Liquid Light!

Orgone_Man · 2nd October 2002, 23:20

I initially read about this in the latest "Discover" magazine, but I will post this website so I don't have to type the article out.

http://www.gyre.org/news/cache/2325

Well, folks, I believe we have just stepped into the future.

RanDom_ErrOr · 2nd October 2002, 23:43

now all we have to do is wait for crystal based electronics (like elctroncs that are crystals like in stargate...)

InvisableMan · 2nd October 2002, 23:50

why cant they be working on something more useful than disturbing the quantum photon continuum?

rm' · 3rd October 2002, 01:07

"Liiiisaaaaa! In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!"

SNYder · 3rd October 2002, 03:05

If liquid light doesn't get me a date, then I don't care about it.

Xerxes · 3rd October 2002, 03:54

Seems.... hoaxy to me.

fwgx · 3rd October 2002, 09:00

Quote:

Originally posted by rm'
"Liiiisaaaaa! In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!"

Brilliant quote. But is liquid light ok to drink?

binary hero · 3rd October 2002, 09:01

i agree with rex. i want pictars.

Hamylde · 3rd October 2002, 11:52

Since when is light a gas (or anything close to gas)???????

Seems very weird!! and I don't really believe it.

-> it would kinda look cool, if you could make "light Ice Cubes" that would shed a whole new light on drinks (ok.. that was a really lame pun)

zootm · 3rd October 2002, 13:10

since a gas is a random collection of quickly moving particles, and light is a collection of quickly moving photons, it's not too hard to see the connection - a ray of light is like wind with photons...

that's the coolest thing i've read all day

Naamloos · 3rd October 2002, 13:25

Sounds very interesting, i hope it wont be a trendwhore like those lava-lamps

Hamylde · 3rd October 2002, 13:25

Yeah... but it's probably not quite that easy. light shares both the nature of a wave and of a quantum object, now which other gas does that?

But seriously, light can't become a fluid or even a solid: The theory of relativity states that photons can only "exist" at the speed of light -> Usually, in order to change something from a gas to a fluid to a solid, you have to slow down the particles -> but if you slow down the particles in light (photons), these will diminish, thus leaving you with NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

That's pretty much why I don't believe the story -> it would prove the theory of relativity to be wrong. and we wouldn't want that now, would we

[(Hamylde)]

zootm · 3rd October 2002, 13:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamylde
Yeah... but it's probably not quite that easy. light shares both the nature of a wave and of a quantum object, now which other gas does that?

they weren't saying it was actually a liquid, more that it behaved like a liquid in the ways that normal light behaves a little like a gas - they're drawing a parallel, not saying it's an actual liquid.

also, they're using nonlinear materials, in which the speed of light is variable (speed of light varies in different materials, but is usually uniform throughout the materials), so it's most likely some kinda of relative thing. and it certainly doesn't defy the theory of relativity.

you couldn't have a glass of liquid light, for instance - the properties that are useful are outlined in the article, and that's probably all the ways that it'll noticably differ from normal light.

Hamylde · 3rd October 2002, 13:40

oh.. I see.. Thanx zootm!

(I guess I took the article a bit too literally... stupid 'ol me!)

[(Hamylde)]

fwgx · 3rd October 2002, 13:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamylde
Tat's pretty much why I don't believe the story -> it would prove the theory of relativity to be wrong. and we wouldn't want that now, would we

Sorry to break your bubble but the theory of relativity is wrong and always has been.

Hamylde · 3rd October 2002, 13:44

Could I hear some more details Phily?

zootm · 3rd October 2002, 13:46

just ran this past my (physics student) flatmate. he said "oh, that's clever - i wouldn't have thought of that..."

. - .... .- -. .... · 3rd October 2002, 14:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
Brilliant quote. But is liquid light ok to drink?

Glow-in-the-dark piss.... sweeeeeeettttt......

Orgone_Man · 3rd October 2002, 14:49

For all of you out there that need pictures ("pictars"), then go get the newest discover magazine. The pictures aren't the best, but they are picures non the less.

fwgx · 3rd October 2002, 15:25

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamylde
Could I hear some more details Phily?

It's a theory that best explains motions and gravity at speeds aproaching the speed of light. Newtonian physics is easiest at speeds not approaching the speed of light but that breaks down as speeds increase. As does the theory of relativity at the speed of light and at a quantum level. To say that the theory of relativity was not wrong would be to say that we know everything about gravity and motion in all possible circumstances, which we do not. It is just a theory that best fits what we observe well for most circumstances. and is also why we have quantum theory which hopes to explain all of what the theory of realtivity explains but at more extream boundaries - distances on par with a Plank unit and the speed of light.

Hamylde · 3rd October 2002, 15:49

I see the point you're getting at. I just thought you meant it was all a bunch of bologna (which it isn't).

My head seems to be in the wrong place today.. I keep misunderstanding things... D'OH!

[(Hamylde)]

2nd October 2002, 23:20	#1
Orgone_Man Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 1,235	Liquid Light! I initially read about this in the latest "Discover" magazine, but I will post this website so I don't have to type the article out. http://www.gyre.org/news/cache/2325 Well, folks, I believe we have just stepped into the future.

3rd October 2002, 03:54	#6
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,687	Seems.... hoaxy to me. Now is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of their Country

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2nd October 2002, 23:43	#2
RanDom_ErrOr Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The loony bin, just outside of nutsville,USA. I would visit you, but my room is padded and i cant get out... Posts: 947	now all we have to do is wait for crystal based electronics (like elctroncs that are crystals like in stargate...)

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InvisableMan Ninja Master! (Forum King) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Hotel California Posts: 4,325	why cant they be working on something more useful than disturbing the quantum photon continuum?

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rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	"Liiiisaaaaa! In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!"

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SNYder Forum King Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 4,432	If liquid light doesn't get me a date, then I don't care about it.

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binary hero Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 7,004	i agree with rex. i want pictars.

3rd October 2002, 11:52	#9
Hamylde Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Beneath the darkened sky Posts: 227	Since when is light a gas (or anything close to gas)??????? Seems very weird!! and I don't really believe it. -> it would kinda look cool, if you could make "light Ice Cubes" that would shed a whole new light on drinks (ok.. that was a really lame pun)

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zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	since a gas is a random collection of quickly moving particles, and light is a collection of quickly moving photons, it's not too hard to see the connection - a ray of light is like wind with photons... that's the coolest thing i've read all day

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Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	Sounds very interesting, i hope it wont be a trendwhore like those lava-lamps

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Hamylde Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Beneath the darkened sky Posts: 227	oh.. I see.. Thanx zootm! (I guess I took the article a bit too literally... stupid 'ol me!) [(Hamylde)]

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Hamylde Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Beneath the darkened sky Posts: 227	Could I hear some more details Phily?

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zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	just ran this past my (physics student) flatmate. he said "oh, that's clever - i wouldn't have thought of that..."

3rd October 2002, 14:49	#19
Orgone_Man Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 1,235	For all of you out there that need pictures ("pictars"), then go get the newest discover magazine. The pictures aren't the best, but they are picures non the less.

3rd October 2002, 15:49	#21
Hamylde Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Beneath the darkened sky Posts: 227	I see the point you're getting at. I just thought you meant it was all a bunch of bologna (which it isn't). My head seems to be in the wrong place today.. I keep misunderstanding things... D'OH! [(Hamylde)]