Old 18th October 2004, 08:37   #1
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does being a christian...

make me weak? uncool?

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Old 18th October 2004, 08:55   #2
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Off course not.

Well, if you start threads about it, it does

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Old 18th October 2004, 09:04   #3
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No, it dosn't make you any of those things, however it dosn't also make you or your views 'right' all the time as some christians would have you believe. (not that I'm saying this is how you come over, some do however.)
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christians actually should not judge. because they have planks in their eyes.

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Old 18th October 2004, 09:19   #6
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being a christian is the best thing. I was raised in a ptentecostal home...I have swayed off the christian lifestyle for about 3 years now and I know I need to get myself corrected...but having a relationship with God is great.

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Old 18th October 2004, 11:40   #7
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Being religious per se, isn't a bad thing.
As long as one knows your relgion isn't the only one in the world.
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Old 18th October 2004, 11:59   #8
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no. But making millions of threads about it does.


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Old 18th October 2004, 12:49   #9
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Deeder do you think it's wrong to take drugs?
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Old 18th October 2004, 12:57   #10
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Deeder do you think it's wrong to take drugs?
drugs like crack and marijuana, yes. drugs like asprin and such, no.

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Originally posted by RazIt means you have a weak personality. You need someone else to decide what's right and wrong for you.

Yes you're all about being a good person, but why does that necessitate organised, ritualistic behaviour?
my views on right and wrong would be the same, even if i weren't a christian. i don't go to church to learn morals and stuff. i already have my morals setup. if that happens to be the same as some religion, so be it. nobody has to tell me what's right and wrong because i already know. also believing in something that can't be proved is not an easy task.

edit: WTF? why isn't my post at the bottom? the time is off again too.

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Old 18th October 2004, 13:09   #12
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It means you have a weak personality. You need someone else to decide what's right and wrong for you.

Yes you're all about being a good person, but why does that necessitate organised, ritualistic behaviour?

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while normally i would say yes, it makes you weak for those reasons Raz has already specified, in the few weeks we have coming up to the election I am willing to lay this to the side for a while.

You are fine to be a christian as long as you dont vote for bush.

please, pretty please.

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Old 18th October 2004, 13:57   #15
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Becuase if they dont, they go to hell! They go to hell and die!

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I know!
Oh, registered Democrat and voting that way!
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Generally speaking…
I’ve seen two types of Christians.
1). The ones who will not let anything but the religion touch them in a way that shuts them in to the outside world. Or…
2). The ones who go about everyday life as a Christian with great confidence in all other beliefs and views that others may have, and cherish that.

This doesn't mean you become weak, or a bad person, or even “uncool”, that's jumping to a wrong conclusion. It's more of a question on what you are willing to believe about that certain religion, and they way you apply it towards others aswell as yourself. That fundamentally determines your personally characteristics, And it also comes down to whether you are committed to the certain religion. I think that sometimes a certain religion is used in the most unrealistic, ridiculous ways. Mainly for self-security, and sometimes favour from the people who surround you. Sometimes even for ones ego.
This brings me to The Holy War against America. This is the one problem I do see with religion. Not only for the fact that it can be exaggerated, but also again used for things such as wars, which is clearly against the original laws of the religion, but often the dark side of man prevails, and wins out against those laws. And unfortunately even individuals such as G.W.Bush use religion as a means of secretly aggressing towards an event such as a war or conflict.

Now, typically most would say, "Well you wouldn't know anything you love Satan because you're a SlipKnoT fan, blah, blah" (For one, I don’t believe in Satan)
I'd like to remain agnostic of all religions. Only because I found they never did anything for me, because I once was one, but I found that my cynical side overtook my personality and now I don’t generally believe in anything, unless there is proof for it. Which is entirely my opinion of course.

Now if you can find self-confidence through Christianity, then that’s great do it, and do it with the confidence that all others around you should see that as a plus in your personality, and a good trait.
I personally would try to chain yourself down with such questions as this, instead go through things with little concern and worry.
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Old 18th October 2004, 17:09   #17
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This is not telling you your religion is wrong, it's asking a serious question.

If you can make your own decisions for what you consider good, then why do you need guidance from a church?

It's like getting free holidays and tax priveleges for sharing opinions with a lot of people.

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objectively Raz, your view has the potential to be either incredibly right or incredulously wrong. As equally does his.

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Old 18th October 2004, 17:40   #19
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If you can make your own decisions for what you consider good, then why do you need guidance from a church?
Well, I know that for me, being a christian isn't about doing what the church tells me to do, it's about a relationship to God via his Messiah.

But when I come to a situation I haven't been before, it's about weighing advice of people who have similar beliefs (who yes, would be the church), with the Bible, past experiance, reason and the personal revelation by the HS from the time I spend in prayer.

Oversimplifications are undoubtedly dangerous, Raz.

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Re: does being a christian...

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Certainly not. And you won't go to hell for listening to the darkest black metal,,,, I'm serious.
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Old 18th October 2004, 18:01   #21
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If you can make your own decisions for what you consider good, then why do you need guidance from a church?
so you do think that being a christian makes me weak? because i know whats right and wrong and still go to church.

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Old 18th October 2004, 18:01   #22
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There really needs to be a rule against talking about religion and politics.
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Really? Nuts! Where's the incentive?
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Old 18th October 2004, 18:03   #24
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we just need a Free Speach & Debate section.

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Old 18th October 2004, 18:36   #26
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Really? Nuts! Where's the incentive?
Ok, we keep talikn' 'bout politics (though I wouldn't personally), but to prevent religious flame wars, there needs to be a rule.

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but some people just don't have common sense. I guess that includes me since I replied to this thread.
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Nah! Most people don't have common sense!
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Old 18th October 2004, 18:52   #28
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Any kind of sense would be a start....

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If people came to their senses there'd be no need for religion.
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apparently many here don't like talking about religious/God stuff, or i have no common sense. if i have no common sense, so be it.

since many here don't like the subject of this thread, i request that this thread be locked unless somebody can add something constructive.

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yes, because it makes you ignorant.

"Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?"
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ignorant about what exactly?

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Old 18th October 2004, 20:52   #34
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deeder god made everything on earth for us to use. that includes illegal drugs banned by man's law. in a way... god encourages you to do drugs.
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While i appreciate your quaint traditions, superstitions. I however am an evolved being who deals solely with the source of light which exists in all our minds, no middle man required.
But yeah, i appreciate your little games and puttin' on the tie and going to church, etc.

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@ germ, why do you think God put that tree in the garden of eden?

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If you're going to go by the book deeder, we're not in the garden of eden, we're being punished for something we did in the garden of eden, therefore this is a completely different matter.

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apparently many here don't like talking about religious/God stuff, or i have no common sense. if i have no common sense, so be it.

since many here don't like the subject of this thread, i request that this thread be locked unless somebody can add something constructive.

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Anything on this earth can be used for good or bad. It is all up to man's FREE WILL. Most of the non-Christians forget one of the teachings of Christianity is that God gave man a free will to do as he so desires.

Mankind is free to embrace God or reject Him. And God has prepared a place for both camps to spend eternity.

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