Copyright

PickleJuice · 1st April 2003, 21:24

Hello,

Is it not illegal to stream copyrighted material on your radio station? What do all the other about 4,000 people who stream music here do?

Thanks,

Pickle Juice.

rgATL · 1st April 2003, 21:28

Streaming radio is perfectly legal if you follow streaming rules and pay royalties.

And it's lots of fun too.

rg.

PickleJuice · 1st April 2003, 21:30

What exactly are the streaming rules? Do I have the ask the artist for permission before streaming their music?

Thanks a bunch,

Pickle Juice

FesterHead · 1st April 2003, 22:22

Q: What exactly are the streaming rules?
A: The rules are different depending on the broadcast origination.

Summary: If you play copyrighted material, then you need to pay.

Q: Do I have the ask the artist for permission before streaming their music?
A: If you do and get a waiver from the licensing/royalty fees, then you should be good to go.

For a more complete answer, please consult legal assistance

PickleJuice · 2nd April 2003, 00:40

Thank you for your replies. What does everyone else do? Would you get in trouble if you don't get permission to stream these files? What do you do, Festerhead?

Thanks,

Pickle Juice

FesterHead · 2nd April 2003, 02:31

Q: What does everyone else do?
A: Does it matter?

Q: Would you get in trouble if you don't get permission to stream these files?
A: The potential exists. The risks (and penalties) increase with the volume of listeners your stream can support.

Q: What do you do, Festerhead?
A: I pay licensing/royalties through an Audiorealm subscription stream and Live365.

[edit]

FYI: http://www.shoutcast.com/download/br...html#copyright

[/edit]

PickleJuice · 2nd April 2003, 12:54

Hello,

How much are the subscriptions? I'm trying to look for a cheap music license. Is there a link to the website that you can give me?

Thanks,

Pickle Juice.

FesterHead · 2nd April 2003, 16:13

http://www.audiorealm.com <- ATM not accepting more subscription streams
http://www.live365

PickleJuice · 3rd April 2003, 12:50

Hey,

Which one do you use for a music license and whihc one do you use to stream your music? Does your music license allow you to put music downloads on your website?

Thanks,

Pickle Juice.

Scot - SJIRadio · 3rd April 2003, 15:02

If your in Canada its free for a while

PickleJuice · 3rd April 2003, 21:28

What do you mean it's free in Canada for a while, Scot?

unklej13 · 4th April 2003, 23:08

im not tying to be rude or anything...but why dont you just post all of your questions in one single post...should be much easier

global_groove6 · 5th April 2003, 00:22

he's saying in Canada we are not required to pay any royalties at the moment.

PickleJuice · 5th April 2003, 21:04

So your saying I don't have to get a license to stream music since I live in Canada?

PickleJuice · 5th April 2003, 21:14

Sorry I didn't word that question right.

So your saying I don't have to get a license to stream copyrighted music since I live in Canada?

SYNERDATA · 8th April 2003, 06:50

To avoid the whole "Fee" mess, simply play ONLY
independant artist free mp3 releases from any
of the many free mp3 download sites. Such music is
released with the hope that radio stations will
play and promote it free of charge. Any limitations
that any independant artist wishes to impose upon
a free release must be expressly implied, and
otherwise, such is free, without limitations,
and the artist retains the right to set limits.

The matter is a simple one. Do not play music
by the major labels if you wish to avoid paying
their fees, and only play free independant releases
to freely promote independant artists who need your
help to compete with the labels.

There are no fees to streaming via shoutcast.
There are different fees in different locations to stream
major record cartel music.

There are no fees to stream independant artist music,
and in particular, free releases by independant artists.

Cheers!

Synerdata Radio

The Hottest, Newest, Best Electronica in The Solar System...

Click to Listen - 128k

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davidholt123 · 8th April 2003, 13:44

And what are the URL's for these free mp3 sites?

FesterHead · 8th April 2003, 16:17

A little research goes a long way.

http://www.mp3.com
http://www.iuma.com

I've had artists from both these sites send me cds.

FYI / FWIW:
Here's my permission form and release form.

I'm not a lawyer. While the release may not be 100% legalese, it's a good faith attempt.

PickleJuice · 1st May 2003, 12:54

What about sites that offer free music downloads such as www.puroeuro.com and www.euroadrenaline.com? Must I ask permission from these websites before streaming their music downloads?

FesterHead · 1st May 2003, 16:20

If it's copyrighted and you want to stream it royalty free, then probably.

All it takes is an email.

Note: I'm not a lawyer. Contact legal assistance for a valid answer.

PickleJuice · 3rd May 2003, 20:25

Do you know of any websites regarding law that will give me some legal advice and will reply to my e-mails?

Thanks a bunch,

Pickle Juice.

1st April 2003, 21:24	#1
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Copyright Hello, Is it not illegal to stream copyrighted material on your radio station? What do all the other about 4,000 people who stream music here do? Thanks, Pickle Juice.

4th April 2003, 23:08	#12
unklej13 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 32	You...ask 2 many questions.... im not tying to be rude or anything...but why dont you just post all of your questions in one single post...should be much easier

5th April 2003, 00:22	#13
global_groove6 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 391	he's saying in Canada we are not required to pay any royalties at the moment. PlanetSoul Network Tune-in @128kbps\|32kbps

8th April 2003, 06:50	#16
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	Independant Free Releases To avoid the whole "Fee" mess, simply play ONLY independant artist free mp3 releases from any of the many free mp3 download sites. Such music is released with the hope that radio stations will play and promote it free of charge. Any limitations that any independant artist wishes to impose upon a free release must be expressly implied, and otherwise, such is free, without limitations, and the artist retains the right to set limits. The matter is a simple one. Do not play music by the major labels if you wish to avoid paying their fees, and only play free independant releases to freely promote independant artists who need your help to compete with the labels. There are no fees to streaming via shoutcast. There are different fees in different locations to stream major record cartel music. There are no fees to stream independant artist music, and in particular, free releases by independant artists. Cheers! Synerdata Radio The Hottest, Newest, Best Electronica in The Solar System... Click to Listen - 128k Click to Listen - 48k Click to Listen - 24k

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1st April 2003, 21:28	#2
rgATL Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ATL, of course. Posts: 724	Streaming radio is perfectly legal if you follow streaming rules and pay royalties. And it's lots of fun too. rg.

1st April 2003, 21:30	#3
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	What exactly are the streaming rules? Do I have the ask the artist for permission before streaming their music? Thanks a bunch, Pickle Juice

1st April 2003, 22:22	#4
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	Q: What exactly are the streaming rules? A: The rules are different depending on the broadcast origination. Summary: If you play copyrighted material, then you need to pay. Q: Do I have the ask the artist for permission before streaming their music? A: If you do and get a waiver from the licensing/royalty fees, then you should be good to go. For a more complete answer, please consult legal assistance

2nd April 2003, 00:40	#5
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Thank you for your replies. What does everyone else do? Would you get in trouble if you don't get permission to stream these files? What do you do, Festerhead? Thanks, Pickle Juice

2nd April 2003, 02:31	#6
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	Q: What does everyone else do? A: Does it matter? Q: Would you get in trouble if you don't get permission to stream these files? A: The potential exists. The risks (and penalties) increase with the volume of listeners your stream can support. Q: What do you do, Festerhead? A: I pay licensing/royalties through an Audiorealm subscription stream and Live365. [edit] FYI: http://www.shoutcast.com/download/br...html#copyright [/edit]

2nd April 2003, 12:54	#7
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Hello, How much are the subscriptions? I'm trying to look for a cheap music license. Is there a link to the website that you can give me? Thanks, Pickle Juice.

2nd April 2003, 16:13	#8
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	http://www.audiorealm.com <- ATM not accepting more subscription streams http://www.live365

3rd April 2003, 12:50	#9
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Hey, Which one do you use for a music license and whihc one do you use to stream your music? Does your music license allow you to put music downloads on your website? Thanks, Pickle Juice.

3rd April 2003, 15:02	#10
Scot - SJIRadio Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 196	If your in Canada its free for a while

3rd April 2003, 21:28	#11
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	What do you mean it's free in Canada for a while, Scot?

5th April 2003, 21:04	#14
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	So your saying I don't have to get a license to stream music since I live in Canada?

5th April 2003, 21:14	#15
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Sorry I didn't word that question right. So your saying I don't have to get a license to stream copyrighted music since I live in Canada?

8th April 2003, 13:44	#17
davidholt123 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2	And what are the URL's for these free mp3 sites?

8th April 2003, 16:17	#18
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	A little research goes a long way. http://www.mp3.com http://www.iuma.com I've had artists from both these sites send me cds. FYI / FWIW: Here's my permission form and release form. I'm not a lawyer. While the release may not be 100% legalese, it's a good faith attempt.

1st May 2003, 12:54	#19
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	What about sites that offer free music downloads such as www.puroeuro.com and www.euroadrenaline.com? Must I ask permission from these websites before streaming their music downloads?

1st May 2003, 16:20	#20
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	If it's copyrighted and you want to stream it royalty free, then probably. All it takes is an email. Note: I'm not a lawyer. Contact legal assistance for a valid answer.

3rd May 2003, 20:25	#21
PickleJuice Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	Do you know of any websites regarding law that will give me some legal advice and will reply to my e-mails? Thanks a bunch, Pickle Juice.