The rights of Johnny Foreigner

[fwgx]

Mr Blair wants less human rights for people seeking asylum in Britain, he said yesterday. So what rights should people expect in other countries? Admitedly there is a problem with asylum seekers comming here for financial reasons but are we not forgetting the big picture; that we are all human? Should countries really be obliged to give refuge to those fleeing persecution or lock them up - at least they are safer?

[binary hero]

The Tories will also call for fixed numbers of refugees from countries, and blocks on all asylum seekers as they reach port unless they satisfy security checks.

so that means, if they have a beard and wear a turban, they won't be allowed in?

[fwgx]

I guess they're really fucked if they had the foresight to buy a map of London as they got into France.

[binary hero]

hadn't you heard? owning a map of london is now an arrestable offense.

MAPS ARE EVIL! IF YOU OWN ONE IT MEANS YOU ARE A TERRORIST

[edit]why in the name of fuck does my IE window keep on spontaneously closing?

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by binary hero
so that means, if they have a beard and wear a turban, they won't be allowed in?

Not in the slightest- basically it sets a limit on each nationality that is allowed in. This would very helpful, among other things, in stabilizing job markets. In a country that doles so much out to every citizen, this is extremely needed even more so, to prevent too much benefits going out.

Blair has garnered much respect from me since Sep 11...

[zootm]

i can actually see the point in this. there are too many false asylum seekers, out for a free ride these days. there has to be some kind of crackdown made. i mean, my friend's friend (yeah, i know it's a story of a story of a story) hates asylum seekers, and his parents were asylum seekers - but they were legitimate ones... he's just become sickened by the number of people who come here looking for streets paved with gold, and handouts from a society they have no intent on giving anything back to.

[Vie]

Er the map was in spain

[zootm]

Originally posted by Vie
Er the map was in spain

what map?

[Mr. Brownstone]

Ha, I don't live in England, so I don't need to worry.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone
Ha, I don't live in England, so I don't need to worry.

neither do i, but i do. go figure.

[hgnis]

The UK is now set to become like Kanadia....sad.

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone
Ha, I don't live in England, so I don't need to worry.

The same problem afflicts all western states that have open immigration and actively redistribute money from other people to the poor. As a person using a computer, there is a strong probability this you live in one of these nations.

The US is currently experiencing the same problems from Mexican immigrants fleeing their corrupt, rotten country.

[binary hero]

why don't we bring in national service for all asylum seekers, regardless of age or gender. mohammed al fayad too .

[Bilbo Baggins]

Of course we have the right to refuse to take people in. There is only a finite amount of money, land and resources on the island and the more people that come here, the faster they get used up. Why do you think that building projects are being announced to rip up the green belt?

I think that we should shut the doors completely for the next ten years or so, so that we can clear the current backlog, get the people settled and restore order and relieve tension in the present communities that have been swamped by immigrants.

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
I think that we should shut the doors completely for the next ten years or so, so that we can clear the current backlog, get the people settled and restore order and relieve tension in the present communities that have been swamped by immigrants.

In my country, the idea of a decade long immigration moratorium is considered "extremist right".

[zootm]

Originally posted by Xerxes
In my country, the idea of a decade long immigration moratorium is considered "extremist right".

and in my country, people in general understand politics beyond two, largely identical parties!

no, i kid, they don't. but i do, if that's any consolation

[will]

I think that if people were not in any express danger in the country they came from, they should be shipped right back.
If we are full, they should be shipped back to the last place they were.

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by zootm
and in my country, people in general understand politics beyond two, largely identical parties!

But inseperable to any measure is the political connotations of it. Something like it could never be passed because there is a large segment of the population- Intellectuals, immigrants, etc. that would oppose it.

[ujay]

How many countries are there that are still ruled by there indigenous population ?.

UJ

[zootm]

Originally posted by ujay
How many countries are there that are still ruled by there indigenous population ?.

*waves*

[Bilbo Baggins]

Originally posted by Xerxes
In my country, the idea of a decade long immigration moratorium is considered "extremist right".

Is your country literally cracking under the pressure of all these extra hundreds of thousands of people? In the next ten years we are supposed to be recieving an estimated 2.5 million asylum seekers. I do not like the idea, but it is the only way that I can see us being able to cope with such an influx of number.

Having said that, within that ten years I shouldn't care, as I will have (hopefully) left the country anyway.

[Xerxes]

Not the country as a whole, but certain state governments (California, Texas, New York, etc.) are certainly feeling the pain of over-demand of state services- welfare and Food Stamps being big ones. The immigrants also multiply like rabbits, and the progeny all gain legal citizenship. This is why the latin minority has now overtaken the black population this year as the most numerous.

It is also bad for the economy, because a substantial amount earned bleeds right down to mexico because workers send their paychecks and welfare freebies down to their families.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Exactly. It drains economies and services down, and I think that the only way is to close the gates for a while completly, just to let the current number settle down and to give the state a chance to get things back in order. What happens in California etc is also happening here in Kent and the South East of England in general.*

If they don't then I think that the race related riots we had here last summer will increase in size, and they will begin to affect more and more places across the country.


*Not to mention the fact that erosion is also eating away at the land but i won't mention that problem ;-)

[fwgx]

What about letting them come here, the poorest people, let them work here for a year or two, not the best of the jobs, but enough to just about get by. Then after a year or two go back to their homeland and have enough money to be considered wealthy and be able to make something of themselves.

[Xerxes]

Most people would evade the government or die trying instead of returning to the wretched hellholes from whence they came, IMHO....

[Bilbo Baggins]

Exactly. Why do you think Mohammed El Fayed is still here


I am not against helping these people, but it irks me considerably that they come to the West when the west has spent billions to liberate their countries. Look at Kosovo. When we stopped the Serbs in 1999 from wiping their people out, they had the chance to begin rebuilding their country and making it a good place to be. Instead, thousands of them (mainly young men) came to the west instead. I am certainly not against helping these people, but they shoudl be expected to help themselves too. And not to our money.

[m0e]

You all talk like there is more than one nation-state here. All of western civilization depends on the whole for survival. If one area has an economic crisis the whole of our civilization suffers. Reagan's trickle down theory was truer than most people would give it credit. Rampant commercialism and unchecked growth is the driving force in our society. The people that are most successful in that are our government, elected note by public vote, but by voting with our pocketbook.