Put up or shut up.

raydream · 9th January 2003, 18:00

recently, many users of this forum, i wont comment on the duration each have been here because it's irelivent, but anyway, recently, many users have decided to leave, which is there own choice, though triggered mainly by the banning of a certain member, since thattime, peoples attitudes have fallen through the floor, normally passive members are adopting a "well if your going to bad for..., then i dont give two ...." attitude, i think the situation is becomming utterly childish, picking apart each and every post, and stabbing at anyone you can, and its starting to piss me off.

many users are now anti-admin, and specifically show their dislike for the moderators descisions.. and that REALLY pisses me off.
it has since the time ive been here, been "Why dont you ban him, you wuss", or "your all nazis" attitude toward moderators, give them a break, if you truly dislike how this forum is run, bloody well leave, dont moap around bitching about it in the hope to change things.

a few users will now want to pick apart this very post and bite back, but i urge you not to bother, my main statement is that if you dont like the forums, or how they are run, leave, because no actions or comments by you will change that, and if you cant deal with it, then your not going to enjoy being here, so as the topic states, put up or shut up.

and for christs sakes, stop crying about who leaves and who doesnt, they were not forced by anyone.

ElChevelle · 9th January 2003, 18:05

pixiefied · 9th January 2003, 18:06

ditto

Orgone_Man · 9th January 2003, 18:14

james · 9th January 2003, 18:17

Orgone_Man: Same to you.

raydream · 9th January 2003, 18:21

everyone bar herbster just proved my point.

Velouria · 9th January 2003, 18:25

raydream - I'd hardly call using a smilie "picking your post apart"

And what, you expect people to not reply?

pixiefied · 9th January 2003, 18:31

we need to stop with the posts on this shit..move on..get a life..who the fuck cares...
im gonna find me a game to play with trigear.

come along dre..

Trigear · 9th January 2003, 18:31

let's play doctor!

pixiefied · 9th January 2003, 18:33

ok..but your the sick one!

Trigear · 9th January 2003, 18:35

fine by me. wait, where are you sticking that stethescope? ah! cold!

J. Burnaway · 9th January 2003, 18:39

In summation: don't try to change things.

What kind of attitude is that?

Trigear · 9th January 2003, 18:40

come on, j, jump into the status quo. mediocrity is fun. pass the bong.

J. Burnaway · 9th January 2003, 18:46

Quote:

Originally posted by triGEAR
come on, j, jump into the status quo. mediocrity is fun. pass the bong.

The really funny thing is, these forums have really been boring recently...I'd look in from time to time, and it was same shit, different day. Now they are fun to read again. I guess I'm one of those kooks who prefers a good argument.

Trigear · 9th January 2003, 18:48

i do too, but it's hard to argue with someone who refuses to see the opposing point of view (rm').

similarly, it's hard for me to argue because i see good and bad points in every argument.

Gonzotek · 9th January 2003, 18:53

Quote:

Originally posted by J. Burnaway
In summation: don't try to change things.

What kind of attitude is that?

The kind of attitude that the people paying for the server appreciate. Why is that such a problem?

"Can Bobby come over to play, Mom?"

"No son, every time Bobby comes over he starts calling your older brother a Nazi because we ask him to look after you guys while we're at work."

-=Gonzotek=-

pixiefied · 9th January 2003, 18:59

lol

Trigear · 9th January 2003, 19:02

nice little allegory, gonzo. i love those!

J. Burnaway · 9th January 2003, 19:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Gonzotek
The kind of attitude that the people paying for the server appreciate. Why is that such a problem?

"Can Bobby come over to play, Mom?"

"No son, every time Bobby comes over he starts calling your older brother a Nazi because we ask him to look after you guys while we're at work."

-=Gonzotek=-

Well, if the people paying for the server appreciate lock-step conformance with the status quo, and blind faith that mods are always right, then maybe nazi is the right word. Please note however that I have never called anyone here a nazi, ever. I choose to believe that this place is strong enough to take a little criticism. If your attitude is the prevailing one of the leaders of this forum Gonzotek, then randman had the right idea - leave before this place becomes a mindless Dragonball Z discussion group.

If and when you get a set of blinders with your winamp forums member email, that will be the day this place dies.

And don't take every post that challenges that idea that things are perfect here as an endorsement of rm' - I think he rightfully got the boot.

Gonzotek · 9th January 2003, 19:40

Quote:

Originally posted by J. Burnaway
Well, if the people paying for the server appreciate lock-step conformance with the status quo, and blind faith that mods are always right, then maybe nazi is the right word. Please note however that I have never called anyone here a nazi, ever. I choose to believe that this place is strong enough to take a little criticism. If your attitude is the prevailing one of the leaders of this forum Gonzotek, then randman had the right idea - leave before this place becomes a mindless Dragonball Z discussion group.

1. I'm not allowed backstage access, so I wouldn't know what the prevailing attitude is. I do know however, that people who intentionnally and persistantly aggravate me are not welcome at _my_ house or on _my_ website. I assume that most reasonable people would feel the same way. But that's just an opinion.

2. "Nazi" wasn't used by you, ok, I understand that. My little allegory was directed at the forums in general. So I offer my apologies if it seemed I was putting words in your mouth.

3. I feel Randman DID ACT APPROPRIATELY. He decided the place wasn't for him and left...he didn't hang around pestering the people who do enjoy it here and those who have to do the work. He stated his case and split, without taking anyone down with him or any other kinds of nastiness.

The words "beating a dead horse" come to mind for some reason.

-=Gonzotek=-

J. Burnaway · 9th January 2003, 19:58

Well, since the horse is dead, it won't mind a few more smacks.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the way this place is run. However, I reserve the right to complain if I ever do have a problem, and as long as I stay within the forum rules, I should be allowed to do so. I realize that this forum is not subject to freedom of speech laws, but it should be able to put up with some discussion over whether those running it are doing a good or bad job. Modship does not equal automatic guarantee of infallibility. The mods are people too, and as prone to mistakes as the rest of us. In my opinion, they should actually be held to a higher standard of conduct than your average member, because theirs is a position of responsibility. Again, I don't have a problem with the mods in particular or in general - I just want the ability to air my views if I do.

By the way, hasn't this place always been subject to these types of discussions? If so, than decreeing that there should be no more talk about change is in itself a call for change.

Curi0us_George · 9th January 2003, 21:25

edit: nevermind

henry3k56 · 9th January 2003, 21:50

Not a complaint about this publically.

GoldenSphynx · 9th January 2003, 22:16

Pixie, can I play too? Maybe I can be the doctor and you can be my nurse

raydream · 9th January 2003, 22:25

your sick dude, pixie, he needs you :P

dlinkwit27 · 10th January 2003, 00:34

Quote:

Originally posted by raydream
if you truly dislike how this forum is run, bloody well leave, dont moap around bitching about it in the hope to change things.

so many things wrong with that statement, but then again, i'm thinkin on a larger scale which wouldn't appl yhere most likely, so f*ck it.

pixiefied · 10th January 2003, 06:29

ah the hell with it..i need a full staff and 60cc of ****** for dre...STAT!

Trigear · 10th January 2003, 08:22

i'm still alive :P and i don't need no ****** :P

iomegajaz · 10th January 2003, 09:39

Hey everyone. We do try to change stuff when it's clear that it's necessary for communal harmony, and as such we always listen to advice about the forums.

We're all human. Mistakes are made, tempers are, um, poked or something, and shit happens sometimes.

Every moderator here is human, and tries damn hard to make everything as cool and easy as possible.

Please, give us a collective break.

Peace.
-jaz

binary hero · 10th January 2003, 09:40

Quote:

Originally posted by iomegajaz
Every moderator here is human, and tries damn hard to make everything as cool and easy as possible.

..except swag

and can i please take this chance to point out that i have no problems with the moderator group in general.

raydream · 10th January 2003, 09:42

thats what my post was about, but it seems to have been taken out of all proportion, almost all problems here are usually directed towards the admin and moderators, placing most of the blame on them.

as said a few days ago, the forums are what we make them, but constant bitching to change something already decided on does nothing but be annouying. even though im not a moderator, i dont enjoy pages and pages of "why dont you" etc to mods and admins

9th January 2003, 18:00	#1
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	Put up or shut up. recently, many users of this forum, i wont comment on the duration each have been here because it's irelivent, but anyway, recently, many users have decided to leave, which is there own choice, though triggered mainly by the banning of a certain member, since thattime, peoples attitudes have fallen through the floor, normally passive members are adopting a "well if your going to bad for..., then i dont give two ...." attitude, i think the situation is becomming utterly childish, picking apart each and every post, and stabbing at anyone you can, and its starting to piss me off. many users are now anti-admin, and specifically show their dislike for the moderators descisions.. and that REALLY pisses me off. it has since the time ive been here, been "Why dont you ban him, you wuss", or "your all nazis" attitude toward moderators, give them a break, if you truly dislike how this forum is run, bloody well leave, dont moap around bitching about it in the hope to change things. a few users will now want to pick apart this very post and bite back, but i urge you not to bother, my main statement is that if you dont like the forums, or how they are run, leave, because no actions or comments by you will change that, and if you cant deal with it, then your not going to enjoy being here, so as the topic states, put up or shut up. and for christs sakes, stop crying about who leaves and who doesnt, they were not forced by anyone.

9th January 2003, 18:06	#3
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,493	ditto "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

9th January 2003, 18:17	#5
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,700	Orgone_Man: Same to you. He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

9th January 2003, 18:31	#8
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,493	we need to stop with the posts on this shit..move on..get a life..who the fuck cares... im gonna find me a game to play with trigear. come along dre.. "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

9th January 2003, 18:33	#10
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,493	ok..but your the sick one! "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

9th January 2003, 18:05	#2
ElChevelle Moderator Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the MANCANNON! Posts: 22,431

9th January 2003, 18:14	#4
Orgone_Man Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 1,235

9th January 2003, 18:21	#6
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	everyone bar herbster just proved my point.

9th January 2003, 18:25	#7
Velouria Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: london, uk Posts: 276	raydream - I'd hardly call using a smilie "picking your post apart" And what, you expect people to not reply?

9th January 2003, 18:31	#9
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	let's play doctor!

9th January 2003, 18:35	#11
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	fine by me. wait, where are you sticking that stethescope? ah! cold!

9th January 2003, 18:39	#12
J. Burnaway Forum King Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,537	In summation: don't try to change things. What kind of attitude is that?

9th January 2003, 18:40	#13
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	come on, j, jump into the status quo. mediocrity is fun. pass the bong.

9th January 2003, 18:48	#15
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	i do too, but it's hard to argue with someone who refuses to see the opposing point of view (rm'). similarly, it's hard for me to argue because i see good and bad points in every argument.

9th January 2003, 18:59	#17
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,493	lol "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

9th January 2003, 19:02	#18
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	nice little allegory, gonzo. i love those!

9th January 2003, 19:58	#21
J. Burnaway Forum King Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,537	Well, since the horse is dead, it won't mind a few more smacks. Personally, I don't have a problem with the way this place is run. However, I reserve the right to complain if I ever do have a problem, and as long as I stay within the forum rules, I should be allowed to do so. I realize that this forum is not subject to freedom of speech laws, but it should be able to put up with some discussion over whether those running it are doing a good or bad job. Modship does not equal automatic guarantee of infallibility. The mods are people too, and as prone to mistakes as the rest of us. In my opinion, they should actually be held to a higher standard of conduct than your average member, because theirs is a position of responsibility. Again, I don't have a problem with the mods in particular or in general - I just want the ability to air my views if I do. By the way, hasn't this place always been subject to these types of discussions? If so, than decreeing that there should be no more talk about change is in itself a call for change.

9th January 2003, 21:25	#22
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	edit: nevermind For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

9th January 2003, 21:50	#23
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	Not a complaint about this publically. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

9th January 2003, 22:16	#24
GoldenSphynx Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,738	Pixie, can I play too? Maybe I can be the doctor and you can be my nurse

9th January 2003, 22:25	#25
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	your sick dude, pixie, he needs you :P

10th January 2003, 06:29	#27
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,493	ah the hell with it..i need a full staff and 60cc of ****** for dre...STAT! "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

10th January 2003, 08:22	#28
Trigear bear! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,426	i'm still alive :P and i don't need no ****** :P

10th January 2003, 09:39	#29
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 4,702	Hey everyone. We do try to change stuff when it's clear that it's necessary for communal harmony, and as such we always listen to advice about the forums. We're all human. Mistakes are made, tempers are, um, poked or something, and shit happens sometimes. Every moderator here is human, and tries damn hard to make everything as cool and easy as possible. Please, give us a collective break. Peace. -jaz "My heart hates uggos." --JD.

10th January 2003, 09:42	#31
raydream Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 867	thats what my post was about, but it seems to have been taken out of all proportion, almost all problems here are usually directed towards the admin and moderators, placing most of the blame on them. as said a few days ago, the forums are what we make them, but constant bitching to change something already decided on does nothing but be annouying. even though im not a moderator, i dont enjoy pages and pages of "why dont you" etc to mods and admins

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