Obama or McCain?

Nico1980 · 28th September 2008, 03:38

Which one is the best for you: Obama or McCain?

General Geoff · 28th September 2008, 07:48

Hmmm... socialism or.. slightly less socialism.

I think I'll go cry in a corner.

deeder7001 · 28th September 2008, 07:53

I ain't voting this year. This isn't democracy any more. It's seems more like a dictatorship to me. Only we decide who the dictator gets to be every 4 years.

Sellaman · 28th September 2008, 08:05

Quote:

Originally posted by deeder7001
I ain't voting this year. This isn't democracy any more. It's seems more like a dictatorship to me. Only we decide who the dictator gets to be every 4 years.

We can only pray that things improve over time or by some miracle overnight.

Widdykats · 28th September 2008, 12:40

Obama!

Oh, Lisa Nova does that Moose Huntin' bitch!

Simfee · 28th September 2008, 15:15

It's doesn't matter who.
Politician choose who should be the next STOOGE.

MegaRock · 28th September 2008, 16:17

I'm voting for Ozzy Osbourne. Sure - he's a blithering idiot but so is who we have now so no one should notice.

ElChevelle · 28th September 2008, 16:57

Vote for me!
I'm an idiot like those guys, just poorer.

antimad · 28th September 2008, 18:16

whoever wins, we lose

Nico1980 · 28th September 2008, 18:35

Okay, but if you HAVE to choose one, which one you pick?

Simfee · 28th September 2008, 19:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Nico1980
Okay, but if you HAVE to choose one, which one you pick?

Nemesis

MegaRock · 28th September 2008, 19:18

Quote:

Originally posted by antimad
whoever wins, we lose

But can we lose whoever wins?

Simfee · 28th September 2008, 20:50

Quote:

Originally posted by MegaRock
But can we lose whoever wins?

Yes... like always.
It's 21st century kingdom.

leonel80 · 29th September 2008, 01:50

Hard to figure out yet who will get my vote!

Sellaman · 29th September 2008, 04:04

Quote:

Originally posted by leonel80
Hard to figure out yet who will get my vote!

Wouldn't it be super dooper if no one at all voted for McCain or Obama........

Simfee · 29th September 2008, 09:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Sellaman
Wouldn't it be super dooper if no one at all voted for McCain or Obama........

Flexi · 29th September 2008, 10:07

then at least give a null-vote, but go to election.

Quote:

Hmmm... socialism or.. slightly less socialism.

don't you think it is getting time for it lately.

"Oh no *fear*, i gotta lose everything."

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 29th September 2008, 16:11

Warrior of the Light · 29th September 2008, 16:26

Not voting is equal to accepting dictatorship IMO. I can't believe that you dislike them both as much.

I suggest making a list of things that you find important, and compare that list to the two candidates.

Democracy gave you people these two people to choose from.
Wether you like either of them was in the end your (plural form) own choice.

But hey, I'm not an american so I'll shut up.

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 29th September 2008, 16:35

Our screwed up political system makes it a moot point to vote. Each individual citizen's vote doesn't actually count toward the candidate that they're voting for. In theory, the system we have in place now isn't bad, but in reality, it hardly works the way it's supposed to.

Flexi · 29th September 2008, 17:23

Have you ever heard of the word Subsidiarity?

Concentrate on the things, that you actually can change. You say the system is fucked up? Then fuck it! I guess it's frustrating and you feel helpless, but in fact you aren't. As long as the substructure is corrupt, there can't grow a well-functioning government on it, but it's up to you and everybody to achieve consensus at the political basis. Therefore you have to know what is going on around in your neighborhood. a wise man said once upon a time "if you want to know, how the society of tomorrow will look like, ask a kindergarten teacher." And indeed, this could easily become a long rant: how do your very own children get prepared for piloting your country once a day. By television? in a DIY manner? They need strictly positive models. If your president fails at this, then it's up to you to look where's hope and then go for it and give perspective.
I'm sick of people moaning, that others do not act responsibly.

gaekwad2 · 29th September 2008, 17:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Flexi
then at least give a null-vote, but go to election.

[Image]don't you think it is getting time for it lately.

"Oh no *fear*, i gotta lose everything."

While it may be true that more and more people do have nothing to lose except their chains, the problem is, they love those chains.

Flexi · 29th September 2008, 17:42

well, but that's an educational problem*

*inherited by unleashed capitalism

baafie · 29th September 2008, 18:05

I agree with two points already made here: the candidates are indistinguishable and the political system is fundamentally flawed (although, in my opinion, it is working the way it was intended to work).

You are guaranteed to see the same kind of politics regardless of who you choose, as long as the system stays the same.

Widdykats · 29th September 2008, 20:23

^ I Strongly disagree. I don't even want to think about a reversal of Roe V. Wade. And, of course many other things now as a left liberal democrat. Also Sarah Palin is slightly dumber than dirt. Oh, I think she is evil!

Too-DAMN-Much · 29th September 2008, 20:58

to be honest, this like the last election, leaves me wishing we had eligible candidates, it's also funny how a local newspaper here did a story on obama and how people see him as "the peace candidate" and also gave many direct quotes from him saying that the war on iraq and the way bush handled it were exactly what he would have done.

the most surprising quote went something along the lines of :
"i think the way the war on iraq was handled was exactly the type of action that was nessecary to make them think twice about defying us"

that's not an exact quote as the article was at least a few weeks old and i don't have the paper here anymore to read it directly out of that.
but, in summary, it was basically "starting a war was good, it made them fear us" along those lines.

Widdykats · 29th September 2008, 21:43

Even McCain has been misquoted.

Since he opposed the war from the beginning, can speak in full sentences, oh, went to Harvard(without donating a building), and believes in freedom of choice re/ Abortion Rights...I'll vote for Obama and Joe!

ShyShy · 29th September 2008, 23:09

Dear gawd, ever since Palin claimed that being governor of Alaska gave her international experience (Siberia on the left, Canada on the right), I feel like I have to vote for Obama and Biden.

I've never watched any of the Presidential debates, just highlights, but, I really wish I could see the Vice Presidential debates.

fc*uk · 29th September 2008, 23:54

Quote:

Originally posted by ElChevelle
Vote for me!
I'm an idiot like those guys, just poorer.

In that case, ElChevelle.

Thanks for giving me my write in!

General Geoff · 30th September 2008, 02:46

Quote:

Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
[Image]

I actually have that shirt.

Too-DAMN-Much · 30th September 2008, 03:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Widdykats
Even McCain has been misquoted. Since he opposed the war from the beginning, can speak in full sentences, oh, went to Harvard(without donating a building), and believes in freedom of choice re/ Abortion Rights...I'll vote for Obama and Joe!

so...

you think the context matters when he's saying he thinks going to war to make other nations fear us is good?

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 30th September 2008, 03:48

Quote:

Originally posted by General Geoff
I actually have that shirt.

That's because you rock.

Widdykats · 30th September 2008, 11:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much
so...

you think the context matters when he's saying he thinks going to war to make other nations fear us is good?

I think that, unfortunately, is political oportunism.
I'd never vote for a Republican. I'd especially never vote for a Republican who picked a Moose killing, "Creationist," supports aerial hunting for wolves and bears, wanted to take Polar Bears off the endangered species lists,is anti-choice, even in cases of rape and incest and is a complete moron uh...person.

gaekwad2 · 30th September 2008, 11:59

Quote:

Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
That's because you rock.

Like John Allen Muhammad.

fc*uk · 30th September 2008, 12:20

I for one am all for aerial hunting .... of course I am also picturing that to turn out very very similar to survival of the fittest and a law being passed that says the hunters must pilot the chopper ... and they have to fly and shoot at the same time --- no hovering apache's here!

Something tells me we would see a sad decrease in the human population and an increase in the animal population then.

gaekwad2 · 30th September 2008, 12:34

That's much too inefficient. How about hijacking planes and...

Nico1980 · 30th September 2008, 15:11

Obama 15, McCain 6 so far.

Twilightseer · 30th September 2008, 15:49

I say McCain. Excellent fries

Widdykats · 30th September 2008, 16:56

^ Sorry! I don't get the reference, Seer!

Is he one of those anti- "French Fries" people??? (As well as being an blinkin', lyin' ass?

Twilightseer · 30th September 2008, 16:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Widdykats
^ Sorry! I don't get the reference, Seer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCain_Foods_Limited

View Poll Results: Which one is your favorite?
Obama	36	59.02%
McCain	15	24.59%
I don't care	10	16.39%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

28th September 2008, 03:38	#1
Nico1980 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 142	Obama or McCain? Which one is the best for you: Obama or McCain?

28th September 2008, 07:53	#3
deeder7001 Jesus Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 5,520	I ain't voting this year. This isn't democracy any more. It's seems more like a dictatorship to me. Only we decide who the dictator gets to be every 4 years. There is no sig.

28th September 2008, 16:17	#7
MegaRock Forum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Inside my water bong Posts: 6,855	I'm voting for Ozzy Osbourne. Sure - he's a blithering idiot but so is who we have now so no one should notice. Megarock Radio - St. Louis Since 1998! Tune In Now! Corporate Radio Sucks! No suits, all rock!

29th September 2008, 16:26	#19
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,084	Not voting is equal to accepting dictatorship IMO. I can't believe that you dislike them both as much. I suggest making a list of things that you find important, and compare that list to the two candidates. Democracy gave you people these two people to choose from. Wether you like either of them was in the end your (plural form) own choice. But hey, I'm not an american so I'll shut up. Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

28th September 2008, 07:48	#2
General Geoff Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,254	Hmmm... socialism or.. slightly less socialism. I think I'll go cry in a corner.

28th September 2008, 12:40	#5
Widdykats The Forum Slut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789	Obama! Oh, Lisa Nova does that Moose Huntin' bitch!

28th September 2008, 15:15	#6
Simfee Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 180	It's doesn't matter who. Politician choose who should be the next STOOGE.

28th September 2008, 16:57	#8
ElChevelle Moderator Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the MANCANNON! Posts: 22,436	Vote for me! I'm an idiot like those guys, just poorer.

28th September 2008, 18:16	#9
antimad Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8	whoever wins, we lose

28th September 2008, 18:35	#10
Nico1980 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 142	Okay, but if you HAVE to choose one, which one you pick?

29th September 2008, 01:50	#14
leonel80 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 32	Hard to figure out yet who will get my vote!

29th September 2008, 16:11	#18
sgtfuzzbubble011 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 60,837

29th September 2008, 16:35	#20
sgtfuzzbubble011 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 60,837	Our screwed up political system makes it a moot point to vote. Each individual citizen's vote doesn't actually count toward the candidate that they're voting for. In theory, the system we have in place now isn't bad, but in reality, it hardly works the way it's supposed to.

29th September 2008, 17:23	#21
Flexi wellspring of milk Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 54.089866,12.11168,18.75 Posts: 2,058	Have you ever heard of the word Subsidiarity? Concentrate on the things, that you actually can change. You say the system is fucked up? Then fuck it! I guess it's frustrating and you feel helpless, but in fact you aren't. As long as the substructure is corrupt, there can't grow a well-functioning government on it, but it's up to you and everybody to achieve consensus at the political basis. Therefore you have to know what is going on around in your neighborhood. a wise man said once upon a time "if you want to know, how the society of tomorrow will look like, ask a kindergarten teacher." And indeed, this could easily become a long rant: how do your very own children get prepared for piloting your country once a day. By television? in a DIY manner? They need strictly positive models. If your president fails at this, then it's up to you to look where's hope and then go for it and give perspective. I'm sick of people moaning, that others do not act responsibly. WebSocket Hub for Kinect SDK 2.0 with Milkdrop shader pipeline in VanillaJS and glsl Codepen \| Shadertoy \| OpenProcessing \| studio sketchpad Twitter @ Google+ @ YouTube @ Facebook

29th September 2008, 17:42	#23
Flexi wellspring of milk Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 54.089866,12.11168,18.75 Posts: 2,058	well, but that's an educational problem* *inherited by unleashed capitalism WebSocket Hub for Kinect SDK 2.0 with Milkdrop shader pipeline in VanillaJS and glsl Codepen \| Shadertoy \| OpenProcessing \| studio sketchpad Twitter @ Google+ @ YouTube @ Facebook

29th September 2008, 18:05	#24
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,767	I agree with two points already made here: the candidates are indistinguishable and the political system is fundamentally flawed (although, in my opinion, it is working the way it was intended to work). You are guaranteed to see the same kind of politics regardless of who you choose, as long as the system stays the same.

29th September 2008, 20:23	#25
Widdykats The Forum Slut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789	^ I Strongly disagree. I don't even want to think about a reversal of Roe V. Wade. And, of course many other things now as a left liberal democrat. Also Sarah Palin is slightly dumber than dirt. Oh, I think she is evil!

29th September 2008, 20:58	#26
Too-DAMN-Much The Big Bad Boots (Forum King) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 420 Big Buds Way Posts: 3,964	to be honest, this like the last election, leaves me wishing we had eligible candidates, it's also funny how a local newspaper here did a story on obama and how people see him as "the peace candidate" and also gave many direct quotes from him saying that the war on iraq and the way bush handled it were exactly what he would have done. the most surprising quote went something along the lines of : "i think the way the war on iraq was handled was exactly the type of action that was nessecary to make them think twice about defying us" that's not an exact quote as the article was at least a few weeks old and i don't have the paper here anymore to read it directly out of that. but, in summary, it was basically "starting a war was good, it made them fear us" along those lines. I hate everyone, so you don't have to.

29th September 2008, 21:43	#27
Widdykats The Forum Slut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789	Even McCain has been misquoted. Since he opposed the war from the beginning, can speak in full sentences, oh, went to Harvard(without donating a building), and believes in freedom of choice re/ Abortion Rights...I'll vote for Obama and Joe!

29th September 2008, 23:09	#28
ShyShy Amazon Bush Woman Forum Queen Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sticks, Queensland Posts: 8,067	Dear gawd, ever since Palin claimed that being governor of Alaska gave her international experience (Siberia on the left, Canada on the right), I feel like I have to vote for Obama and Biden. I've never watched any of the Presidential debates, just highlights, but, I really wish I could see the Vice Presidential debates.

30th September 2008, 12:20	#35
fcuk Moderator* Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atlantic Beach Posts: 8,127	I for one am all for aerial hunting .... of course I am also picturing that to turn out very very similar to survival of the fittest and a law being passed that says the hunters must pilot the chopper ... and they have to fly and shoot at the same time --- no hovering apache's here! Something tells me we would see a sad decrease in the human population and an increase in the animal population then. Trancectro/electro-house/electro \| Are You Hard?

30th September 2008, 12:34	#36
gaekwad2 Foorum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,424	That's much too inefficient. How about hijacking planes and...

30th September 2008, 15:11	#37
Nico1980 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 142	Obama 15, McCain 6 so far.

30th September 2008, 15:49	#38
Twilightseer Frenchoderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Lavabo, fond du couloir, 3è porte à droite Posts: 6,309	I say McCain. Excellent fries

30th September 2008, 16:56	#39
Widdykats The Forum Slut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789	^ Sorry! I don't get the reference, Seer! Is he one of those anti- "French Fries" people??? (As well as being an blinkin', lyin' ass? Last edited by Widdykats; 30th September 2008 at 17:25.

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