Is this Murder?

[Xerxes]

Story :-X

This german man successfully solicited on the internet for a guy who would volunteer to have his penis sliced off and subsequently flambe'ed and eaten, and then killed. He was looking for another volunteer when he was arrested...

[Anacific]

WTF!? Of course that's a murder.
Sick!

[Xerxes]

My thought about this is if Suicide is legalized, than it opens the field up to terrible things like this.

[Magic_Midget]

i guess the guy wanted to go out in style...but thanks xerxes for making me loose my lunch

*goes out and throws grilled hot dogs in trash*

[Xerxes]

You never know with my posts of news of bizzare creatures and curious prodigies, come one come all

[dam]

OMG! Thats crazy, not to mentions sick.

[duet maxwell]

messed up! O_o

[Sandman2012]

from the article
"The deed appears to stem from cannibalistic and homosexual tendencies shared by both men," police said on Wednesday in a statement...

Aren't the police overlooking the men's homicidal and suicidal natures a bit? Or is it just that the words cannibal and homosexual are more sensational and sell more papers?

[zootm]

yeah, somebody posted the bbc news report on our uni chatroom. sickening.

[J. Burnaway]

I just can't picture some guy, freshly "dewangified", tasting his own unit and calmly stating, "you know, this really would taste better fried"...

[RanDom_ErrOr]

lol, thanks, i needed a laugh today

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by J. Burnaway
I just can't picture some guy, freshly "dewangified", tasting his own unit and calmly stating, "you know, this really would taste better fried"...

Yeah, ever since Hannibal Lecter all human flesh eaters are such gourmets. "Human phallus flambeed with a light wine sauce"

[Some1]

Is this Murder?

Not if the dude that got killed was truly a willing participant...I guess it depends on exactly what the videos show, but if that guy really was a willing participant, then nothing illegal occured (though I guess the cannibalism is kind of a gray area)...it's basically the same thing as a physician assisted suicide, except in this case, the "physician" was demented and fucked up.

[patroclus22]

Probably Manslaughter, not Murder.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Cannabalism is a normal practice amongst some pacific people.

[Bop]

"Mmmmm, jam doughnut..."

[hestermofet]

"Ich bin ein Berliner!"

[White Raven]

That is the most perverted, disturbing, and utterly weirdest thing I have ever heard. You'd have to have two very weird, messed up people to want to submit to that kind of thing...

And how could the dead dude possibly have gotten anything out of it? He had his... 'member' cut off, so he couldn't have gotten any jizzums out of it.

[blumoon11]

This is just ver very sick and disgusting
By the way did the victim eat of his penis as well?

[White Raven]

Originally posted by blumoon11
This is just ver very sick and disgusting
By the way did the victim eat of his penis as well?

Yep, he did. Read the report more closely.

And question: How do you post pictures so that they show up as pics in the post and not as attachments?

[capitan3]

Funny thing i just heard it on the news. Crazy people. they should get fried for it, for been a murderer and a sicko.

[pixiefied]

hmmm..baked penis.or even stirfry penis in white wine...hmmmm.

[Trigear]

you know you like it raw :P

[pixiefied]

oh yes! and with a little bit of white sauce on the side!

[meaisl8again]

The dead man apparently replied to an advertisement posted on the Internet, prosecutors said. One newspaper said it read: "Seeking young, well-built 18- to 30-year-old for slaughter."

Well, at least he doesn't mind voicing his needs.

By the way, that jelly doughnut reminded me of something my grandfather did once. He was the owner/publisher of a small town paper. There was a car accident in this town called Jolly. (real small texas town.) The next day, the headline was, "JOLLY CRASH KILLS TWO". They didn't catch the problem until the next day, as they were prepping the article at like 3 am. It's funny right now, but it wasn't at the time. Oh well. The townspeople thought it was funny after a bit as well.

Lots of love,
Mea

[Trigear]

i like what royal tenenbaum did, at the end of his movie.

when he died he had something very heroic and very untrue engraved onto his tombstone. like "died selflessly pulling small children out of a burning house" or something like that... that and the father in "toys" who had a laugh box planted in his coffin right before the funeral.

i don't want people to be sad when i die. i want them to miss me, but i also want them to remember me cheerfully instead of gloomily. i don't see death as something to mope excessively over.

[binary hero]

is this murder?

yes:

before carving him up and freezing the man's remaining body parts to eat later

...
how can that be manslaughter, accidental death or anything else?

[meaisl8again]

That's a good point. But here's a question. If you let yourself be killed, does that count as suicide? Or murder? Or both? If you wanted to die, it would sort of be an odd situation there. It's like consentual murder or something. Weird.

Lots of love,
Mea

[Some1]

how can that be manslaughter, accidental death or anything else?

It's "assisted suicide"...just a REALLY bizarre case of assisted suicide. As long as there's ample evidence that the guy who got killed and eaten wanted to get killed and eaten, then the other guy shouldn't be sent to jail...a mental hospital maybe, but not jail. Laws against killing are based upon the premise that people don't want to be killed, and in this case the premise doesn't apply, so neither should the law.

[binary hero]

Originally posted by meaisl8again
That's a good point. But here's a question. If you let yourself be killed, does that count as suicide? Or murder? Or both? If you wanted to die, it would sort of be an odd situation there. It's like consentual murder or something. Weird.

Lots of love,
Mea

it depends on the situation, letting yourself be killed by falling rubble is suicide, but letting yourself be killed by a person is murder (this is based on the fact that there is someone performing the 'ending of life')

(check your PM's mea)

[meaisl8again]

It's "assisted suicide"...

But what is assisted suicide anyway? Does that count as murder, since another person is involved in killing another? Or is it just suicide? I thought that assisted suicide just provided the tools needed for a painless death. This seems like the eater person (for lack of a better description at the moment) was actually taking part in the killing of the other. I'm so confused...

Lots of love,
Mea

[Some1]

assisted suicide
n.
Suicide accomplished with the aid of another person, especially a physician.

Does that count as murder, since another person is involved in killing another?

Legally speaking, it's kind of a gray area...personally speaking, I feel that if somebody comes up to you and expresses a wish to die and asks for help, then it's fine for you to give it to them...though I don't see why slicing them open with a knife would be necessary when you could just hand them a plastic bag and say "here, have fun..."

I thought that assisted suicide just provided the tools needed for a painless death.

That's how it's usually used...like I said, this is a bizarre case of assisted suicide.

[meaisl8again]

I'm starting to visualize the fuzzy line here.

Did the cannibal cross the line, though, by physically touching the other person during the suicide? Isn't it illegal for the doctor to 'tug the string' when it's the IV type assistance, or for them to 'fit the mask' onto the person, when it's a toxic gas that kills them? Would this guy's slicing force this into the category of murder?

Lots of love,
Mea

[binary hero]

Originally posted by meaisl8again
I'm starting to visualize the fuzzy line here.

Did the cannibal cross the line, though, by physically touching the other person during the suicide? Isn't it illegal for the doctor to 'tug the string' when it's the IV type assistance, or for them to 'fit the mask' onto the person, when it's a toxic gas that kills them? Would this guy's slicing force this into the category of murder?

Lots of love,
Mea

that's what i was trying to say with my rubble.

[meaisl8again]

Want some of my coffee?

Lots of love,
Mea

[binary hero]

YES!

[Some1]

Isn't it illegal for the doctor to 'tug the string' when it's the IV type assistance, or for them to 'fit the mask' onto the person, when it's a toxic gas that kills them?

I'm not sure what the law says regarding the actual methodology used, but I do know that legally speaking, assisted suicide is not allowed in the vast majority of places, in any form...that aside though, I think more important than the level of physical involvement that the person giving assistance has in the suicide, is how sure that they were that the person that they were "assisting" wanted to die (i.e. is it something that they planned out well in advance, through the course of multiple conversations, or was it more along the lines of: "You know, I've always wondered what it would be like to be dead." "Well, I could help you find out..." "Really?" "Yes." *BANG*). I think the tapes are what should be used to determine whether it was an assisted suicide or a murder. If the guy getting killed sits there and takes it without protest, then I think it's clearly a case of assisted suicide...if he had ANY desire to live whatsoever, he would have fought back at the last moment, or screamed, or something...so if he just calmly sat there and let himself be cut open then I don't think that there should be any grounds for a murder charge.

[binary hero]

but...nobody would sit there and be cut open for the simple reason that it HURTS. That's a bit like saying, with the assisted suicide thing, if you wince as you stick the needle in your arm, you don't want to do it. so, where do you draw the line? if they scream because their leg has just been cut off, should it be murder?

[Some1]

but...nobody would sit there and be cut open for the simple reason that it HURTS.

I'm assuming that the guy who let himself be killed got REALLY doped up before the actual event...at least, I hope he did. I think the line needs to be drawn at probable consent...if they flinch away from the knife/needle/whatever before it touches them then no consent, but if they do nothing more than wince from the pain, then yes consent...similarly if they cry out, as long as they're not yelling something like "stop" or "no" or some similar thing, then you can still infer consent...so as long as he sat there and didn't try to fight the other guy off or run away or struggle to prevent the guy from finishing his cut(s) or yell at the guy to stop then I think it counts as consentual.

or for them to 'fit the mask' onto the person, when it's a toxic gas that kills them?

For the sake of informational accuracy...the gas typically used in assisted suicides (or regular suicides of the same nature) is not inherently toxic (99% of the time...most toxic gases have unfortunate, and painful, side-effects)...a normally benign gas, such as nitrogen, or helium, CO2, or even laughing gas is used. When breathed through a mask (or inside most any enclosed space) the inert gas will replace all the oxygen in your lungs, causing you to asphyxiate without feeling like you are suffocating, because you can continue to breathe normally, and there's no CO2 buildup in your lungs (holding your breath for a long time is unpleasant because of the CO2 buildup, not because of the oxygen lack), so you black out fairly quickly, and then die a few minutes later.

[psycheb]

in australia (or the state of queensland anyway), suicide is a crime punishable by (a minimum?) life imprisonment. Althought that sounds totally pointless, i'm pretty sure that assisting a crime or otherwise being a party to a crime holds the same sentance as the crime itself. therefor from that logic u'd be looking towards a life imprisonment for assisting a suicide... in queensland, australia anyway

i dunno how this would relate to other places of the world, but it's likely a similar case? just a guess and a bit of info for yas

-hugz

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