambition, but it takes good dreaming and ideas to make something happen. It's hard for me to tell if all of that will become true or not.

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Google is a Web application and advertising company. Zt is in their best interest for browsers to be as stable as possible. As well as treat web applications like any other application (each tab have it's own process. The GMail Process, the Google Docs process, the digg process) just like normal applications. For a web based company it is in Googles best interest for web browsers not to suck. And to make the process more seamless. Make launching GMail like opening Outlook Express or Thunderbird.

Now Google is big and they have some pull, but there is no way Chrome become a dominate browser ever. And it seems clear they know that. Read the comic book, open source BSD license. They want Mozilla and IE to help themselves to the Chrome code. They want nothing more then their improvements to show up everywhere.

If anything Chrome is more of a "technology demo." Chrome will never be a dominate browser, even with the pull of a company like Google. But what it can do is improve other browsers and mold them to Google's image.

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It does suck when I have to lose all tabs and windows when a browser crashes. Luckily firefox remembers where I was when I re-open it, but still, I shouldn't lose all the windows because of a problem in one.

The separate process idea is a good one and I hope all browsers learn from it as you have suggested.

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Now Google is big and they have some pull, but there is no way Chrome become a dominate browser ever. And it seems clear they know that. Read the comic book, open source BSD license. They want Mozilla and IE to help themselves to the Chrome code. They want nothing more then their improvements to show up everywhere.

If anything Chrome is more of a "technology demo." Chrome will never be a dominate browser, even with the pull of a company like Google. But what it can do is improve other browsers and mold them to Google's image.
Well, Microsoft won't give a shit if the code is OSS and Mozilla does its own thing.

At best, it will make them optimize more and add a couple of features/interface options. That is about it.

However if Google really wants Chrome to take off, then it needs to build a grass roots community around it like Mozilla did for Firefox.
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But I don't think their end game is to make Chrome take off. They want to make IE and Firefox not suck as bad. Fuck, even with a majority of the minority market and all the grass roots it may get them 20% tops.

They want IE, Firefox and Safari to suck less. It's more about paradigm shifts then competition. (And Microsoft will gladly help themselves to completely open code. Unlike the GPL and friends, the license Google uses pretty much means anyone can do whatever with their code, closed source or whatever).

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Microsoft did help themselves to ideas like tabbed browsing.

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I have to agree that Chrome feels like Google forcing the hands of IE and Firefox, the same way Firefox forced the hand of IE--either do it better, or get ripped to shreds.

Frankly I find this tactic extremely agreeable. THIS is the kind of control the free market was built to bring about; pity we see so little of it.
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THIS is the kind of control the free market was built to bring about
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It does suck when I have to lose all tabs and windows when a browser crashes. Luckily firefox remembers where I was when I re-open it, but still, I shouldn't lose all the windows because of a problem in one.
hehe, damage limitation. why the heck is it so hard to get them stable?
(rhetorical question)

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i'm from the software engineering front and i didn't take a closer look at Googles Chrome and its architecture yet, but i see google is showing that they are truly able to build a framework for on-line software front-ends from scratch and they are independent.

Mozilla/Firefox prepared this way with XUL and Microsoft did it on their own and called it XAML. It's not just another browser. - It's the straight way to the future of on-line applications.
MS's .NET Framework3.0 connects XAML more or less direct to your DX hardware, which makes schemes and stuff easily replaceable. ...as long as you are running on Windows...

Mozilla and Google are optimistic that there will be always enough Microsoft haters or simply idealists, who will do their homework for free (universities all over the world let their students contribute). What can i say, it's a well-functioning system. People are most easily to be calmed if they are allowed to take a choice - even if it's between pestilence and cholera.
We have almost passed the content-management era, the field which i see coming now, is the content-presentation on the most different devices that you can imagine: from your cell phone to your fridge. all your content AND all your applications everywhere.

I'm waiting for the animated and interacting open-source (or maybe google or MS?) newscaster with the face of your choice - a PDA for real.
fuck yeah, most of the preparatory work is already done.

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