Windows Upgrade Question

Sandman2012 · 15th September 2002, 07:09

I'm thinking about getting XP for my computer. If I get the upgrade version instead of the full version will I ever be able to do a fully clean install, or does the upgrade version not allow that?

Cheezychops · 15th September 2002, 07:48

i believe you can but u will have to have a os on the computer first.

Oni-Dracula · 15th September 2002, 10:04

there are some componants of your old OS that the upgrade needs (god knows what, probably a little text file that says what your OS is). I think you can do a clean install if you have a 98, ME, or 2000 disc. If you're upgrading from 2000 pro, you need to buy XP pro upgrade instead of the home. Otherwise, drop the few hundred on the full version.

c2R · 15th September 2002, 10:37

Quote:

Originally posted by JustSomeOni
there are some componants of your old OS that the upgrade needs (god knows what, probably a little text file that says what your OS is).

On previous versions a full install from an upgrade CD was easily possible, either by editing a text file to say it was the full version, or in some circumstances by supplying the relavent install disk 1, or CD of a previous version.

I don't know what the situation with Windows XP is... I'd guess that Microsoft have probably made it more difficult, what with adding the product activation and all, but I haven't tried it (I had a XP preinstall at work, and we tried an early beta dual-boot thing before that).

dylman · 15th September 2002, 11:00

It's worth getting the full version if you can, I think. If you shop around you may be able to find soemone who will sell you an OEM version, for a lot less than normal price. Only downside to that is you may have to buy some hardware with it. I bought a £10 modem card with mine and saved 50% on XP Pro...

baafie · 15th September 2002, 17:39

I would recommend getting a cheap copy of Windows 2000 Professional instead. For advanced Windows users, Windows XP offers little advantage (besides hardware compatibility and gaming). Besides, "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free"

ctn|chrisw · 15th September 2002, 17:47

u can install clean..u have to have 98, 2000, or me on your puter first. get xp pro if u get xp.

rm' · 15th September 2002, 17:47

baafie is right. About the only advantage you will get from XP is XP Themes (but since w2k needs less system resources, you will be able to run WindowsBlinds stably anyway, and WB skins are of better quality then XP themes

). I personally am running XP out of curiosity, then anything else (plus, it came with with my system). I may revert to Windows 2000 in the near future.

If you do decide to go the XP route, get the Home edition. You probably won't need the extra features provided by Pro (encrypted file system, better user management, better remote connectivity [remote desktop, Tablet PC integration]).

laz · 15th September 2002, 18:08

I say look for the OEM version. You can make a full clean install on a new computer, just halfway though the install or so, it will ask for an older windows cd and will then continue on.

ctn|chrisw · 15th September 2002, 18:08

I have home edition. Home edition sucks. It screws up on all 7 of my computers. Get pro or 2000

rm' · 15th September 2002, 18:17

If you couldn't manage to install Home edition successfully, what makes you think Pro or Windows 2000 would be any different?

S-T · 15th September 2002, 20:20

U Shoult Pick Windows 2000 Server..

My 2000 Server has been Running for about 1 Year without any Blue Screens and Failures now....

You's S-T Inc'

ctn|chrisw · 15th September 2002, 20:42

Quote:

Originally posted by rm'
If you couldn't manage to install Home edition successfully, what makes you think Pro or Windows 2000 would be any different?

I got it installed. It just sucks

eleet-2k2 · 15th September 2002, 21:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheezychops
i believe you can but u will have to have a os on the computer first.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned already but right now I'm kind of in a hurry on the net.

If you get the WinXP Upgrade Ed. and you want to do a clean install, 99% likely it will just ask for a previous version of Windows (probably asks for 200/NT/other XP) possibly 98/ME even.

Hope that helps!

laz · 15th September 2002, 22:20

eleet, i said that, no prob.
Ok get pro, Home is HORRIBLE. It is programed to be slower!
But make sure then you install XP you give the c partition like 4 gigs, and install windows on it only. and make sure you make other partitions and that is here you want all of your program data saved to.
My XP pro box is slowing down on the boot-up (takes a minute and a half to boot up, and cpu usage is like 70% to 100% for about 4 minuts afterwards, then goes to 2%). And I didn't do that partitioning (only 3, 2 for linux and 1 for windows). So i want to install it againg from scratch, but i will lose all of my data. And if you had other partitions, that wouldnt happen (if done right)

(edit, WOO! im now a member!)

rm' · 15th September 2002, 22:24

Quote:

Originally posted by laz9999
Home is HORRIBLE. It is programed to be slower!

I played around with Pro. It is simply not worth the money. It provides absolutely no benefits to the home user, which is exactly what Sandman is.

n_ick2000 · 16th September 2002, 04:49

Quote:

Originally posted by laz9999
Home is HORRIBLE. It is programed to be slower!

umm, no. If anything, it would be faster. Without all (some) of the extra bloat from MS designed for businesses, it should run faster. There is no reason why MS would ever make an OS designed to be slow.

S-T · 16th September 2002, 14:19

Win XP Sucks BIGTIME[/B]

Try Windows 2000 Server insted

S-T Inc

ctn|chrisw · 16th September 2002, 15:01

Quote:

Originally posted by S-T
Win XP Sucks BIGTIME

Try Windows 2000 Server insted

S-T Inc [/B]

All you need is w2kpro. Dont bother with server.

Atmo · 16th September 2002, 15:50

Its entirely possible to do a clean install with an upgrade version of xp.

If you already have win98, 98se or me, and buy the home version, boot from the cd and it will recognise that there is already an os installed. When you get to the screen where you choose which partition to install to, choose the partition where windows was previously installed, then format it with the ntfs file system. Of course you'll have to back up everything first.

This ensures you have a 100% fresh install of windows, with no reminents of drivers left from 9x.

If you dont have 9x installed, then you'll need a to insert full version cd of 98, 98se or me when it asks you to. If you go for winxp pro, then you'll need to either have nt4 or 2000 installed previously, or provide one of those cd's instead.

Its not even neccesary to own the full version cd's of the os' required for the upgrade versions...but you didnt hear that from me.

Just borrow a copy, since you'll be able to clean install an upgrade version of xp just as long as it's already installed on the system when you boot from the cd.

The only time you'll ever need to provide a full version of a previous windows cd would be if your hard drive is completely destroyed or stolen. Even clean installing onto a brand new drive is easy, just ghost your current install to the new drive, then format it when you get to the screen where you choose which partition to install to.

Buying OEM full versions is a wank, they cost more than the upgrade versions (which dont need to be installed over a previous os, so they arent really an upgrade anyway) and dont come with customer support from ms.

If something goes wrong with it, you'll have to contact the vendor you bought it from, and unless you bought your entire pc from them they wont want to help much.

If you have anything slower than a p2 400 and less than 128mb of ram, then go for 2000, since you wont be able to run with all the extra niceties that xp comes with, but if your pc can handle it (500mhz, 128+mb ram) then get xp, its definately worth it.

Sandman2012 · 16th September 2002, 18:48

Atmo, thank you for your informative response. That was all the info I needed. XP should run fine on my system (1.1 gig Athlon, 256 MB RAM). I've been having some hardware issues lately, so I probably won't upgrade until I resolve them.

ctn|chrisw · 16th September 2002, 21:10

if you run the setup from dos by runing /i386/winnt then it doesnt even ask for a cd.

15th September 2002, 07:09	#1
Sandman2012 <3 foobar2k (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,202	Windows Upgrade Question I'm thinking about getting XP for my computer. If I get the upgrade version instead of the full version will I ever be able to do a fully clean install, or does the upgrade version not allow that? pabook.net

15th September 2002, 07:48	#2
Cheezychops Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 767	i believe you can but u will have to have a os on the computer first. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average person is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who's changed is Dro! He's become bitter, and let's face it, crazy over the years. He'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat. And he'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place! Muhuhahahaha!

15th September 2002, 11:00	#5
dylman Forum King Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hawarden Posts: 2,115	It's worth getting the full version if you can, I think. If you shop around you may be able to find soemone who will sell you an OEM version, for a lot less than normal price. Only downside to that is you may have to buy some hardware with it. I bought a £10 modem card with mine and saved 50% on XP Pro... There's no need to tell me when I'm right; I operate on that principle exclusively and with absolute certainty

15th September 2002, 20:20	#12
S-T Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 5	Help for You U Shoult Pick Windows 2000 Server.. My 2000 Server has been Running for about 1 Year without any Blue Screens and Failures now.... You's S-T Inc'

16th September 2002, 14:19	#18
S-T Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 5	Win XP Sucks Win XP Sucks BIGTIME[/B] Try Windows 2000 Server insted S-T Inc

15th September 2002, 10:04	#3
Oni-Dracula Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,591	there are some componants of your old OS that the upgrade needs (god knows what, probably a little text file that says what your OS is). I think you can do a clean install if you have a 98, ME, or 2000 disc. If you're upgrading from 2000 pro, you need to buy XP pro upgrade instead of the home. Otherwise, drop the few hundred on the full version.

15th September 2002, 17:39	#6
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,768	I would recommend getting a cheap copy of Windows 2000 Professional instead. For advanced Windows users, Windows XP offers little advantage (besides hardware compatibility and gaming). Besides, "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free"

15th September 2002, 17:47	#7
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	u can install clean..u have to have 98, 2000, or me on your puter first. get xp pro if u get xp.

15th September 2002, 17:47	#8
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	baafie is right. About the only advantage you will get from XP is XP Themes (but since w2k needs less system resources, you will be able to run WindowsBlinds stably anyway, and WB skins are of better quality then XP themes ). I personally am running XP out of curiosity, then anything else (plus, it came with with my system). I may revert to Windows 2000 in the near future. If you do decide to go the XP route, get the Home edition. You probably won't need the extra features provided by Pro (encrypted file system, better user management, better remote connectivity [remote desktop, Tablet PC integration]).

15th September 2002, 18:08	#9
laz Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the internet Posts: 1,089	I say look for the OEM version. You can make a full clean install on a new computer, just halfway though the install or so, it will ask for an older windows cd and will then continue on.

15th September 2002, 18:17	#11
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	If you couldn't manage to install Home edition successfully, what makes you think Pro or Windows 2000 would be any different?

15th September 2002, 22:20	#15
laz Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the internet Posts: 1,089	eleet, i said that, no prob. Ok get pro, Home is HORRIBLE. It is programed to be slower! But make sure then you install XP you give the c partition like 4 gigs, and install windows on it only. and make sure you make other partitions and that is here you want all of your program data saved to. My XP pro box is slowing down on the boot-up (takes a minute and a half to boot up, and cpu usage is like 70% to 100% for about 4 minuts afterwards, then goes to 2%). And I didn't do that partitioning (only 3, 2 for linux and 1 for windows). So i want to install it againg from scratch, but i will lose all of my data. And if you had other partitions, that wouldnt happen (if done right) (edit, WOO! im now a member!)

16th September 2002, 15:50	#20
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Its entirely possible to do a clean install with an upgrade version of xp. If you already have win98, 98se or me, and buy the home version, boot from the cd and it will recognise that there is already an os installed. When you get to the screen where you choose which partition to install to, choose the partition where windows was previously installed, then format it with the ntfs file system. Of course you'll have to back up everything first. This ensures you have a 100% fresh install of windows, with no reminents of drivers left from 9x. If you dont have 9x installed, then you'll need a to insert full version cd of 98, 98se or me when it asks you to. If you go for winxp pro, then you'll need to either have nt4 or 2000 installed previously, or provide one of those cd's instead. Its not even neccesary to own the full version cd's of the os' required for the upgrade versions...but you didnt hear that from me. Just borrow a copy, since you'll be able to clean install an upgrade version of xp just as long as it's already installed on the system when you boot from the cd. The only time you'll ever need to provide a full version of a previous windows cd would be if your hard drive is completely destroyed or stolen. Even clean installing onto a brand new drive is easy, just ghost your current install to the new drive, then format it when you get to the screen where you choose which partition to install to. Buying OEM full versions is a wank, they cost more than the upgrade versions (which dont need to be installed over a previous os, so they arent really an upgrade anyway) and dont come with customer support from ms. If something goes wrong with it, you'll have to contact the vendor you bought it from, and unless you bought your entire pc from them they wont want to help much. If you have anything slower than a p2 400 and less than 128mb of ram, then go for 2000, since you wont be able to run with all the extra niceties that xp comes with, but if your pc can handle it (500mhz, 128+mb ram) then get xp, its definately worth it. :Psykotech:

16th September 2002, 18:48	#21
Sandman2012 <3 foobar2k (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,202	Atmo, thank you for your informative response. That was all the info I needed. XP should run fine on my system (1.1 gig Athlon, 256 MB RAM). I've been having some hardware issues lately, so I probably won't upgrade until I resolve them. pabook.net

16th September 2002, 21:10	#22
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	if you run the setup from dos by runing /i386/winnt then it doesnt even ask for a cd.

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