Old 28th December 2004, 05:38   #41
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i missed a weeks worth of tv when 9/11 happened. i hardly even heard about the tsunamis on tv. i heard about it from the forums, winamp and pabook forums.

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Old 28th December 2004, 05:47   #42
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maybe its just because it was american soil, but remember how much coverage 9/11 got? compared to this disaster (what, about 10X worse!) its hardly getting covered, in context to 9/11. my parents didnt even know it happended till the next day.


thats very low to try and boast about the amount of humanitarian aid a country is or isnt sending.
I knew about the tsunami on Christmas Day.

Although now I'm getting tired of flipping every channel and hearing the facts wrong about the science of a tsunami.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami

Not a tidal wave, even if it may resemble one, no one I've heard on the news say an analogy that its like a ripple when a drop of water disturbs the placid water.

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Old 28th December 2004, 06:22   #43
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anyhow, someone's gotta set this guy straight...
Ah. and I suppose that is up to you?
Maybe he is perfectly entitled to his opinion.

If it pisses you off then start a bitchlist thread called "Only liberals should get freedom of speech because it was our idea!".
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Old 28th December 2004, 08:00   #44
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I heard somewhere that this was deemed "One of the worst disasters in human kind."

http://www.dispatch.co.za/2004/12/28...gn/aalead.html

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Old 28th December 2004, 09:54   #45
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I don't know about the worst disaster in humankind. Though it is a terrible event.

What about the quake in india only 3 years ago that killed 20,000? Or the one in iran in 1978 which killed a quater of a million people (10 times as much).

Wikipedia collected statistic say it is likely the toll will reach 100,000 once the chaos subsides, which would make it the 5th worst earthquake in the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_In...ean_earthquake
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in663057.shtml

It's now up to 52,000.

Something to make you think even more....could it happen here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in663508.shtml

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Old 28th December 2004, 22:12   #47
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3963563.stm

ive heard both sides that the canary islands pose a threat. the above link discredits that hypthesis.
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I don't know about the worst disaster in humankind. Though it is a terrible event.

What about the quake in india only 3 years ago that killed 20,000? Or the one in iran in 1978 which killed a quater of a million people (10 times as much).

Wikipedia collected statistic say it is likely the toll will reach 100,000 once the chaos subsides, which would make it the 5th worst earthquake in the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_In...ean_earthquake
I think this tragedy is ranked as one of the worst, because it's spread out over such a large area. We're talking two continents, countless islands, the sheer scope of affected countries is huge. Many aid workers will tell you that the difference between the disaster of Bama, Iran and this one, is that Bama was "centralized". Access to victims was easier, while in the current affected countries, there are many towns with no phone line, no electricity. It's very hard to get an idea of what needs to be done where.

Already, there are large of amounts of supplies coming in, with relief leaders barely having a clue as to where to start dispersing it. It really is mass chaos.

And the worst is yet to come. Doctors and such are predicting just as many deaths during the aftermath, from diseases and un-sanitory conditions.

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The apocalyptic destruction caused by the ocean surge has dwarfed the efforts of governments and relief agencies as they recover countless corpses while trying to treat survivors and take care of millions of homeless.

The United Nations launched what it called an unprecedented relief effort to assist nations hit by the devastating tsunami triggered by the magnitude 9.0 undersea earthquake off the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

In a further threat to the region, disease could kill as many people as those killed by the wall of water, a top World Health Organisation (WHO) official said.

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I heard on the news this morning that a supermodel named Petra who was on the cover of SI was severly injured and her boyfriend was swept away. They were in a beachside cottage when the wave hit. She had both hips and her pelvis shattered, but managed to survive by hanging on to a tree for 8 hours.

They are now saying the confirmed death toll is over 60K.

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Old 29th December 2004, 14:25   #50
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Something that needs to be understood, when they say 60K dead, that mean more like 100K.
Trust me, I've been to a third world natural disater area before.


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Old 29th December 2004, 14:28   #51
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on CNN.com they're saying it's up to 80,000.

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then it's probably more like 120K


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Old 29th December 2004, 14:31   #53
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probably. i wouldn't be surprized.

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When I said 60,000, I said confirmed. The news report followed that up with a statement that they expect it to be double that number once the final count is in. Also disease will most likely add that many more over the next few weeks.

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Jesus. This is horrible.
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My school has about 10 exchange students from Thailand this year, they were all back home for the winter break. I hope they're okay.

If you'd like to help, you can donate to the Red Cross through Amazon.

They've already collected over 3 million dollars.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4133993.stm

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you don't know the situation till u r here.... Malaysia has 64 deaths and it's so dwarfed by the thousands in indon, thai etc...
my my friends were up north at the time of the tsumani... thank goodness their safe... New year's day celebration is now cancled in Kuala Lumpur and all other states...

even worse, many people said they can feel the earthquake in Kuala Lumpur which is like hundreds and hundreds of miles away from the earthquake centre...their now doing inspections on tall buildings especially the Petronas Twin Towers...
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Ah. and I suppose that is up to you?
Maybe he is perfectly entitled to his opinion.

If it pisses you off then start a bitchlist thread called "Only liberals should get freedom of speech because it was our idea!".

whatever, deputy sheriff...
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Sorry. Reading that quote I realise I was only looking to start and argument.

From the start, all I meant to say was that GrumpyBB's post wasn't worth getting angry about; You arn't going to change his opinion of things, so why bother arguing?

Btw, I'm Australian and I don't get the "deputy sheriff" thing.
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Sorry. Reading that quote I realise I was only looking to start and argument.

From the start, all I meant to say was that GrumpyBB's post wasn't worth getting angry about; You arn't going to change his opinion of things, so why bother arguing?

Btw, I'm Australian and I don't get the "deputy sheriff" thing.

Apology accepted.... i guess i was just a bit upset ppl are using this as a tool to show off... Deputy Sheriff? lol... suprised u don't know...
http://thestar.com.my/oic/story.asp?...17/oic/6509769
but it settles it then... no hard feelings...
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ahhhh. now i get it
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Tsunami death toll tops 116,000

Thursday, December 30, 2004 Posted: 12:03 PM EST (1703 GMT)
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BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (CNN) -- The death toll from Sunday's tsunamis has jumped sharply to over 116,000 after Indonesia reported nearly 80,000 people were killed in that country alone
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For GrumpyBB who was saying that America will "pull its weight" with Aid read this article. I will also highlight the important parts

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The Times added that it hoped Secretary of State Colin Powell was embarrassed to announce "the initial measly aid offer" of $15 million. "That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities" in January.

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Although many Americans believe the United States spends a great deal on foreign aid, the amount is less than one quarter of 1 percent of its budget, the newspaper noted. U.S. spending on development aid in 2003 was $16.2 billion, less than the $37.1 billion from the European Union.
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It's quite apparent to me,
the NY Times is using this disaster
to further their political agenda against Bush.
That's a shame, but I'm not surprised.
Where is the same criticism of Koffi Annan?
He finally made his public statement today, 24 hours after Bush.
And Koffi had to cut short a skiing vacation in Jackson Hole, Wyoming
to make his remarks in NY at the UN.

Anyway...so after hearing all I can take
of this unproductive whining and criticizing,
I decided it was time for me to do something productive...
today, I gave $50.00 to Feed The Children.
It felt really good doing that.
And I'm pretty sure the people who are suffering can use my $50.00,
more than they can use useless political rhetoric.

@Dark3n: if that makes me a "typical ignorant American"
as you seem to think we all are,
then so be it!

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its not the NY Times' fault that what they print is true.

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as you seem to think we all are,
then so be it!
well now he wouldnt be talking about you then, would he? he wasnt talking about MOST americans either. JFC

oh yeah on a side note to the whole f*cking bickering about which country is donating how much, fox news is estimating death toll to be 400,000+
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It’s just so like you typical ignorant Americans… You just have to make everything political and a competition…
Well, if I misunderstood what he meant by this
then I'm sure he'll tell me.
But thanks for your opinion anyway.

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Old 31st December 2004, 14:27   #68
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It's the good Americans over here like me and Papadoc who don't wait for the government to decide what to send of our tax money but decide for ourselves how much of our income to send.

You guys really need to stop judging Americans (as well as others) by what their governing bodies do. I am not a mirror of my government's policies.
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Old 31st December 2004, 14:56   #69
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Old 31st December 2004, 18:16   #70
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Indonesia has over 79,000 dead so far. Apparently one of the worst post-disaster threats is contamination of groundwater from the dead bodies. It's likely that an epidemic will result because of this, because so many bodies are just buried in the mud or strewn over such a large area. The Indonesian government is just digging mass graves to bury the dead around Banda Aceh. They have no time to identify the bodies or give anyone a proper burial.

I simply cannot fathom what it must be like to watch a wall of water come towards you, knowing there is nothing you can do. Apparently a lot of people died because they were standing on the beach watching. That is just stupid.
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It’s just so like you typical ignorant Americans… You just have to make everything political and a competition…
If I wanted to make this political I would just say that this is the part of the world where many of the manufacturing and technology jobs have gone because people in the US might make 20.00 an hour working and people in say India will do the same job for 5.00 a day. Maybe, just maybe, if people demanded a reasonable amount of pay as our people do they would have generated enough money to not have so many folks living in grass huts and dilapidated buildings. Guess if everyone here was making 5.00 a day we would be living in grass huts too.

Of course if your people demanded a reasonable amount of pay then the work wouldnt be going there, would it.

You wanted political, you got it.

Now if we want to talk about giving money in the face of disaster let me ask this of the bashers ... how many countries gave money to America in the face of three hurricanes in Florida? Can you say not a damn one? How many sent money during the massive midwest floods in the 80's? Not a damn one? 9-11? Not a damn one?

See where I'm going with this bashers. Yes, everyone wants to go off of America, call America shit, terrorists, war mongers and the most hated country on the planet - until someone needs our help. When the tables turn America is a great generous country who should help everyone everywhere on the planet. When you dont need help the world goes back to bashing America.

Maybe you should think about that for awhile and think first before bashing our people because we are almost always the largest donator at times like these but it makes a person think twice after we are bashed repeatedly by people in other countries. Sure, we're saddened by the death of this many people - who the hell wouldn't be - but we also have our own homeless people to think about, our own people hit with floods and natural disasters (Florida, California, Gluf Coast) and of course a war that we don't even want to be fighting. But when these things happen no one comes to our aid. No countries give money to help the homeless and dead. No one.

Just remember before you bash our country - you might be the next ones who need our help.

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There isn't a country on this planet that we haven't sent aid to.
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Sealand?

Actually, it may not "officially" be a country or whatnot. Principality anyways.

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Maybe people have less sympathy for a country full of people happy to spend over $400bn on the military (that's more than the next 20 highest spending countries combined). I mean if you can aford this you must be totally minted.

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On a monetary amount basis yes, on a GDP level (amount of money spent vs. overall countries wealth) we're not that far ahead of countries like Japan, China and I think Russia. Big countries mean big budgets.

And yes, I do think we forgot Sealand. Think if we invade them we can find some oil?

BTW our aid is now up to 350 million. Any other country out there even close? Bueller?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/31/us.aid/index.html

"The money was committed on Sunday when the emergency took place," Andrew Natsios told CNN's "American Morning." "It's action on the ground that is needed. We will get more than enough money from the president and I'm sure Congress later on when we need it."

Sen. Patrick Leahy Thursday said the intial U.S. offer "gave the wrong impression to the rest of the world."

"That's about half of what the little country of Spain is spending," the Vermont Democrat said. "We have to spend a great deal more than that. We should have been eagerly telling that part of the word, especially the Muslim part of that world, that we here in America are generous, a good people, and we are strongly committed to help them."

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Phily Baby, do you think all those people
who've been devastated by this disaster,
or their countries or their governments,
care right now how much we spend on our military?

When they look into the ocean,
and see our carrier and the other military ships,
that are there with helicopters, medicine, people, fresh water,
food and supplies, do you think they care how much we
spend on our military.
Or when they look into the sky,
and see those military planes coming in
with food, water, supplies, and such,
do you think they care how much we spend on our military?
No, I'd guess they're pretty thankfull about it.
The United States military is not always about war and fighting.

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Water is pumped from a canal to be filtered for the approximately 3,000 residents of three villages near Camp Taqaddum, Iraq, on July 25, 2004, thanks to a water purification station funded by the Marines and constructed by Iraqis. Earlier, leaders from 3rd Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment, met with the village leader, Muktar Ismael Hamaad, 36, and district manager, Thayer Hamdallah, 28, to cut the ribbon to the station. The $175,000 project also brought construction and maintenance jobs to the village. Iraqis broke ground on the project June 8. Elements of the reserve infantry battalion provide security for the 1st Force Service Support Group at nearby Camp Taqaddum. (Photo by Staff Sgt. Bill Lisbon)








Sgt. 1st Class Fisher with the 96th Civil Affairs Battalion unloads boxes of coloring books and crayons for children of the Karacham village located outside the city of Dibis, Iraq. (U.S. Army photo by Pfc. Elizabeth Erste)










Builder 3rd Class Carlos Hernandez, assigned to Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Seven Four (NMCB-74), supervises an Iraqi worker as he cuts wood that will be used to support a hut at the Fallujah Liaison Team building located outside of Fallujah, Iraq. The Seabees teach the local Iraqis to build in the hopes that they will use the skills to help rebuild their community. (U.S. Marine Corps. photo by Cpl. Christopher M. Tirado)










Senior Master Sgt. Daniel Dixon, 407th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron, gives water and candy to a local Iraqi girl during a visit outside the Tallil Air Base Parimeter in support of Operation Reachout. Operation Reachout is a program started by Security Forces members to build a friendship with the surrounding Bedouin families. SFS Members visit these families on a weekly basis, to see how they are doing, bring MREs, water, and candy for the children. (U.S. AIr Force photo by Staff Sgt. Christina Rumsey)









Staff Sgt. Rodney L. Pfeifer, a motor transportation mechanic with 3rd Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment, speaks to an Iraqi child during a visit to a village west of Fallujah in the Al Anbar province of Iraq April 22, 2004. Members of the battalion made the visit to the village to provide the children shoes and school supplies, as well as give them basic medical check-ups. The shoes and school supplies were donated by friends and family members of the battalion's Marines and sailors. The battalion provides security for the 1st Force Service Support Group at Camp Taqaddum, Iraq, and has conducted several visits to surrounding communities in hopes of building a positive rapport with the local population. Pfeifer, 36, is from Aurora, Neb. (Photo by Sgt. Matt Epright)








Task Force Pirate and Task Force Victory soldiers unload medical supplies from a 14th Aviation Regiment Chinook helicopter that drops off humanitarian aid on a landing zone in Jegdalek, Afghanistan. They provided medical clinics for both the men and women of the village as well as a veterinary clinic. (U.S. Army photo by 1st Lt. Patricia Sinnett)









An Iraqi woman with her children in tow carries off a box of humanitarian food rations distributed by Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 12 Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division 0n August 28. The food was meant to help eleviate the problems incurred by the Kamilaya residents when insurgents launched an uprising in their area on August 5. Photo by Sgt. Dan Purcell-122 MPAD








Two Iraqi girls from Al Kush, Iraq, a village approximately 50 km from Mosul, look at the new beanie babies they received from Soldiers with the 416th Civil Affairs Battalion, an Army Reserve unit from Norristown, Pa. The Soldiers were in Al Kush working with local children to teach them the game of baseball. The 416th Youth Soccer and Sports committee is promoting youth sports in the rural areas of northern Iraq by working with local coaches and youth to provide equipment and training. (Photo by Spc. Blair Larson)



Paratroopers with the 82nd Airborne Division, prepare to load onto a C-130 aircraft at Al Asad Air Base, Iraq. The C-130s forward deployed in support of Operation All-American Lightning. The operation was a joint U.S. Air Force and Army show of force capabilities exercise. Air Force A-10s conducted strafing runs and F-16s dropped a dozen bombs on a simulated target near the air field before the C-130s dropped 240 paratroopers from the 82nd. The joint show of force demonstrated the abilities of the U.S. military to continue to respond and conduct its missions in a deployed environment. (DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Suzanne M. Jenkins, U.S. Air Force.)























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In case anyone seems to have forgot what this thread was originally about , here a reminder of where you can donate your hard earned dollar, euro, pound etc etc etc to help.

So quit bitching about whose monetary pile is the biggest, put your hand in your pocket and help out.

Monetary donations are often preferrable as oftentimes it is cheaper to purchase relief supplies incountry rather than incurring shipping costs.


British Red Cross www.redcross.org.uk/homepage.asp

American Red Cross www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

Oxfam http://www.oxfam.org.uk/what_you_can...aquake1204.htm

Thai Red Cross www.redcross.or.th/english/home/index.php4

CARE www.care.org

Oxfam America www.oxfamamerica.org

Mercy Corps www.mercycorps.org

Red Cross/Red Crescent www.ifrc.org

Church World Service www.churchworldservice.org

Save the Children www.savethechildren.org

AmeriCares www.americares.org

Salvation Army www.sawso.org

Christian Children's Fund www.christianchildrensfund.org

World Concern www.worldconcern.org

Complilation of other aid sites:

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/interac...&navid=6758618

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4127553.stm



for those who want to send a check:


Action Against Hunger
247 West 37th Street
New York, NY 10018
212-967-7800
www.actionagainsthunger.org

ADRA International
Asia Quake Fund
12501 Old Columbia Pike
Silver Spring, MD 20904
800-424-ADRA (2372)
www.adra.org

Air Serv International
6583 Merchant Place, Suite 100
Warrenton, VA 20187
www.airserv.org

American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, Inc.
JDC-South Asia Tsunami Relief
P.O. Box 321
847A Second Avenue
New York, New York 10017
212-885-0832
www.jdc.org

American Jewish World Service
45 W. 36th St., 10th Fl.
New York, NY 10018
212-736-2597
www.ajws.org

AmeriCares
88 Hamilton Ave
Stamford, CT 06902
800-486-4357
www.americares.org

Baptist World Aid
Asia Tidal Waves
405 North Washington Street
Falls Church, VA 22046
703 790 8980
www.bwanet.org/bwaid

B'nai B'rith International
B'nai B'rith Disaster Relief Fund
2020 K. Street NW
7th Floor
Washington, DC 20006
212-490-3290
www.bnaibrith.org

Brother's Brother Foundation
1200 Galveston Ave
Pittsburgh, PA 15233
412-321-3160
www.brothersbrother.org

CARE
151 Ellis Street NE
Atlanta, GA 30303
800-521-CARE
www.care.org

Catholic Relief Services
209 West Fayette Street
Baltimore, MD 21201
800-HELP-CRS
www.catholicrelief.org

Christian Children’s Fund
Child Alert Fund
PO Box 26484
Richmond, Virginia - 23261-6484
800-776-6767
www.ChristianChildrensFund.org

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee (CRWRC)
South Asia Earthquake
2850 Kalamazoo Ave. SE
Grand Rapids, MI, 49560
800-55-CRWRC
www.crwrc.org

Church World Service
PO Box 968
Elkhart, IN 46515
800-297-1516
www.churchworldservice.org

Direct Relief International
27 South La Patera Lane
Santa Barbara, CA 93117
805-964-4767
www.directrelief.org

Food for the Hungry, Inc.
Food for the Hungry
Asia Quake Relief
1224 E. Washington St.
Phoenix, AZ 85034
800-2-HUNGERS
www.fh.org

International Aid
17011 W. Hickory
Spring Lake, MI 49456
800-968-7490
www.internationalaid.org

International Medical Corps
Tsunami Emergency Response
1919 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite 300
Santa Monica, CA 90404-1950
800-481-4462
www.imcworldwide.org

International Relief Teams
Asia Earthquake/Floods
3547 Camino Del Rio South, Suite C
San Diego, CA 92108
619-284-7979
www.IRTeams.org

International Rescue Committee
PO Box 5058
Hagerstown, MD 21741-9874
877-REFUGEE or 733-8433
www.theIRC.org

Latter-Day Saint Charities
Welfare Services Emergency Response
50 East North Temple Street, Room 701
Salt Lake City, Utah, 84150-6800
801-240-3544
ldscharities@ldschurch.org

Lutheran World Relief
South Asia Tsunami
700 Light Street
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-230-2700
www.lwr.org

MAP International
P.O. Box 215000
Brunswick, GA 31521
800-225-8550
www.map.org

Mercy Corps
Southeast Asia Earthquake
Dept. W
PO Box 2669
Portland, OR 97208-2669
800-852-2100
www.mercycorps.org

Operation USA
8320 Melrose Ave. #200
Los Angeles, CA 90069
800-678-8876
www.opusa.org

Oxfam America
Asian Earthquake Fund
PO Box 1211
Albert Lea, MN 56007-1211
800-77-OXFAM
www.oxfamamerica.org

Plan USA
Asia Disaster
155 Plan Way
Warwick, RI 02886
800-556-7918
www.planusa.org

Project Concern International
Asia Tsunamis Press List
5151 Murphy Canyon Road Suite 320
San Diego, CA 92123
858-279-9690
www.projectconcern.org

Project HOPE
Asia Tsunami Response
255 Carter Hall Lane
Millwood, VA 22646
800-544-4673
www.projecthope.org

SAWSO (Salvation Army World Service Office)
South Asia Relief Fund
615 Slaters Lane
Alexandria, VA, 22313
800-SALV-ARMY

Save the Children USA
54 Wilton Road
Westport, CT 06880
1-800-728-3843
www.savethechildren.org

Stop Hunger Now
SE Asia crisis
2501 Clark Ave, Suite 200
Raleigh, NC 27607
888-501-8440
www.stophungernow.org

US Fund for UNICEF
General Emergency Fund
333 E. 38th Street
New York, NY 10016
800-4-UNICEF
www.unicefusa.org

World Concern
Asia Earthquake and Tsunami
19303 Fremont Avenue North
Seattle, WA 98133
800-755-5022
www.worldconcern.org

World Emergency Relief
2270-D Camino Vida Roble
Carlsbad, CA 92009
760-930-8001
www.worldemergencyrelief.org

World Vision
P.O. Box 70288
Tacoma, WA 98481-0288
800-56-CHILD
www.worldvision.org
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I went in to my work last night, and now I'm working tonight so I can give the wages to one of these funds. Hurrah.

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I gave the rather paltry sum of £8. I'm gonna give more next week.




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