Old 3rd February 2010, 04:19   #1
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Pad or Pod?

http://www.fastcompany.com/article/q...pad?page=0%2C0

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Old 3rd February 2010, 07:04   #2
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From what the pundits say about the ipad, it's the next Apple piece of shit you must own. Is there some out-gassing in Apple plastic that gives people Apple addiction?

OK, so it sucks. Should sell 80 million
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It's just a big iPod Touch.

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iPad is a solution without a problem.
I like the concept, but there is just so much missing in this release that it kills it. I heard the pundents say "it is a content consumption device and not content creation"

But consume what?
Wanna look at your picturesd from you r camera? No SD card sloew or even a USB port, gotta fire up your computer and upload them first.

Wanna watch Hulu or one of the hundreds of other streaming media sites, no Flash support. Apple may hate flash and be pushing HTML5 these days, but at this point in time a browser that does not support Flash is an incomplete browser.

It really is a giant iPod Touch and doesn't bring anything to the table. And at this point why is anything using the 4;# aspect ratio? For a media based device you really need to move to wide screen.

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Re: Pad or Pod?

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Old 3rd February 2010, 14:29   #6
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I think a lot depends on the user as to whether this new "toy" is a good idea.

I'm a tech-head, yet I'm planning to pick up an iPad. My 3 jobs require that I be online pretty much every waking minute. But after the 9-5 coding day is done, I don't want to sit at a desk any more. Up until now, I've been keeping tabs on work after hours with my iPhone, or a laptop. It's okay, but my old eyes get tired staring at the 3.5 inch screen of an iPhone, and a laptop just toasts my nuts. Not to mention having to hunch over it to read stuff.

For me, I'd use the iPad at home instead of my iPhone (and I use my iPhone a lot for WiFi data at home). With a larger screen, RDP apps for remote windows server administration, a good browser, 10 hours of battery life and Exchange email support, this thing is everything I need... in a more laid-back and readable form factor. It's also marginally more social-friendly in the family room than the "wall" a laptop screen puts between the user and the rest of the room.

I'd opt for the cheapest one though. No 3G.
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So far tablet PC's seem to be a device that engineers thought was a great idea, but has met less than a warm welcome with the consumer.

I seem to remember Gates about 10 years back saying that this would be the best thing since buttered bread, but none of these devices has moved the needle yet.

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Put the freakin' gadget down and step away slow.
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No one uses Pads anymore! What?
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The only good I see coming out of this is that it will finally get everyone making "copy-cat" products. Then I just buy the superior "copy-cat" product from asus or lenovo for half the cost and I'm set. I will give apple credit for getting the tech market off it's ass and moving it in weird directions. Good directions are quite arguable, the ipod was a revolutionary product, but was it a good one?
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I seem to remember Gates about 10 years back saying that this would be the best thing since buttered bread, but none of these devices has moved the needle yet.
Because as a whole they're all rubbish.

They can be made to work in some circumstances, and the hardware itself has always been adequate, but changing the way people interact with software that's designed for a particular type of input device or devices without changing the software as well will always be half arsed.

Despite some of the iPad's shortcomings, Apple at least get the idea that a tablet OS GUI needs to be built from the ground up based around the idea that it's a touch input device first and foremost, not as an add-on to a GUI designed for use with a mouse/keyboard. The applications also need to be designed from the same perspective, but there are only a few specialist apps that I've seen for Windows that do actually work reasonably well with touch input.
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I have no idea why specialist got filtered....

anyway, on topic. I see Dotme's point, but really how many people out there do you think are like you? With all the iPhones/iTouches sold ... with this things price tag, I just can't see the mass market for it.

You folks know I've got macs and am slowly ditching pcs too. So, take that for what you will, but I think this product is total shit (I guess that means I am not a fanboy?). Like deeder said, it's a big ipod. Sure, I can see the use of a bigger screen, but I just can't see the mass market for it, especially at it's price point.

Now, if that thing would have pulled off a slimmed down version of OS X and had the iphone/ipod touch interface ... I'd have at least two. One to replace the touch screen/laptop I have mounted in the wall/cabinet of my kitchen that serves as an electronic recipe book/music player and another just for everyday life ... but it does not do that ...
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What I can't figure out is why the Apple products are always missing something that people would intuitively think was cool.

Two right off the top of the bitch list for the Ipad. It won't multitask.... most of you don't even remember a computer that doesn't multitask. That just really blows. It could have a camera. I mean really. What the hell does a camera cost?

Spend millions when you could come up with something really cool and come up with -meh-
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this might have a chance with doctors, for example - easy to carry during patient visits, easy to sterilize....
same for field engineers...
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I know I'm not caring around a $700 piece of glass if was a field engineer... A doctor? They have better things then this that do exactly what they need (including better tablets), not just some product that people are trying to find uses for.
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I just got a Nexus 1 and my iPhone/pod is out the door and gone. sold with the moola invested locally in my favorite pub.

iPad? Silly and poorly designed. Apple's first big epic fail.

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Now Fujitsu claims it has a trademark on the name Ipad for a 2003 touch computer that was such a gigantic fail that Apple never heard of it.

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Now, if that thing would have pulled off a slimmed down version of OS X and had the iphone/ipod touch interface ...
Isn't that exactly what it runs?

If you're talking about running desktop apps on the device then it will be a complete flop, because instead of just doing a few things well, it would suck at nearly everything, just like Windows based tablets and every other consumer device, other than a desktop PC or laptop, that runs a desktop OS and apps.

Look at Media Center PC's. They can have so much more functionality than any standalone device and when they work well they're great (which is why I have two), but they take a lot more time/effort/knowledge to set up and keep them working well than a TiVo or DVD/BD player, so I could never recommend one to someone who isn't a geek. Oh, and even if you do drive it with a remote most of the time you still need a mouse/keyboard at close reach when you need to do any sort of maintenance.

Car PC's running Windows are another abysmal failure to grasp the basic concept. Anyone who's spent time using one in a car while you're trying to drive will know why.

I'm even going to go as far as to call the Netbook concept a failure. Sure, over the past couple of years they've sold plenty, but they now have more in common with regular notebooks than the original eeePC. Asus were on the right track by redesigning the interface, but it quickly became apparent that a 7" low res screen, a few GB of flash memory and a slow CPU didn't cut it if the apps are the same, and a lot wanted to run their Windows software on them, so they grew the screens from 9" to 10" and upped the resolution a bit, now they're commonly 11.6" with the same resolution as most 15" notebooks. Flash storage was replaced with 80, 160, 250GB HDD's and the CPU's were switched to Atom's, now ULV dual core's which are much closer to those in normal notebooks, batteries grew to meet the load. They've become bigger, heavier and much less portable.

We had sub-notebooks before netbooks, and they've basically just evolved back into them, because when you're running an OS and apps that are designed for a certain level of hardware and certain types of input devices, that's exactly what's needed.

Ultimately, if you want a device that does everything a PC or notebook does, then buy a PC or notebook.
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iPad? Silly and poorly designed. Apple's first big epic fail.

I think you may have forgotten about some of the other products they have made over the years. You might be supprised at how many turkeys Apple have made since they started.

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USB and SD are available through an adapter that plugs into that proprietary bullshit "doc" plug that apple puts on their land-fill stuffers. This makes the product lose it's "sleek" appearance while making more $ for apple.

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You have a good and valid point there Atmo. I also guess you are right; the iPhone/iPod/iPad does run a slimmed down version of OS X. That was dumb of me to write. You did correctly guess my intention of that statement; I want to run desktop apps on it.

However, I would argue that we are still lacking a device that is as good as a laptop and is also ultra portable. Those UMPCs flopped big time as far as I am aware. Tablets almost got it right except for the fact that most were bigger than a laptop. Personally, I was hoping that this device from Apple was going to fill that void.

The reason? Well, as Toast pointed out, this device would be great for a doctor, especially with the electronic records requirements. The problem: the programs that are written to fill this void are written for standard PC systems. No one in their right mind is going to port these apps to run on one of these apple devices; I would doubt if a hospital would support it either. Therefore, if apple put out something that looked exactly like this iPad, but ran a beefier OS that could run normal desktop apps, I could see potential uptake in certain skilled trades being massive.

As for product uptake in the sciences. I would use of of these things in a second IF you could get 21 CFR Part 11 complaint laboratory notebook software to run on them. However, you can't because of the OS and no one is going to port to this OS. Laptops take up too much space on a lab bench; this iPad has a footprint smaller than a lab notebook (at least the ones I am used to using).


You could make the argument in general about porting to a MAC OS for any of these points; software writers are not likely to do that either for this specialized of software. That is where I would envision turning one of these iPads into a thin client and going about it that way,

I am going to quietly shut up and start feeling like an idiot now because you could do that with this device. Did not occur to me when I made the earlier post. I think I need to talk to our IT folks at work tomorrow.
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iPad is a solution without a problem.
I like the concept, but there is just so much missing in this release that it kills it. I heard the pundents say "it is a content consumption device and not content creation"

But consume what?
Wanna look at your picturesd from you r camera? No SD card sloew or even a USB port, gotta fire up your computer and upload them first.

Wanna watch Hulu or one of the hundreds of other streaming media sites, no Flash support. Apple may hate flash and be pushing HTML5 these days, but at this point in time a browser that does not support Flash is an incomplete browser.

It really is a giant iPod Touch and doesn't bring anything to the table. And at this point why is anything using the 4;# aspect ratio? For a media based device you really need to move to wide screen.
I really agree with the Flash comment. Even with HTML5 coming, Flash is still where it's at right now.

WebOS (Palm Pre/Pixi) will have Flash support coming out this month, and I believe it will be what makes (or breaks depending on implementation and battery usage etc) the WebOS platform.
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Perhaps the shortcomings are intentional. Sell as many with limited features to the people dying to have the latest piece of must-have status symbol junk, then release a later model with added features that have been missing so that those same people will come back and buy again. Planned obsolescence?

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Apple did exactly that with the iPhone. First one lacked a camera and ran over edge...
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