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sean_malice · 23rd April 2003, 22:17

What about rebroadcasting already existing TV Channels (Fox, NBC, etc...) ?
Can we do it, i mean legally ? Doesn't this infridge on copyright laws ?
I saw people doing it already and find that pretty cool. Watching TV at my job..
But is there any risk or is this / will be tolerated by TV copmpanies ?
I'd like this to go on for a long time.

Any views on this would be apreciated.

23rd April 2003, 23:53

It's illegal. (Though that doesn't stop some people)

Jay · 24th April 2003, 01:27

actually copyright applies the same way as it does in any other medium so you should only broadcast what you have rights or permission to broadcast.

Bean-Net-Ken · 24th April 2003, 01:42

What actions would be taken is the question, Would they tell you to turn it off or would they come and get you? You could have sorce come from Canada, no RIAA.

Cody · 24th April 2003, 06:49

Im sure some trained monkeys watch and ban the streams that get complaints from the content owners.

Jay · 24th April 2003, 08:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Bean-Net-Ken
What actions would be taken is the question, Would they tell you to turn it off or would they come and get you? You could have sorce come from Canada, no RIAA.

the RIAA would not be who to worry about, it's content owners, just like with audio. The RIAA represents content owners for music just as the MPAA represent content owners for movies.

Cody · 24th April 2003, 10:09

Well then who does it for TV? If no one does this yet lets set one up. *grin*

Jay · 24th April 2003, 10:34

that's a good question, not sure, but I know that studio owners (IE NBC ABC CBS) and others would still have a vested interest in their content being distributed.

As for setting it up, where do you want to start

Todd Daugherty · 23rd May 2003, 22:47

It's probably the N.A.B (National Association of Broadcasters)
todd

Jeeper One · 25th May 2003, 05:13

Hi everyone:

It's ILLEGAL to rebroadcast material that YOU KNOW is copyrighted. It's as simple as that.

Some would say that Old Time Radio programs are copyrighted, but the truth is that EVERY Old Time Radio program BEFORE January 1st, 1978 are considered PUBLIC DOMAIN. I would imagine there are a handful of old TV shows that you don't even see on TVLand are considered to be PUBLIC DOMAIN too, but that list is rather small.

Either way you look at it, unlike the early days of SHOUTcast, we KNOW what the rules are THIS time. As such, I'd be SHOCKED if we had another round of the very same thing which (STILL, thanks to The RIAA) plagues Internet Radio once Internet TV takes off in full swing.

Just MY $.02 worth....Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Jeeper One Radio Network
kpdcnetradio@msn.com
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/ (Our Flagship Station)

Element-LZC · 25th May 2003, 05:36

Wouldnt that make all the music shoutcasts illegal too? I mean i dont think everyone running a shoutcast radio got permission from all the artists to broadcast their music on the radio.

sankt · 25th May 2003, 11:56

Quote:

It's ILLEGAL to rebroadcast material that YOU KNOW is copyrighted. It's as simple as that.

Your also forgetting that Nullsoft has not released NSV tools for commercial use.
Any use of NSV tools for any form of compensation is not acceptable under the current users agreement.

Vchat20 · 26th May 2003, 16:11

Quote:

Originally posted by sankt
Your also forgetting that Nullsoft has not released NSV tools for commercial use.
Any use of NSV tools for any form of compensation is not acceptable under the current users agreement.

not to sound dumb or anything, but whatexactly does that mean? that currently since NSV is not released for commercial use it IS ok to rebroadcastcopyrighted material or it IS NOT ok to rebroadcast copyrighted material. cuz the main reason I am wondering is cuz me and a couple buddies over at a "Knight Rider" forum are planning on starting a live 24/7 netv that broadcast Knight Rider episodes non-stop and they are worried about legal issues involved in this.

Element-LZC · 26th May 2003, 23:09

Unless you get persmission by the owners t obroadcat that its illeagal. It does not matter what dosftware you use.

Todd Daugherty · 27th May 2003, 00:59

Hello all,

I'm going to through my two cents in. First it is illegal to rebroadcast or even used copyright material. The problem I have with this however is the RIAA, MPAA and the Copyright Office attempt to make the cost of getting permission to high that the small webcaster can't afford it. Not only do you have the pay the $500 to $2,500 to the RIAA group but the you also have to pay around $200 or higher to ASCAP, SESAC, BMI. The next problem I have with it is the "Users Rights" how does that apply to webcasting. I mean think about it you can broadcast a tv program to your friends using shoutcast because you'll have the MPAA and the RIAA on your butt. But, at the same time you can invite your friends over to your house and watch the show. Don't get me wrong I'm all for Copyrights i've got a few stories copyrighted. However, I believe that the fee shouldn't be so high that no one can afford it and or it disrupt the free flow of idea's

Todd

Bean-Net-Ken · 28th May 2003, 00:46

Problem is these goverment groups don't want kids starting things like this. No kid would spend say 500$ a month to have a fun naborhood radio or in this case even the ability to start a TV station. In other news it is to keep the currently big to stay big and not see the great opertunities out there!

Jeeper One · 30th May 2003, 04:05

Hi everyone:

Quote:

Originally posted by Bean-Net-Ken
Problem is these goverment groups don't want kids starting things like this. No kid would spend say 500$ a month to have a fun naborhood radio or in this case even the ability to start a TV station. In other news it is to keep the currently big to stay big and not see the great opertunities out there!

Maybe it's about time OUR OWN GOVERNMENT TAKES ITS OWN ADVICE when it comes to CONNECTING WITH KIDS...

Then too, about THE ONLY people the government knows how to IDENTIFY with are CORPORATE & BIG PAC SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND THEIR FUCKIN' LOBBYISTS who could JUMP OFF A FUCKIN' CLIFF as far as *I'm* concerned.

Acting in OUR "best interests??? HA. They have NO FUCKIN' CLUE as to what my "best interests are (but they like to THINK they do though!).

Just MY (no-so-humble) opinion...Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Jeeper One Radio Network
kpdcnetradio@msn.com
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/ (Our Flagship Station)

Vchat20 · 30th May 2003, 04:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeeper One
Hi everyone:

Maybe it's about time OUR OWN GOVERNMENT TAKES ITS OWN ADVICE when it comes to CONNECTING WITH KIDS...

Then too, about THE ONLY people the government knows how to IDENTIFY with are CORPORATE & BIG PAC SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND THEIR FUCKIN' LOBBYISTS who could JUMP OFF A FUCKIN' CLIFF as far as *I'm* concerned.

Acting in OUR "best interests??? HA. They have NO FUCKIN' CLUE as to what my "best interests are (but they like to THINK they do though!).

Just MY (no-so-humble) opinion...Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Jeeper One Radio Network
kpdcnetradio@msn.com
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/ (Our Flagship Station)

agree 100% with that brother!!

23rd April 2003, 22:17	#1
sean_malice Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 15	legal What about rebroadcasting already existing TV Channels (Fox, NBC, etc...) ? Can we do it, i mean legally ? Doesn't this infridge on copyright laws ? I saw people doing it already and find that pretty cool. Watching TV at my job.. But is there any risk or is this / will be tolerated by TV copmpanies ? I'd like this to go on for a long time. Any views on this would be apreciated.

24th April 2003, 01:27	#3
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	actually copyright applies the same way as it does in any other medium so you should only broadcast what you have rights or permission to broadcast. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

24th April 2003, 06:49	#5
Cody dot com bomb Beta Team Join Date: May 2000 Location: PA USA Posts: 111	Just removed Im sure some trained monkeys watch and ban the streams that get complaints from the content owners.

24th April 2003, 10:09	#7
Cody dot com bomb Beta Team Join Date: May 2000 Location: PA USA Posts: 111	So... Well then who does it for TV? If no one does this yet lets set one up. grin

24th April 2003, 10:34	#8
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	that's a good question, not sure, but I know that studio owners (IE NBC ABC CBS) and others would still have a vested interest in their content being distributed. As for setting it up, where do you want to start -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

23rd April 2003, 23:53	#2
Sawg Guest Posts: n/a	It's illegal. (Though that doesn't stop some people)

24th April 2003, 01:42	#4
Bean-Net-Ken Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PA,USA Posts: 137	What actions would be taken is the question, Would they tell you to turn it off or would they come and get you? You could have sorce come from Canada, no RIAA.

23rd May 2003, 22:47	#9
Todd Daugherty Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9	It's probably the N.A.B (National Association of Broadcasters) todd

25th May 2003, 05:13	#10
Jeeper One Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,054	Hi everyone: It's ILLEGAL to rebroadcast material that YOU KNOW is copyrighted. It's as simple as that. Some would say that Old Time Radio programs are copyrighted, but the truth is that EVERY Old Time Radio program BEFORE January 1st, 1978 are considered PUBLIC DOMAIN. I would imagine there are a handful of old TV shows that you don't even see on TVLand are considered to be PUBLIC DOMAIN too, but that list is rather small. Either way you look at it, unlike the early days of SHOUTcast, we KNOW what the rules are THIS time. As such, I'd be SHOCKED if we had another round of the very same thing which (STILL, thanks to The RIAA) plagues Internet Radio once Internet TV takes off in full swing. Just MY $.02 worth....Cheers for now :-) Patrick Cook Jeeper One Radio Network kpdcnetradio@msn.com Denver, Colorado http://kpdcnetradio.*********/ (Our Flagship Station) Pat Cook WSO-AM Soap Opera Radio** (Currently On The SHOUTcast YP But Website Coming Soon) Englewood, CO

25th May 2003, 05:36	#11
Element-LZC Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6	Wouldnt that make all the music shoutcasts illegal too? I mean i dont think everyone running a shoutcast radio got permission from all the artists to broadcast their music on the radio.

26th May 2003, 23:09	#14
Element-LZC Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6	Unless you get persmission by the owners t obroadcat that its illeagal. It does not matter what dosftware you use.

27th May 2003, 00:59	#15
Todd Daugherty Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9	Hello all, I'm going to through my two cents in. First it is illegal to rebroadcast or even used copyright material. The problem I have with this however is the RIAA, MPAA and the Copyright Office attempt to make the cost of getting permission to high that the small webcaster can't afford it. Not only do you have the pay the $500 to $2,500 to the RIAA group but the you also have to pay around $200 or higher to ASCAP, SESAC, BMI. The next problem I have with it is the "Users Rights" how does that apply to webcasting. I mean think about it you can broadcast a tv program to your friends using shoutcast because you'll have the MPAA and the RIAA on your butt. But, at the same time you can invite your friends over to your house and watch the show. Don't get me wrong I'm all for Copyrights i've got a few stories copyrighted. However, I believe that the fee shouldn't be so high that no one can afford it and or it disrupt the free flow of idea's Todd

28th May 2003, 00:46	#16
Bean-Net-Ken Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PA,USA Posts: 137	Problem is these goverment groups don't want kids starting things like this. No kid would spend say 500$ a month to have a fun naborhood radio or in this case even the ability to start a TV station. In other news it is to keep the currently big to stay big and not see the great opertunities out there!

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