Removal of `rm - Page 2

steve · 7th January 2003, 06:05

'rm may have made many great contributions in the past, however, he being someone who WAS a mod of sometime should know that there are rules and consequences. He betrayed us and all the people he helped protect in his tenure. For this, he deserves nothing.

Our moderators have endured much anguish at his hand. His distaste for how these forums were wrong was noted, but that was not enough for him. If any of you feel that these forums are unbareable, then say your piece and try and make a difference. Help lead new conversations and condemn those who try to side track the existing ones. You complain about this placing going down the shit tubes but so few of you want to take part in addressing the issues.

You point your fingers blaming Nullsoft or the moderators looking for a scapegoat. There's only so much any of us can do. You all fail to realize that these moderators were just like you, just posting and some who made a difference were noticed and then chosen to lead. It doesn't take much, just some patience and common sense.

-s

Widdykats · 7th January 2003, 06:05

Bop.hester,randman.watadoo,papadoc...

<randman "gave" me that picture>

AjStone · 7th January 2003, 06:11

I have noticed that the post numbers are not visible anymore. Is that a direct result of all this?

Some1 · 7th January 2003, 06:16

Quote:

It's up to each and every one of you to make this a better place. If you see someone misbehaving or making trouble, tell them that their contributions are not appreciated and to go elsewhere. Notify a moderator and have them take action.

I don't know...that would certainly make this a more "law abiding" place, but does that necessarily make it "better"? Would america be a better country if there was a cop on every street corner, waiting to hand out tickets to anyone who jaywalked or drove 5 mph over the speed limit? Iron fisted enforcement of the rules does not necessarily a better place make...

AjStone · 7th January 2003, 06:30

Yes, I checked that Nem, but why are they removed from the general thread view? Is it because of post-pumping?

Also, the Rules button is now red (and more visible). Another change?

Bizznatch · 7th January 2003, 06:47

It has already been proven on this forum many times that post count doesnt mean shit or being a "Forum King" or whatever means you can do whatever you want on these forums and breaking the rules constantly.

This happened before with NeoRenegade and now hestermofet. The admins are tired, the mods are tired, and personally I am tired.

This change needed to happen, anyone who is against it please log out and never sign back in, cuz these forums don't need another hestermofet or NeoRenegade.

Other than that, HAVE FUN PEOPLE!!!!

AjStone · 7th January 2003, 06:49

Then lets get some new Moderators. I think that Bilbo is doing a great job, but there should be new Mod blood. (That's just My2Cents)

Bizznatch · 7th January 2003, 06:55

OMG i have 0 posts now!!

Trigear · 7th January 2003, 07:25

well, guys, let's see what these radical new changes bring. i honestly think at least half the people who say they're leaving will be back in no time, so let's get this place in ship shape so they can't say "i told you so" when they get back. it's a changing of the guard, and we've inherited the forums. let's make it worth something.

i'm sorry to see who's leaving go, but life goes on. "hazard zet forward": in spite of hazard, forward!

binary hero · 7th January 2003, 08:15

Bizznatch · 7th January 2003, 08:30

Quote:

Originally posted by WolfieD
the only people i recognized were the huffy mods and the ignorant clownfucks of yesteryear

we love you too Wolfie

james · 7th January 2003, 08:49

mmmmm, pie.

YARR!

hammerhead · 7th January 2003, 08:55

Yes, I think rm was too rebellious to. He did want a change but took the wrong kind of action.

Trigear · 7th January 2003, 08:57

Quote:

Originally posted by hammerhead
Yes, I think rm was too rebellious to. He did want a change but took the wrong kind of action.

kind of like rage against the machine, supporting communism and fighting capitalism by forming a band and becoming millionaires and popstars?

Some1 · 7th January 2003, 08:58

Yeah, but didn't they disband?

Trigear · 7th January 2003, 09:07

as i recall,the lead singer left to pursue "other interests" and the rest of the band reformed with the lead singer of soundgarden to form the band currently known as audioslave. in other words: they were assimilated into the machine.

Some1 · 7th January 2003, 09:08

ah, I have audioslave's album...it's okay but nothing great.

Trigear · 7th January 2003, 09:11

so where was the point of all this again?

[edit - darn you, get back into the asl thread!]

hammerhead · 7th January 2003, 09:27

Yes, if he can be compared to a band.

Curi0us_George · 7th January 2003, 09:40

Did rm' do something today that I missed? Or is this ban a result of his "past indescretions" and perhaps the fact that he was speaking out a little too loudly?

I'm sorry that you are leaving, Randman.

Some1 · 7th January 2003, 09:42

past indescretions, as is my understanding. Things were actually starting to cool down a bit when steve came down with his ban, as far as I can tell anyways.

fwgx · 7th January 2003, 10:04

/bin/rm -rf rm

I can't say this was undeserved, as an ex mod he should have known a lot better. I don't think the quality of this place will decrease, but people constantly reminding everyone how crap everone is now by saying, "the old days were sooo much better", will have a detrimental affect.

Has anyone ever seen rm change his view on anything? I can't remember him ever taking someone point on board and saying "yes your right, i was wrong". But enough of the bitch behind the back.

Curi0us_George · 7th January 2003, 10:11

Which is why I was wondering if this ban wasn't based more on hester's loud complaints. To be honest, it looks like this ban was easier than allowing hester to continue complaining about the status quo. Fear than he was raising discontentment? Maybe just more apathy . . . easier than actually adressing his complaints . . . .

This ban is one of the first things that's really pissed me off on these forums in quite some time. I never really had any major problems with any of the mods, though I certainly wasn't always happy with the way they carried out business. Banning hester for breaking a rule wouldn't have pissed me off. Everyone knows that he was given about half a million second chances. But giving him another chance and then banning him for using it to speak out is crap.

binary hero · 7th January 2003, 10:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Some1
ah, I have audioslave's album...it's okay but nothing great.

IMO, it's piss poor. all the decent RATM guitar is drowned out by heavy precussion and chris cornell wailing.

ick.

patroclus22 · 7th January 2003, 13:02

I'm witholding comment until I've had some time to think about this.

hammerhead · 7th January 2003, 13:07

When was the last time a lifetime ban was made?

zootm · 7th January 2003, 13:26

Quote:

Originally posted by hammerhead
When was the last time a lifetime ban was made?

a high-profile one, i believe it would've been NeoRenegade.

i was just new then, and he was a dick from time-to-time, however.

i could be described as displeased with this decision.

edit: bye randman, i wish i had your bravery

n_ick2000 · 7th January 2003, 13:42

Wow, this is certanly interesting. Yes, he should have known better, and yes, he has been given WAY to many chances, but wow. I never thought this day would come.

All I can really say is good luck in the future, RM. You really brought a smile to my face on numerous occasions. I will miss you.

steak · 7th January 2003, 13:43

Rm will be missed by me, there were a few instances where him and me didn’t see eye to eye, but over all I quite enjoyed his posts.

I didn’t really pay much attention to the whole fight and I still don’t know all the facts, so I can’t vouch for that, but I just no that the forums will definitely be missing something now he has gone .Weather it’s a good thing or a bad thing will remain to be seen.

raydream · 7th January 2003, 14:08

about bloody time imho, rm' has his followers, and his groupies, and i ask those people not to take rm's place, you dont have to break the rules to make intelligent posts, unfortunatly, fighting the "power" is always a popular path and anyone who posts anti-admin threads in my eyes is neither noble, or standing up for their rights, it's pure idiocy, the forums are not an extension of the real world, they have rules which can be enforced, and no ammount of skirting around the truth will stop you from being caught, if a man killed your child, would you let him get away with it because he once mowed your lawn?, i dont think so, rm's attitude was contantly one of higher status, regaurdless of how intelligent someone is, or how funny they are, here, your a user, just like everyone else, you break the rules, you get banned, Arin, you know i dislike you, and i have very specific reasons for doing so, but putting that asside and taking your general behavious here into focus, you mocked anyone who showed higher power or inteligence, almost as if the entire time you spent here was to strengthen your esteem.

these forums are a place of discussion, not a place to rule over.
obviously now those who support rm'will most likely dislike me, or post in rm's defence, but i urge you, dont bother, rm's gone and no amount of foot stampings going to change that.

fwgx · 7th January 2003, 14:11

well said rd

7th January 2003, 14:14

How sad, though part of that sadness is How rm tried to defend what he did. I admire him [in the short space of time that I knew him.]
Sadly he did push the boat out maybe just once to often. Only so many chances can be given.

May I suggest that instead of giving Him a life time ban,that he be banned say for a specific length of time and that time limit be strictly adheard to? or has this been tried. Seems from what I see that although he was banned he was allways 'Let Of'. Maybe the shock of finally knowing that the way he acted in extremity,will not be tolerated.
Could this be away to adress this situation rather than an out and out finallity?

I for one would be sad to see rm, leave for ever. Yes, though controversial, He believed in what was right to him and stood by his belief. For that I can find no fault, but only respect.

Please consider the above option, however if that option has been used up then you must do as you have and send that clear message.

I was having a major brill. day,My interview with the bank went great so I may not have to spend as much time down as I thought, till I thought,while checking my e-mails, I'd float past for a quick peek [temptation is so hard to resist

]. This I never expected or would have believed.
I'm sad to see it happen and sad to see randmans decision

he was a nice, fun guy and I will miss him.

on the posting thing well it is known what I think and All I will say is I agree with it, obviously.

A sad day for winamp but RM did not or was not GD we are. All of us,
As I stated under my sig. at new year,

Only We Can Make It A Good One

raydream · 7th January 2003, 14:27

precisely smeggly, however his "one more chance" qouta ran out a long time ago, his views only intensified upon comming back, hopefully this banning will show others whome wish to push the rules and see what they can get away with, that it isnt going to happen, i agree, alot of rm's posts were decent, but alot of them werent, posting pictures of dinosours, obviously so big that it messes up the forum tables and makes any future post in that thread hard to read, though to some people funny, i found them utterly annouying, almost like a "hey, stop looking at this thread and look at me", derailing threads was his speciality, that's hardly something to be proud of, but as you say smeggle, one person does not make a forum, the entire community does, randman, i am too sad to see you go, but you shouldnt leave on account of the admins showing a little backbone, imho, leaving like that only served as a way to pin the blame on the admin, sort of a , "If your going to ban rm, i'll leave to", hardly the best descision youve ever made, so i urge you to reconsider and continue to post.

please note, im not rm' bashing, no matter how much you beleive i am, i'm simply supporting the moderators actions, for a long time ive been dissapointed in the moderators and admins intevention, i am however, greatly swayed by todays actions, and i now have rekindled beleif in how this forum is run.

it's run to keep things sane, and accecable to all, not simply to kill the fun.

zootm · 7th January 2003, 15:12

Quote:

Originally posted by raydream
these forums are a place of discussion, not a place to rule over.
obviously now those who support rm'will most likely dislike me, or post in rm's defence, but i urge you, dont bother, rm's gone and no amount of foot stampings going to change that.

rd, you know i don't dislike you

i wub teh neko.

but the point was that he was trying to prove a point in the questionable posts he made (you know he wasn't being racist against aquila out of spite* - he was breaking the rule to prove some point or another), and as far as i know, he hadn't reoffended. i'm just surprised that it suddenly becomes zero tolerance now.

i dunno - i don't agree with the banning, but i can see a reason for it. the last part of the opening post of this thread shocked me though - i'll explain why someday, but i suspect noone cares.

_________
*in case that's still what this is about, but i doubt it, i think more of you than to hold a stupid grudge.

bluetape2k1 · 7th January 2003, 15:17

Lets see here...Not many great members left..(no offence new people) when I say great I mean Old skool classic forum members who did care a damn about the forum and how it was running..people like like SLK, Chev, Randman RM(aswell)Bop, papadoc, watadoo.

Many of them put the forum on the map..many of them actually cared about the people here, but not many people will understand that

Randman will be surly missed in my view and m8tee its been an honour to talk with you

RM many people had been mad about your posts as of late and I don't understand why..but take care and hope to see you soon in ******* where you will be very much be welcome just like Randman will

Hope to see you both soon

bluetape2k1 · 7th January 2003, 15:20

There are only a small number that I can look upto now

Bilbo and his set
BH
Matt
Bizz
Sarge
Seer

To name a few

zootm · 7th January 2003, 15:21

Quote:

Originally posted by bluetape2k1
Bilbo and his set

bilbo's "set"? eh?

bluetape2k1 · 7th January 2003, 15:25

BoObiEs

zootm · 7th January 2003, 15:28

*nods in concurrence*

you shouldn't underestimate the newer members though, there are a few who are integral to these forums who haven't been around nearly as long as the crew you mention.

bluetape2k1 · 7th January 2003, 15:31

Quote:

Originally posted by bluetape2k1
There are only a small number that I can look upto now

Bilbo and his set
BH
Matt
Bizz
Sarge
Seer

"To name a few"

7th January 2003, 06:05	#41
steve Intolerant Ex-Administrator Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 483	'rm may have made many great contributions in the past, however, he being someone who WAS a mod of sometime should know that there are rules and consequences. He betrayed us and all the people he helped protect in his tenure. For this, he deserves nothing. Our moderators have endured much anguish at his hand. His distaste for how these forums were wrong was noted, but that was not enough for him. If any of you feel that these forums are unbareable, then say your piece and try and make a difference. Help lead new conversations and condemn those who try to side track the existing ones. You complain about this placing going down the shit tubes but so few of you want to take part in addressing the issues. You point your fingers blaming Nullsoft or the moderators looking for a scapegoat. There's only so much any of us can do. You all fail to realize that these moderators were just like you, just posting and some who made a difference were noticed and then chosen to lead. It doesn't take much, just some patience and common sense. -s Steve Gedikian Ex Llama Wrangler

7th January 2003, 08:49	#52
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,700	mmmmm, pie. YARR! He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

7th January 2003, 08:55	#53
hammerhead The Shark (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,537	Yes, I think rm was too rebellious to. He did want a change but took the wrong kind of action. .:SharkWork::Deviantart::Breed:.

7th January 2003, 08:58	#55
Some1 Forum King Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 14th Street Posts: (-1)^ï¿½ Posts: 2,236	Yeah, but didn't they disband? some1 grew up, published a book about being young and stupid, got married, and moved to Australia.

7th January 2003, 09:08	#57
Some1 Forum King Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 14th Street Posts: (-1)^ï¿½ Posts: 2,236	ah, I have audioslave's album...it's okay but nothing great. some1 grew up, published a book about being young and stupid, got married, and moved to Australia.

7th January 2003, 06:11	#43
AjStone Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 993	I have noticed that the post numbers are not visible anymore. Is that a direct result of all this?

7th January 2003, 06:30	#45
AjStone Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 993	Yes, I checked that Nem, but why are they removed from the general thread view? Is it because of post-pumping? Also, the Rules button is now red (and more visible). Another change?

7th January 2003, 06:47	#46
Bizznatch Forum King Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 4,153	It has already been proven on this forum many times that post count doesnt mean shit or being a "Forum King" or whatever means you can do whatever you want on these forums and breaking the rules constantly. This happened before with NeoRenegade and now hestermofet. The admins are tired, the mods are tired, and personally I am tired. This change needed to happen, anyone who is against it please log out and never sign back in, cuz these forums don't need another hestermofet or NeoRenegade. Other than that, HAVE FUN PEOPLE!!!!

7th January 2003, 06:49	#47
AjStone Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 993	Then lets get some new Moderators. I think that Bilbo is doing a great job, but there should be new Mod blood. (That's just My2Cents)

7th January 2003, 06:55	#48
Bizznatch Forum King Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 4,153	OMG i have 0 posts now!!

7th January 2003, 07:25	#49
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	well, guys, let's see what these radical new changes bring. i honestly think at least half the people who say they're leaving will be back in no time, so let's get this place in ship shape so they can't say "i told you so" when they get back. it's a changing of the guard, and we've inherited the forums. let's make it worth something. i'm sorry to see who's leaving go, but life goes on. "hazard zet forward": in spite of hazard, forward!

7th January 2003, 08:15	#50
binary hero Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 7,004

7th January 2003, 09:07	#56
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	as i recall,the lead singer left to pursue "other interests" and the rest of the band reformed with the lead singer of soundgarden to form the band currently known as audioslave. in other words: they were assimilated into the machine.

7th January 2003, 09:11	#58
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	so where was the point of all this again? [edit - darn you, get back into the asl thread!]

7th January 2003, 09:27	#59
hammerhead The Shark (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,537	Yes, if he can be compared to a band. .:SharkWork::Deviantart::Breed:.

7th January 2003, 09:40	#60
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	Did rm' do something today that I missed? Or is this ban a result of his "past indescretions" and perhaps the fact that he was speaking out a little too loudly? I'm sorry that you are leaving, Randman. For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

7th January 2003, 09:42	#61
Some1 Forum King Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 14th Street Posts: (-1)^ï¿½ Posts: 2,236	past indescretions, as is my understanding. Things were actually starting to cool down a bit when steve came down with his ban, as far as I can tell anyways. some1 grew up, published a book about being young and stupid, got married, and moved to Australia.

7th January 2003, 10:04	#62
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	/bin/rm -rf rm I can't say this was undeserved, as an ex mod he should have known a lot better. I don't think the quality of this place will decrease, but people constantly reminding everyone how crap everone is now by saying, "the old days were sooo much better", will have a detrimental affect. Has anyone ever seen rm change his view on anything? I can't remember him ever taking someone point on board and saying "yes your right, i was wrong". But enough of the bitch behind the back. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

7th January 2003, 10:11	#63
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	Which is why I was wondering if this ban wasn't based more on hester's loud complaints. To be honest, it looks like this ban was easier than allowing hester to continue complaining about the status quo. Fear than he was raising discontentment? Maybe just more apathy . . . easier than actually adressing his complaints . . . . This ban is one of the first things that's really pissed me off on these forums in quite some time. I never really had any major problems with any of the mods, though I certainly wasn't always happy with the way they carried out business. Banning hester for breaking a rule wouldn't have pissed me off. Everyone knows that he was given about half a million second chances. But giving him another chance and then banning him for using it to speak out is crap. For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

7th January 2003, 13:02	#65
patroclus22 Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hammond, IN Posts: 1,130	I'm witholding comment until I've had some time to think about this. Flypaper for the walking wounded since 1997

7th January 2003, 13:07	#66
hammerhead The Shark (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,537	When was the last time a lifetime ban was made? .:SharkWork::Deviantart::Breed:.

7th January 2003, 13:42	#68
n_ick2000 Forum King Join Date: May 2001 Location: - Posts: 2,501	Wow, this is certanly interesting. Yes, he should have known better, and yes, he has been given WAY to many chances, but wow. I never thought this day would come. All I can really say is good luck in the future, RM. You really brought a smile to my face on numerous occasions. I will miss you. \|

7th January 2003, 13:43	#69
steak Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zooropa Posts: 820	Rm will be missed by me, there were a few instances where him and me didn’t see eye to eye, but over all I quite enjoyed his posts. I didn’t really pay much attention to the whole fight and I still don’t know all the facts, so I can’t vouch for that, but I just no that the forums will definitely be missing something now he has gone .Weather it’s a good thing or a bad thing will remain to be seen.

7th January 2003, 14:08	#70
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	about bloody time imho, rm' has his followers, and his groupies, and i ask those people not to take rm's place, you dont have to break the rules to make intelligent posts, unfortunatly, fighting the "power" is always a popular path and anyone who posts anti-admin threads in my eyes is neither noble, or standing up for their rights, it's pure idiocy, the forums are not an extension of the real world, they have rules which can be enforced, and no ammount of skirting around the truth will stop you from being caught, if a man killed your child, would you let him get away with it because he once mowed your lawn?, i dont think so, rm's attitude was contantly one of higher status, regaurdless of how intelligent someone is, or how funny they are, here, your a user, just like everyone else, you break the rules, you get banned, Arin, you know i dislike you, and i have very specific reasons for doing so, but putting that asside and taking your general behavious here into focus, you mocked anyone who showed higher power or inteligence, almost as if the entire time you spent here was to strengthen your esteem. these forums are a place of discussion, not a place to rule over. obviously now those who support rm'will most likely dislike me, or post in rm's defence, but i urge you, dont bother, rm's gone and no amount of foot stampings going to change that.

7th January 2003, 14:11	#71
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	well said rd .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

7th January 2003, 14:14	#72
smeggle Guest Posts: n/a	How sad, though part of that sadness is How rm tried to defend what he did. I admire him [in the short space of time that I knew him.] Sadly he did push the boat out maybe just once to often. Only so many chances can be given. May I suggest that instead of giving Him a life time ban,that he be banned say for a specific length of time and that time limit be strictly adheard to? or has this been tried. Seems from what I see that although he was banned he was allways 'Let Of'. Maybe the shock of finally knowing that the way he acted in extremity,will not be tolerated. Could this be away to adress this situation rather than an out and out finallity? I for one would be sad to see rm, leave for ever. Yes, though controversial, He believed in what was right to him and stood by his belief. For that I can find no fault, but only respect. Please consider the above option, however if that option has been used up then you must do as you have and send that clear message. I was having a major brill. day,My interview with the bank went great so I may not have to spend as much time down as I thought, till I thought,while checking my e-mails, I'd float past for a quick peek [temptation is so hard to resist]. This I never expected or would have believed. I'm sad to see it happen and sad to see randmans decision he was a nice, fun guy and I will miss him. on the posting thing well it is known what I think and All I will say is I agree with it, obviously. A sad day for winamp but RM did not or was not GD we are. All of us, As I stated under my sig. at new year, Only We Can Make It A Good One

7th January 2003, 14:27	#73
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	precisely smeggly, however his "one more chance" qouta ran out a long time ago, his views only intensified upon comming back, hopefully this banning will show others whome wish to push the rules and see what they can get away with, that it isnt going to happen, i agree, alot of rm's posts were decent, but alot of them werent, posting pictures of dinosours, obviously so big that it messes up the forum tables and makes any future post in that thread hard to read, though to some people funny, i found them utterly annouying, almost like a "hey, stop looking at this thread and look at me", derailing threads was his speciality, that's hardly something to be proud of, but as you say smeggle, one person does not make a forum, the entire community does, randman, i am too sad to see you go, but you shouldnt leave on account of the admins showing a little backbone, imho, leaving like that only served as a way to pin the blame on the admin, sort of a , "If your going to ban rm, i'll leave to", hardly the best descision youve ever made, so i urge you to reconsider and continue to post. please note, im not rm' bashing, no matter how much you beleive i am, i'm simply supporting the moderators actions, for a long time ive been dissapointed in the moderators and admins intevention, i am however, greatly swayed by todays actions, and i now have rekindled beleif in how this forum is run. it's run to keep things sane, and accecable to all, not simply to kill the fun.

7th January 2003, 15:17	#75
bluetape2k1 Banned Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,356	Lets see here...Not many great members left..(no offence new people) when I say great I mean Old skool classic forum members who did care a damn about the forum and how it was running..people like like SLK, Chev, Randman RM(aswell)Bop, papadoc, watadoo. Many of them put the forum on the map..many of them actually cared about the people here, but not many people will understand that Randman will be surly missed in my view and m8tee its been an honour to talk with you RM many people had been mad about your posts as of late and I don't understand why..but take care and hope to see you soon in ******* where you will be very much be welcome just like Randman will Hope to see you both soon

7th January 2003, 15:20	#76
bluetape2k1 Banned Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,356	There are only a small number that I can look upto now Bilbo and his set BH Matt Bizz Sarge Seer To name a few

7th January 2003, 15:25	#78
bluetape2k1 Banned Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,356	BoObiEs

7th January 2003, 15:28	#79
zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	nods in concurrence you shouldn't underestimate the newer members though, there are a few who are integral to these forums who haven't been around nearly as long as the crew you mention.

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