Contest - we need one! - Page 5

Raz · 2nd June 2003, 22:20

The reason i did this is because it would stand out from all the other boring flow presets that you see everywhere. It flows around and morphs instead of a typical mediocre swirling around and leaving a trail type boring crap. I am so sorry for breaking the theme a little and trying not to release a pack full of the same presets.

sidd · 2nd June 2003, 23:54

[Ishan] · 3rd June 2003, 06:18

i liked the colours in Raz's preset

Tuggummi · 3rd June 2003, 06:32

Raz, there is no need to be grudgy

My words don't count.

But you can read, can't you? Or did you happen to miss the word "flow" in the "Flow contest" part?

Maybe another contest after we get the pack together and the "real" reviews about the presets, with no limits, let's just see who's the best or something

If that's what you want?

[Ishan] · 3rd June 2003, 06:47

I'm sure raz'S Preset would have won the first prize if there were a "plasma contest"

sidd · 3rd June 2003, 08:44

well, if it were a plasma contest, i think i might have done a plasma preset aswell.

[Ishan] · 3rd June 2003, 09:40

Everbody would have done a plasma preset

Raz · 3rd June 2003, 15:00

Does it, or does it not "flow"? Why yes it does, just not in the conventional way.

sidd · 3rd June 2003, 15:56

http://www.dictionary.com :

flow...
"To move or run smoothly with unbroken continuity, as in the manner characteristic of a fluid."

dont say nuttin' about scopes that leave 'trails'

shreyas_potnis · 3rd June 2003, 16:15

any fluid flows!

Raz · 3rd June 2003, 17:22

And guess what, mine flows, so screw you.

UnConeD · 3rd June 2003, 18:20

Flow is VERY subjective. I don't mind mine not being accepted, I made a slightly better version of it already anyway (but it doesn't satisfy the technical limitations).
For me, flow means something that moves smoothly, not just a scope+DM combo.

dirkdeftly · 3rd June 2003, 18:44

raz...unconed...warp != flow. try this: drop some food coloring in spinning water. what it will do is run around and dilute itself. what it will not do is stick together and move around and change shape a little bit.

Raz · 3rd June 2003, 22:25

Except one minor thing. It's not fucking diluting, it's flowing. Flowing is smooth movement, mine moves smoothly. Great job you shrubs, you all made the same preset. The only reason i didn't submit a flow preset like the rest of you is because it's so fucking boring watching the same old preset go by. When you do a contest you shouldn't be so anal about the title because you'll end up with the same preset over and over. You want that then fine, don't accept it. Fuck it and you.

UnConeD · 3rd June 2003, 23:54

Look in that case the contest rules should've stated "You MUST use one DM that is fed back the image it has produced from a previous frame".

I guess this was a good lesson if anyone wants to do another contest...

sidd · 4th June 2003, 02:15

c'mon, i think all of the flowy presets are different enough in their own rights.. mosdt of them are reasonably new looking.

This competition HAS tought us alot: no matter how tight our little group may seem, we are bound to bicker and bicker endlessly over shit-all! Next time, we get someone else, not from here (maybe rovastar or someone) to create the rules, and get judges from somewhere else.

Im all for doing another contest, though i think some restrictions are neccessary: its impossible to judge what is "the best all round preset". think about it, what if tuggummi produces some ground breaking amazing looking thing like he always does, and UnConeD makes a ground breaking new code idea like a pig dancing infront of a mirror on a voxel landscape under a fractle sky in 4-D. Then what will we do....Well, id like to see that pig, but i dont know which ide vote for.

I'm happy with the way the comp has turned out... we have some nice presets in there. Including the ones that may or may not be defined as 'flowy'. I dont think that presets should be excluded because they dont flow enough, just they wont win. Flow should be a criteria in judging, along with speed, aesthetica and the rest.

S-uper_T-oast · 4th June 2003, 03:03

I would really like to see just the dancing pig in 4-D, that would be really cool. Another thing I noticed is that most of the disagreements about this whole contest have been based on "poor-wording" of rules and/or mis-interrpretation of the same a few words.

Tuggummi · 4th June 2003, 05:53

So it should've been a diluting contest then, although most people (like myself) don't even know what the fuck it means

I kinda agree with siddharta here if anyone wants to make another contest, there must be somekind of limits or rules... otherwise it just gets messy when it comes putting them in the winning order... unless we have a poll an like atleast 100 voters then it would be pretty fair... But we don't HAVE 100 VOTERS, do we?

If rules: They all look the same...
If not rules: Not enough voters...

First one to figure this one out gets a peanut...

sidd · 4th June 2003, 06:07

something like: contest=(rules+norules)*0.5

i have my own peanuts. so dont bother

Tuggummi · 4th June 2003, 06:13

What if i give you Atero's Peanuts? It's not like he needs anymore balls to bitch around the forums... maybe that will tone him down

j/k

[Ishan] · 4th June 2003, 08:53

I dont know what's gonna happen to this contest now

Raz · 6th June 2003, 16:31

Bleh, what was i on? Forget that i don't give two shits what you do with it. I say we have another contest where all you're given is a title, judgeing criteria can be, creativity with the title, FPS, and yadda yadda the rest of the regular criteria, no limit to what components you can use, but FPS will be a judging criteria. Then we won't have all these problems.

sidd · 7th June 2003, 00:44

very nice idea
BUT WHERE ARE THE JUDGES FOR THIS ONE???
we want result!

[Ishan] · 7th June 2003, 05:25

where is phaze??

shreyas_potnis · 7th June 2003, 09:24

I would say UnConeD's preset is quite viscous

Yeah and Phaze has vanished somewhere, I have a compilation of all the flow presets, should we submit it in the GD?

Zevensoft · 8th June 2003, 04:28

Here is my 4cAUD on the matter.

Speed - One which looks OK, but runs really good.
1st. uNDefineD - Hypnotism: Not really a flow as such, but it's the fastest.
2nd. shock value - chrome current: Good colours, and runs good.
3rd. nixa - another flow preset: Runs well, but the colours are a bit harsh.
Worthy mentions: Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff (Fast FPS, flow is a bit dodgy), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.), Ishan_rocky - Curves and colours (Bit too blurry).

Looks - One which runs OK, but looks really good.
1st. Atero - Trefoil: Bit slow, but very good visual.
2nd. shock value - chrome current: Runs good, with good colours.
3rd. siddharta - the gloaming: Very scary look, but colours a bit boring.
Worthy mentions: Magic - Organic Tunnel (A trippy look, but not flowy enough), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.)

Innovation - One which features an interesting new effect.
1st. Atero - Fingerpaint: The smudgy paint is good.
2nd. Raz: Plasma hehe.
3rd. UnConeD - Daedalus: I'm sure it's a fancy scope.

Response - One which reacts to music the best.
1st. Nixa - another flow preset.
2nd. siddharta - the gloaming.
3rd. shock value - chrome current.
Worthy mentions: All had average beat response. (shreyas hungryskull raz ishan_rocky)

Overall - One which excells in most areas.
1st. shock value - chrome current.
2nd. siddharta - the gloaming.
3rd. Nixa - another flow preset.
4th. UnConeD - Daedalus
5th. Magic - Organic Tunnel

[Presets were not rated based on technical or size qualities]

Phaze1987 · 8th June 2003, 09:18

Phaze was offline for 1 week cause of ISP.So...Ok i`ll gather all the presets and post my own review.Is there a need for NSIS or just a zip ?

shreyas_potnis · 8th June 2003, 09:28

I do not find my preset anywhere in zaven's review,

Must work more hard now.

blazer1504 · 8th June 2003, 10:18

IMO the judges should rate every preset (with rate 1-10 perhaps) and the one what gets the most points wins..

I'm not sure if I want to get to the jury because I have only couple contest entries now, and I'm not sure if I have time & nerves to dl each & every contest entry with this connection I have..

But I'll let you know that in day or two

[Ishan] · 8th June 2003, 15:12

Uh...blaze if you look back at the fourth page of this thread you will find that shreyas has already compiled all the presets in one pack so no need to download ever preset seperately.

blazer1504 · 9th June 2003, 15:38

Quote:

Uh...blaze if you look back at the fourth page of this thread you will find that shreyas has already compiled all the presets in one pack so no need to download ever preset seperately.

...and NOW you tell me

Anyway, how 'bout making the rating-system from 1-16 (was there more than 16 entries? ),so that you can use each number ONLY once (putting presets in to order from worst to best in another words) when this is done, I PM my numbers to doggydog & zevensoft, doggydog PMs his to me & Zeven and so on.. When some of the judges haves the numbers he publishes the results here and other judges agrees / disagrees..

does that sound fair ??

[Ishan] · 9th June 2003, 16:46

sounds fair to me.

Phaze1987 · 9th June 2003, 19:54

sounds nice but its a bit complicated...IMHO reviews like zevensoft`s are the best way to declare the winners.The author/preset that appears as #1 in most reviews is declared #1 in the final winner list,so on with #2 and #3...Its simple and fair

S-uper_T-oast · 10th June 2003, 02:22

I like the sounds of blazer's idea, but what would you do if somehow two presets tied using any method?

shreyas_potnis · 10th June 2003, 03:35

There was going to be a poll or something wasnt it?

dirkdeftly · 10th June 2003, 05:13

no, there wasn't. this has been said at least three times before, shreyas.

way to pay attention

[Ishan] · 10th June 2003, 06:59

you forget to soon shreyas

Like raz said before-"Everyone will vote for their own presets".There should not be any poll.
Anyway i've had too much of this , i mean does'nt it sound crazy?? the contestants themselves are discussing how the result should be decided?
No offense , but this should have been decided before.

blazer1504 · 10th June 2003, 10:17

Here's my rates and my two cents of presets, do you what you do with this...

Name: points: misc:
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Hungryskull 1 uhm...

Super Toast 2 ugly & empty

Ishan 3 not too flowy, quite static

Raz 4 um...flow ??

Runar 5 too static & gets boring after awhile

Nixa 6 Ugly colors

Undenifed 7 this have been made like million times

Tuggummi 8 Good base but it's missing good colors and something..

Shreyas 9 Good response & I really like the dot design, some not so good movements in multimov dynamove

Siddharta 10 Good dynamove, colors needs fixing

Magic 11 Neat but needs more beatresponse..

Stardust 12 Good colors, good fps

UnConeD 13 I'm loving the scope here. Really nice colors as well , but not exactly a "flow" preset if you ask me..

Atero 14 Nice flow, sweet colors, dynmove is also quite nice

Mquadrat 15 Really responsive, good flow

Shock Value 16 Even though, I don't have the 'addborders' ape this looks really good. Good fps rate & looks absolutly awesome in hi-res fullscreen mode

shreyas_potnis · 10th June 2003, 11:34

This review is inverse I think. And I meant for the vote in the GD forums.

Tuggummi · 10th June 2003, 11:57

I don't support the idea of voting in the General Discussion forums. Thank you for your time, have a nice day.

3rd June 2003, 06:32	#4
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Raz, there is no need to be grudgy My words don't count. But you can read, can't you? Or did you happen to miss the word "flow" in the "Flow contest" part? Maybe another contest after we get the pack together and the "real" reviews about the presets, with no limits, let's just see who's the best or something If that's what you want? Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

3rd June 2003, 06:47	#5
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	I'm sure raz'S Preset would have won the first prize if there were a "plasma contest" Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

3rd June 2003, 09:40	#7
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	Everbody would have done a plasma preset Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

3rd June 2003, 16:15	#10
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	any fluid flows! http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

3rd June 2003, 18:44	#13
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	raz...unconed...warp != flow. try this: drop some food coloring in spinning water. what it will do is run around and dilute itself. what it will not do is stick together and move around and change shape a little bit. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

2nd June 2003, 22:20	#1
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	The reason i did this is because it would stand out from all the other boring flow presets that you see everywhere. It flows around and morphs instead of a typical mediocre swirling around and leaving a trail type boring crap. I am so sorry for breaking the theme a little and trying not to release a pack full of the same presets.

2nd June 2003, 23:54	#2
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353

3rd June 2003, 06:18	#3
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	i liked the colours in Raz's preset Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

3rd June 2003, 08:44	#6
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	well, if it were a plasma contest, i think i might have done a plasma preset aswell.

3rd June 2003, 15:00	#8
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Does it, or does it not "flow"? Why yes it does, just not in the conventional way.

3rd June 2003, 15:56	#9
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	http://www.dictionary.com : flow... "To move or run smoothly with unbroken continuity, as in the manner characteristic of a fluid." dont say nuttin' about scopes that leave 'trails'

3rd June 2003, 17:22	#11
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	And guess what, mine flows, so screw you.

3rd June 2003, 18:20	#12
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Flow is VERY subjective. I don't mind mine not being accepted, I made a slightly better version of it already anyway (but it doesn't satisfy the technical limitations). For me, flow means something that moves smoothly, not just a scope+DM combo.

3rd June 2003, 22:25	#14
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Except one minor thing. It's not fucking diluting, it's flowing. Flowing is smooth movement, mine moves smoothly. Great job you shrubs, you all made the same preset. The only reason i didn't submit a flow preset like the rest of you is because it's so fucking boring watching the same old preset go by. When you do a contest you shouldn't be so anal about the title because you'll end up with the same preset over and over. You want that then fine, don't accept it. Fuck it and you.

3rd June 2003, 23:54	#15
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Look in that case the contest rules should've stated "You MUST use one DM that is fed back the image it has produced from a previous frame". I guess this was a good lesson if anyone wants to do another contest...

4th June 2003, 02:15	#16
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	c'mon, i think all of the flowy presets are different enough in their own rights.. mosdt of them are reasonably new looking. This competition HAS tought us alot: no matter how tight our little group may seem, we are bound to bicker and bicker endlessly over shit-all! Next time, we get someone else, not from here (maybe rovastar or someone) to create the rules, and get judges from somewhere else. Im all for doing another contest, though i think some restrictions are neccessary: its impossible to judge what is "the best all round preset". think about it, what if tuggummi produces some ground breaking amazing looking thing like he always does, and UnConeD makes a ground breaking new code idea like a pig dancing infront of a mirror on a voxel landscape under a fractle sky in 4-D. Then what will we do....Well, id like to see that pig, but i dont know which ide vote for. I'm happy with the way the comp has turned out... we have some nice presets in there. Including the ones that may or may not be defined as 'flowy'. I dont think that presets should be excluded because they dont flow enough, just they wont win. Flow should be a criteria in judging, along with speed, aesthetica and the rest.

4th June 2003, 03:03	#17
S-uper_T-oast Forum King Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fnord?! Posts: 2,657	I would really like to see just the dancing pig in 4-D, that would be really cool. Another thing I noticed is that most of the disagreements about this whole contest have been based on "poor-wording" of rules and/or mis-interrpretation of the same a few words.

4th June 2003, 05:53	#18
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	So it should've been a diluting contest then, although most people (like myself) don't even know what the fuck it means I kinda agree with siddharta here if anyone wants to make another contest, there must be somekind of limits or rules... otherwise it just gets messy when it comes putting them in the winning order... unless we have a poll an like atleast 100 voters then it would be pretty fair... But we don't HAVE 100 VOTERS, do we? If rules: They all look the same... If not rules: Not enough voters... First one to figure this one out gets a peanut... Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

4th June 2003, 06:07	#19
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	something like: contest=(rules+norules)*0.5 i have my own peanuts. so dont bother

4th June 2003, 06:13	#20
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	What if i give you Atero's Peanuts? It's not like he needs anymore balls to bitch around the forums... maybe that will tone him down j/k Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

4th June 2003, 08:53	#21
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	I dont know what's gonna happen to this contest now Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

6th June 2003, 16:31	#22
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Bleh, what was i on? Forget that i don't give two shits what you do with it. I say we have another contest where all you're given is a title, judgeing criteria can be, creativity with the title, FPS, and yadda yadda the rest of the regular criteria, no limit to what components you can use, but FPS will be a judging criteria. Then we won't have all these problems.

7th June 2003, 00:44	#23
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	very nice idea BUT WHERE ARE THE JUDGES FOR THIS ONE??? we want result!

7th June 2003, 05:25	#24
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	where is phaze?? Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

7th June 2003, 09:24	#25
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	I would say UnConeD's preset is quite viscous Yeah and Phaze has vanished somewhere, I have a compilation of all the flow presets, should we submit it in the GD? http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

8th June 2003, 04:28	#26
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	Here is my 4cAUD on the matter. Speed - One which looks OK, but runs really good. 1st. uNDefineD - Hypnotism: Not really a flow as such, but it's the fastest. 2nd. shock value - chrome current: Good colours, and runs good. 3rd. nixa - another flow preset: Runs well, but the colours are a bit harsh. Worthy mentions: Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff (Fast FPS, flow is a bit dodgy), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.), Ishan_rocky - Curves and colours (Bit too blurry). Looks - One which runs OK, but looks really good. 1st. Atero - Trefoil: Bit slow, but very good visual. 2nd. shock value - chrome current: Runs good, with good colours. 3rd. siddharta - the gloaming: Very scary look, but colours a bit boring. Worthy mentions: Magic - Organic Tunnel (A trippy look, but not flowy enough), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.) Innovation - One which features an interesting new effect. 1st. Atero - Fingerpaint: The smudgy paint is good. 2nd. Raz: Plasma hehe. 3rd. UnConeD - Daedalus: I'm sure it's a fancy scope. Response - One which reacts to music the best. 1st. Nixa - another flow preset. 2nd. siddharta - the gloaming. 3rd. shock value - chrome current. Worthy mentions: All had average beat response. (shreyas hungryskull raz ishan_rocky) Overall - One which excells in most areas. 1st. shock value - chrome current. 2nd. siddharta - the gloaming. 3rd. Nixa - another flow preset. 4th. UnConeD - Daedalus 5th. Magic - Organic Tunnel [Presets were not rated based on technical or size qualities] 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

8th June 2003, 09:18	#27
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Phaze was offline for 1 week cause of ISP.So...Ok i`ll gather all the presets and post my own review.Is there a need for NSIS or just a zip ? \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

8th June 2003, 09:28	#28
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	I do not find my preset anywhere in zaven's review, Must work more hard now. http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

8th June 2003, 10:18	#29
blazer1504 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: .fi Posts: 155	IMO the judges should rate every preset (with rate 1-10 perhaps) and the one what gets the most points wins.. I'm not sure if I want to get to the jury because I have only couple contest entries now, and I'm not sure if I have time & nerves to dl each & every contest entry with this connection I have.. But I'll let you know that in day or two

8th June 2003, 15:12	#30
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	Uh...blaze if you look back at the fourth page of this thread you will find that shreyas has already compiled all the presets in one pack so no need to download ever preset seperately. Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

9th June 2003, 16:46	#32
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	sounds fair to me. Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

9th June 2003, 19:54	#33
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	sounds nice but its a bit complicated...IMHO reviews like zevensoft`s are the best way to declare the winners.The author/preset that appears as #1 in most reviews is declared #1 in the final winner list,so on with #2 and #3...Its simple and fair \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

10th June 2003, 02:22	#34
S-uper_T-oast Forum King Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fnord?! Posts: 2,657	I like the sounds of blazer's idea, but what would you do if somehow two presets tied using any method?

10th June 2003, 03:35	#35
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	There was going to be a poll or something wasnt it? http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

10th June 2003, 05:13	#36
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	no, there wasn't. this has been said at least three times before, shreyas. way to pay attention "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings