Website??

legohead · 28th April 2003, 04:15

Well howabout it? Forums are designed for question asking/answering which makes for less intuitive (be careful how you interperate that) access to knowledge. A stable - permanent knowledge base could be quite useful to new and even experienced learners. A place to download packs, view tuturials - primers - tips - apes - anything avs.
I can source webspace and help with the coding (time permitting).

New users will go to a website before going to a forum which would keep this area a little less uncluttered with repeat questions.

Theres a strong community here and theres alot of people out there who want to be a part of it all. Im not going to bother without active participation from you all - in fact I might not even have time to do it. Who's up?

Tuggummi · 28th April 2003, 06:33

I have been pondering about the same thing... So far i would be willing, but im not technically able to pull it off.

I only know basic html & a very little css...

Tho if the website is not suppose to be dynamic i could try to make it, but it would require manual uptading in the future (meaning that i do pages with a text editor-like programm without any automagic functions)

Yathosho · 28th April 2003, 07:55

maybe some kind of a Wiki? the other possibility would be a CMS, which of course would require more administration. anyway, i can run some kind of wiki on the VISBOT server.

also check:
PhpWiki
Wiki
Wikipedia
etc.

AVS Axer · 28th April 2003, 11:02

I have also been thinking about it for a while.. i think ack.net was on its way to becoming avs central.. but we need a more 'stable' webmaster.

I'll ask around, i have some html-geek friends that are slghtly into avs, they might be interested.

Magic.X · 28th April 2003, 11:22

good idea, then we could stickie the link and route the newbies to a knowledge base.

I have enough experience (mostly Dreamweaer) with my own HP to get it on, shouldnt be a prob if it is only html - based. If you want to do that using something like a read-only php forum, it would be quite difficult, but better to handle for those who want to add stuff without upload everything.

Another idea would be a newsgroup with some daily tips

fsk · 28th April 2003, 12:04

Its a good idea, too bad i cant help (unless U need some blinking flash up there

).I hope it gets realised.

Rovastar · 28th April 2003, 12:56

Go Go Go. It will be a valuable resource.

Raz · 28th April 2003, 14:45

Me and my mate have been building a website for about 6 months now. It's a music site and all we have to do ebeforewe release is get together advertising and bulk up content for a bit. It has a whole assload of music related things on it and if i can convince him i could add an avs section for the site. Don't worry about the quality of the actual site it completely rules, so to speak and it would be a good boost if it were part of a site that relates to a few different things, more people would learn avs and the like. I'll see if i can persuade him but i'm not promising anything.

UnConeD · 28th April 2003, 14:51

You're saying I'm an unstable person? :P

I could put up a Wiki on acko.net if you want it. That way I don't need to intervene.

The CMS that ran on acko (******) has a collaborative book feature that allows people to compose a book, modify existing pages, approve new stuff, etc. Basically a more structured version of a Wiki.

Raz · 28th April 2003, 14:53

Yes but my way people who go to a site for other things may end up learning about avs.

anubis2003 · 28th April 2003, 21:17

This could be a good thing to have. I think someone should make it - I would, but my programming knowledge isn't that great.

UnConeD · 28th April 2003, 21:59

True but I have more trust in proven, tested and stable pieces of (open-source) software rather than a homebrewn solution hacked together in your spare time.

legohead · 28th April 2003, 23:59

OK sounds goooood. I guess all we need is content - who's up?

There will need to be tutorials on:
- The Basic GUI & Getting Started
- Simple Dynamic Movement
- Advanced Dynamic Movement
- Simple Superscopes
- 3d Superscopes
- Movement
- Writting apes
- Anything else??

The best way to tackle these would be to take the reader step by step through one or two projects. A simple project to explain the basic concepts. Then another to explain a little more in depth.
It won't be a recipe book - so you'll need to explain how/why/what/where in an easy to understand manner. Mathematic explanations could be tricky. I can help out with your writting skills - we don't want twenty page essays.

And most importantly - we need a good domain name. Any suggestions?

UnConeD · 29th April 2003, 00:07

Most of that is suppose to be in Atero's updated primer...

anubis2003 · 29th April 2003, 00:59

Yeah, but this site would be a place to bring it all together. Right now, everything is randomly scattered through these forums - we really need a place to combine everything, which is what the tips and tricks threads have been trying to do, but the problem with them is the complete lack of organization.

Shock Value · 29th April 2003, 03:07

I'd like to see some in-depth articles about style and aesthetics and all of that. I'm sure there will be plenty of technical articles, but I think there should be a section devoted to explaining, or at least showcasing, the various styles of AVS that exist. I'd be happy to contribute, but my time is somewhat limited and I know nothing beyond basic HTML.

Deamon · 29th April 2003, 08:25

Read my post in "Tips & Tricks posting chat". I'll see what I can do after my exams, any help and tips are very welcome at my mailaddress that I still have to set up for that purpose. More to come soon...

shreyas_potnis · 29th April 2003, 10:07

well, I can write on most of the things except ray-tracing, and I need help on APE's.
my grandpa is the best grammatician(or whatever) I have ever seen..he could edit the whole thing..

legohead · 29th April 2003, 23:29

I'd like to host on acko.net however I think a dedicated avs site is required? The wiki solution is looking quite good for pack uploads/tips and tricks... I dont think its appropriate for the general content. That content will need to be moderated and controlled to ensure the site retains good structure (and doesn't get messy).

However tips and tricks definately need to be recorded and setup for intuitive access and that may/may not need to be moderated.

UnConeD is there much coding required for including a wiki? I haven't had a chance to read the whitepaper.

AVS Axer · 1st May 2003, 15:05

im not saying that you are unstable in the axe murdering, pschychotic sence of the word, just that you have greater things to worry about such as study and what not, and cant be expected to host a reasonably active site all by your self.

I think its a brilliant idea if you wanted to have it at ack.net, that way you could also put in as much as you wanted and no more. BTW, i remember coming across some of youre posts on a html coders board a while ago (when i went through my web developer stage), i got the feeling that you know your stuff.

Also, i think we may have grossly underestimated the vastness of the ineta-ma-web Afterall, its not just us in this game. i searched just then and found two (very small) avs dedicated sites.

http://mirror01.users.i.com.ua/~sadar/avs/

cant seem to find the other one anymore

edit:
hey.. if we get a mb up and running, we can all relocate. I really hate winamp, and hate being affiliated with it. ... maybe i shouldnt have said that.. (big brother is always watching you)

Deamon · 1st May 2003, 21:14

/me loves winamp :P

AVS Axer · 2nd May 2003, 04:41

Maybe i just hate this site..

shreyas_potnis · 2nd May 2003, 09:50

well, I love the forums, cant imagine life without the forums after i became a member here.

Deamon · 2nd May 2003, 20:56

addict... :P

mikm · 2nd May 2003, 23:10

/\ what do you have against forum addicts?

Deamon · 3rd May 2003, 09:59

nuthin.. I love the forums myself as well. (Though "can't imagine life without it" is a little overrated in my point of view)

My excuses if I insulted anyone.

Magic.X · 5th May 2003, 10:16

Got a bit offtopic now.

Ok, facts:

-there are enough possibillities to get free webspace
-there are enough people, willing to contribute

conclusion: we can put up a simple avs site (simple only for the start, goes bigger and more complex as developing)

If i get some time i'll work out a frameset and a design in the meantime we gotta get a stickie "AVS Website Content" thread in here

I know, somewhen i'll be struck up in my multiple projects, but if you guys really want, i'll put up the site and share the ftp account with those who worked on it too for updates.

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 14:09

Quote:

we gotta get a stickie "AVS Website Content" thread in here

Not another?! Then unstickie the devart & steven wittens things since those are hella annoying...

Yathosho · 5th May 2003, 14:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Magic.X
-there are enough possibillities to get free webspace

but are there's any free hosters that allow you changing directory/file permissions (wiki requires this and many CMS too). if you're going for a CMS you need most likely a db (mysql for instance) and a script language (most commonly php).

since i havnt checked any free hosters since geocities back in 1997, i'm not really up-to-date regarding free hosters. usually they suck (> bad speed, pop-ups).

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 17:04

you can find free webspace providers and use a cool URL redirect like avs.has.it

Or we can all donate 4$ and we could buy a host and space for 1 year.

Magic.X · 6th May 2003, 06:34

Tug, thats what i already said. Devart and the Seve Wittens Pack can be unstickied as they are not of general purpose (IMO).

Killahbite, i dont want to put up a wiki or anything like that. I'd rather like to start with a little house than the empire state building. A good website with a collection of tips and tricks in normal html will do it, later on we still can change this and expand the site.

Considering free webspace, i got a host for mine with 25 megs, no ads or pops. This should be fairly enough for starting the project.

legohead · 9th May 2003, 00:02

Thats right mx - the only content that needs to be uploaded is new avs packs (if they really need to be included at all). Theres no need for discussion groups and forums etc - although maybe later on perhaps.

I just need content please - who's doing who what where when... please!

Magic.X · 9th May 2003, 06:43

I'll open a new Topic for the content, so everyone can write a artikle about whatever he'd like to publish about avs including files and stuff.

If all is done i'll create a website where all that stuff is collected.

Magic.X · 9th May 2003, 10:12

Aw, too late to edit. Anyway, i found this free host:
http://www.freewebspace.net/php/view.php?id=1335

Looks good, doesnt it? And besides, this would offer a possibility to create a avsers forum apart from wadotcom.

UnConeD · 9th May 2003, 17:07

Look even for a simple website, a CMS is the way to go...Saves you lots of time in the long run.

Phaze1987 · 9th May 2003, 18:07

It looks good...But i dont trust the name broadiecarpark and it doesnt load the webhost provider page from my computer.For forums this forum is perfect and shouldnt be changed

UCD : cant you do smth with acko.net so that we can post articles,tips,presets and news ? Like an AVS portal

Nic01 · 9th May 2003, 23:58

The server for Acko.net was funded by someone else, so there's a good chance of "no"

mikm · 10th May 2003, 00:04

looks nice...wonder what the catch is.

has anyone registered the AVS site yet?

mikm · 10th May 2003, 03:58

hmm...maybe this is NOT the best spot.
read this:
http://www.broadiecarpark.com/module...hp?cat_id=1#q1

We might want to try this:
http://www.neopages.net/info.shtml It was rated top overall and in features, although it is apparently hard to join. (See the link)

http://www.winampavs.net/ is open
www.avsforums.net is open
avs.com and avs.net are taken
any other suggestions?

To get this, though, we have to 'apply' with an example of our site or something.

Phaze1987 · 10th May 2003, 08:17

Michael that is absolutely great ! Apply for an account and as a reason say that we need a new forum

Suggestions : avslibrary.com avsportal.net theAVS.com phaze.net

28th April 2003, 04:15	#1
legohead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181	Website?? Well howabout it? Forums are designed for question asking/answering which makes for less intuitive (be careful how you interperate that) access to knowledge. A stable - permanent knowledge base could be quite useful to new and even experienced learners. A place to download packs, view tuturials - primers - tips - apes - anything avs. I can source webspace and help with the coding (time permitting). New users will go to a website before going to a forum which would keep this area a little less uncluttered with repeat questions. Theres a strong community here and theres alot of people out there who want to be a part of it all. Im not going to bother without active participation from you all - in fact I might not even have time to do it. Who's up?

28th April 2003, 06:33	#2
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	I have been pondering about the same thing... So far i would be willing, but im not technically able to pull it off. I only know basic html & a very little css... Tho if the website is not suppose to be dynamic i could try to make it, but it would require manual uptading in the future (meaning that i do pages with a text editor-like programm without any automagic functions) Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

28th April 2003, 07:55	#3
Yathosho Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: AT-DE Posts: 3,166	maybe some kind of a Wiki? the other possibility would be a CMS, which of course would require more administration. anyway, i can run some kind of wiki on the VISBOT server. also check: PhpWiki Wiki Wikipedia etc. Fossil 2002 III \| visboTVisbot \| NSIS Highlighter \| NSIS Twitter \| NSIS Graphics \| PimpBot \| How to setup AVS? Last edited by Yathosho; 28th April 2003 at 08:13.

28th April 2003, 11:22	#5
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	good idea, then we could stickie the link and route the newbies to a knowledge base. I have enough experience (mostly Dreamweaer) with my own HP to get it on, shouldnt be a prob if it is only html - based. If you want to do that using something like a read-only php forum, it would be quite difficult, but better to handle for those who want to add stuff without upload everything. Another idea would be a newsgroup with some daily tips -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

28th April 2003, 12:04	#6
fsk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: right around the corner Posts: 223	Its a good idea, too bad i cant help (unless U need some blinking flash up there).I hope it gets realised. I hate signatures!! bangs his head on the keyboard in hope of getting an idea Ufihreevf43n98pevfr

28th April 2003, 11:02	#4
AVS Axer Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ozshtrayleeuh Posts: 98	I have also been thinking about it for a while.. i think ack.net was on its way to becoming avs central.. but we need a more 'stable' webmaster. I'll ask around, i have some html-geek friends that are slghtly into avs, they might be interested.

28th April 2003, 12:56	#7
Rovastar Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,612	Go Go Go. It will be a valuable resource. "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - MilkDrop www.milkdrop.co.uk New Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com

28th April 2003, 14:45	#8
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Me and my mate have been building a website for about 6 months now. It's a music site and all we have to do ebeforewe release is get together advertising and bulk up content for a bit. It has a whole assload of music related things on it and if i can convince him i could add an avs section for the site. Don't worry about the quality of the actual site it completely rules, so to speak and it would be a good boost if it were part of a site that relates to a few different things, more people would learn avs and the like. I'll see if i can persuade him but i'm not promising anything.

28th April 2003, 14:51	#9
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	You're saying I'm an unstable person? :P I could put up a Wiki on acko.net if you want it. That way I don't need to intervene. The CMS that ran on acko (******) has a collaborative book feature that allows people to compose a book, modify existing pages, approve new stuff, etc. Basically a more structured version of a Wiki.

28th April 2003, 14:53	#10
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Yes but my way people who go to a site for other things may end up learning about avs.

28th April 2003, 21:17	#11
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	This could be a good thing to have. I think someone should make it - I would, but my programming knowledge isn't that great. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

28th April 2003, 21:59	#12
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	True but I have more trust in proven, tested and stable pieces of (open-source) software rather than a homebrewn solution hacked together in your spare time.

28th April 2003, 23:59	#13
legohead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181	OK sounds goooood. I guess all we need is content - who's up? There will need to be tutorials on: - The Basic GUI & Getting Started - Simple Dynamic Movement - Advanced Dynamic Movement - Simple Superscopes - 3d Superscopes - Movement - Writting apes - Anything else?? The best way to tackle these would be to take the reader step by step through one or two projects. A simple project to explain the basic concepts. Then another to explain a little more in depth. It won't be a recipe book - so you'll need to explain how/why/what/where in an easy to understand manner. Mathematic explanations could be tricky. I can help out with your writting skills - we don't want twenty page essays. And most importantly - we need a good domain name. Any suggestions?

29th April 2003, 00:07	#14
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Most of that is suppose to be in Atero's updated primer...

29th April 2003, 00:59	#15
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Yeah, but this site would be a place to bring it all together. Right now, everything is randomly scattered through these forums - we really need a place to combine everything, which is what the tips and tricks threads have been trying to do, but the problem with them is the complete lack of organization. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

29th April 2003, 03:07	#16
Shock Value Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 158	I'd like to see some in-depth articles about style and aesthetics and all of that. I'm sure there will be plenty of technical articles, but I think there should be a section devoted to explaining, or at least showcasing, the various styles of AVS that exist. I'd be happy to contribute, but my time is somewhat limited and I know nothing beyond basic HTML.

29th April 2003, 08:25	#17
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	Read my post in "Tips & Tricks posting chat". I'll see what I can do after my exams, any help and tips are very welcome at my mailaddress that I still have to set up for that purpose. More to come soon... .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

29th April 2003, 10:07	#18
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	well, I can write on most of the things except ray-tracing, and I need help on APE's. my grandpa is the best grammatician(or whatever) I have ever seen..he could edit the whole thing.. http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

29th April 2003, 23:29	#19
legohead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181	I'd like to host on acko.net however I think a dedicated avs site is required? The wiki solution is looking quite good for pack uploads/tips and tricks... I dont think its appropriate for the general content. That content will need to be moderated and controlled to ensure the site retains good structure (and doesn't get messy). However tips and tricks definately need to be recorded and setup for intuitive access and that may/may not need to be moderated. UnConeD is there much coding required for including a wiki? I haven't had a chance to read the whitepaper. Last edited by legohead; 29th April 2003 at 23:46.

1st May 2003, 15:05	#20
AVS Axer Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ozshtrayleeuh Posts: 98	im not saying that you are unstable in the axe murdering, pschychotic sence of the word, just that you have greater things to worry about such as study and what not, and cant be expected to host a reasonably active site all by your self. I think its a brilliant idea if you wanted to have it at ack.net, that way you could also put in as much as you wanted and no more. BTW, i remember coming across some of youre posts on a html coders board a while ago (when i went through my web developer stage), i got the feeling that you know your stuff. Also, i think we may have grossly underestimated the vastness of the ineta-ma-web Afterall, its not just us in this game. i searched just then and found two (very small) avs dedicated sites. http://mirror01.users.i.com.ua/~sadar/avs/ cant seem to find the other one anymore edit: hey.. if we get a mb up and running, we can all relocate. I really hate winamp, and hate being affiliated with it. ... maybe i shouldnt have said that.. (big brother is always watching you)

1st May 2003, 21:14	#21
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	/me loves winamp :P .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

2nd May 2003, 04:41	#22
AVS Axer Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ozshtrayleeuh Posts: 98	Maybe i just hate this site..

2nd May 2003, 09:50	#23
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	well, I love the forums, cant imagine life without the forums after i became a member here. http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

2nd May 2003, 20:56	#24
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	addict... :P .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

2nd May 2003, 23:10	#25
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: 2001:4978:20f::/48 Posts: 1,244	/\ what do you have against forum addicts? powered by Câ‚‚Hâ‚…OH \| eff \| aclu

3rd May 2003, 09:59	#26
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	nuthin.. I love the forums myself as well. (Though "can't imagine life without it" is a little overrated in my point of view) My excuses if I insulted anyone. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

5th May 2003, 10:16	#27
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Got a bit offtopic now. Ok, facts: -there are enough possibillities to get free webspace -there are enough people, willing to contribute conclusion: we can put up a simple avs site (simple only for the start, goes bigger and more complex as developing) If i get some time i'll work out a frameset and a design in the meantime we gotta get a stickie "AVS Website Content" thread in here I know, somewhen i'll be struck up in my multiple projects, but if you guys really want, i'll put up the site and share the ftp account with those who worked on it too for updates. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

5th May 2003, 17:04	#30
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	you can find free webspace providers and use a cool URL redirect like avs.has.it Or we can all donate 4$ and we could buy a host and space for 1 year. \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

6th May 2003, 06:34	#31
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Tug, thats what i already said. Devart and the Seve Wittens Pack can be unstickied as they are not of general purpose (IMO). Killahbite, i dont want to put up a wiki or anything like that. I'd rather like to start with a little house than the empire state building. A good website with a collection of tips and tricks in normal html will do it, later on we still can change this and expand the site. Considering free webspace, i got a host for mine with 25 megs, no ads or pops. This should be fairly enough for starting the project. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

9th May 2003, 00:02	#32
legohead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181	Thats right mx - the only content that needs to be uploaded is new avs packs (if they really need to be included at all). Theres no need for discussion groups and forums etc - although maybe later on perhaps. I just need content please - who's doing who what where when... please!

9th May 2003, 06:43	#33
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	I'll open a new Topic for the content, so everyone can write a artikle about whatever he'd like to publish about avs including files and stuff. If all is done i'll create a website where all that stuff is collected. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

9th May 2003, 10:12	#34
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Aw, too late to edit. Anyway, i found this free host: http://www.freewebspace.net/php/view.php?id=1335 Looks good, doesnt it? And besides, this would offer a possibility to create a avsers forum apart from wadotcom. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

9th May 2003, 17:07	#35
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Look even for a simple website, a CMS is the way to go...Saves you lots of time in the long run.

9th May 2003, 18:07	#36
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	It looks good...But i dont trust the name broadiecarpark and it doesnt load the webhost provider page from my computer.For forums this forum is perfect and shouldnt be changed UCD : cant you do smth with acko.net so that we can post articles,tips,presets and news ? Like an AVS portal \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

9th May 2003, 23:58	#37
Nic01 Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Biggest Little City Posts: 508	The server for Acko.net was funded by someone else, so there's a good chance of "no" [soon to leave, sirs]