The Cure

[Twilightseer]

Welcome MakSa

Cylob,

I've always promised myself to listen to Curve stuff, considering they toured with The Cure in 1992 opening for them, they must be good.
What should I start with ?

[Cylob]

I must open a Curve thread (the temptation's too great)......

[Cylob]

The Cure DVD soon at orac's. I've got my 3D glasses ready.

[MakSa]

I'm a big cure fan dating from Boys Don't Cry era. I have listened to most of the albums/Cd's except for some rare B-side unreleased. I do think that Bloodflowers is pretty much the ending of the Cure, untill some old members can rejoin. I don't think that is going to happen. Kiss Me.., and Disentigration I think was the last of the true Cure sound.

Glad to join the forum. It's nice to see that people still listen to the Cure.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by MakSa
Kiss Me.., and Disentigration I think was the last of the true Cure sound.

I agree there MakSa. What happened was they saw alot of up-and-coming bands in 89,90 and 91, and wanted to imitate some of it. Which is why I can hear Ride and My Bloody Valentine in Wish and Bloodflowers.

But I suppose everyone borrows from everyone. I could name 10 bands that have borrowed heavilly from The Cure, Slowdive for instance stole various baselines.

[Twilightseer]

Wish was indeed sort of a tribute to all of the shoegazing guitar bands that emerged in the early 90s, most of which had The Cure as an obvious influence.

At least, the B-side boxset (now scheduled for Jan 2004) will allow us to hear some cool tracks with the best band members; as long as Cooper and Bamonte remain in the band, The Cure will not be able to rise to its old level

[Cylob]

Okay then 'seer, how about The Cure invite bands to do a second Mixed-Up album??? Seeing as the first was so good.

[Cylob]

What's this 'Forbidden Toxic Medicine' compilation that's sloshing around the internet??? 10 or so remixes....... I'm trying to net the thing.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
What's this 'Forbidden Toxic Medicine' compilation that's sloshing around the internet??? 10 or so remixes....... I'm trying to net the thing.

Probably a bootleg compilation, I think I remember seeing it once, not official that's for sure

Never thought I'd say that but now, I'd really like Robert to release his solo record.

[sidd]

does anyone else like wish?
its my fav albumn, but no other hardcore cure fans ever seem to like it.

:|

[Twilightseer]

I like Wish, though it's never been a fave of mine. It's a pure rock record but I think that most tracks off it are way better played live (esp Open, Cut, End), the album is somehow overproduced but some songs on it are some of my fave cure numbers ( To Wish Impossible Thins, Apart, A Letter To Elise)

[sidd]

what about edge of the deep green sea
thats among my fav cure songs

and your totaly right, most songs on that albumn come across better live, but ive always thought that the album itself has a really cool feel.

[Cylob]

I find Wish to be eclectic, almost a compilation album. But that's what happens when your head's in 3 or 4 places. They were going to record 2 albums - 1 pop and 1 more serious, but they just did the 1 (which was neither). Some of my favourite tracks are on Wish, Open is as good as anything they've done (past, present or future).

To change subject, I think the percussion on Bloodflowers is excellent. Well done Jason.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
To change subject, I think the percussion on Bloodflowers is excellent. Well done Jason.

Erm, smoked some bad stuff today, Cylob ?
Seriously what tracks in particular ? Jason may be acceptable on percussion, but for proper drumming, he's hopeless (he ruins Maybe Someday and 39 with his lousy drumming).

[Cylob]

I always thought he did a good job on Maybe Someday. He fits the melody like a glove there.

[orac]

many people considered Mixed Up to be a robert smith project and didn't actually like it.. I do, but they would be daft to do another one..

I agree with Cylob... whats wrong with the drumming on Bloodflowers? Sounds good to me - especially on 39

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by orac
I agree with Cylob... whats wrong with the drumming on Bloodflowers? Sounds good to me - especially on 39

Well, take a listen to "Disintegration" (the song) for real drumming

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Well, take a listen to "Disintegration" (the song) for real drumming

that was an awesome one. And yeah, Cylob, I think you got a bad brew or something.

[Cylob]

I'm not saying Bloodflowers is up to Disintegration standards (did I say that)????? If I did, I deserve a good kicking.

All in all, I think Bloodflowers is good for a band 20+ years old. The percussion fits the style. It's not a great album by any standards, but good enough.

[ShyShy]

Hmm, you've seem to mellow about Bloodflowers over the last couple of pages.

And Wish was a decent album. Haven't listened to it in awhile though. I'll have to hit my brother's collection

[Twilightseer]

I clearly remember the first time I listened to Bloodflowers, I was lying on my bed and song after song, I thought " They've completely lost it". I hated the album, then it grew on me thanks to some excellent songs 'Watching Me Fall, Last Day Of Summer, The Loudest Sound' but I've always considered it as second-class Cure.
I really wish they released another record as important as Faith or Disintegation, but I don't think it's gonna happen, which is sad.

[ShyShy]

Hey 'seer! Any more noise on the box set yet?

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by ShyShy
Hey 'seer! Any more noise on the box set yet?

It's been officially pushed back to January 2004, which, in Cure terms, means we'll probably get our hands on it in November 2008
As to the new album, recording is supposed to start soon (has been for two years now ), with Ross Robinson as producer and (sadly), Cooper still on drums.

[ShyShy]

Jesus freakin' christ (sorry about that). Can they quit with the mass teasing already?

[Twilightseer]

About the teasing thing : it's always been a component of the Cure and clearly not my fave. Rumours about the B-side boxset started around 97/98, rumours about Robert's solo album started in 1984, the end of the band was announced in 1982, 1987, 1989,2000 and so on...

[orac]

I think for a band thats been around for 25 years (dont know exact time.. Twilightseer - do you?) Bloodflowers is a very good album.. many long time bands cannot do this.. I can think of 2 that can.. New Order and U2..

I watched some of the Bloodflowers set on the Cure Trilogy DVD and it has some very good songs on it...

[Twilightseer]

To answer your question orac, The Cure has officially been in existence since 1976, releasing their first single in 1978 so that indeed makes 25 years.

Also, I don't say Bloodflowers is bad, it's just that it's not great when it had the potential to be, it was disappointing by the band's standards which still makes it superior to much of the stuff we can hear anyway

[orac]

but after wild mood swings who would of thought the cure would be able to do something as good as bloodflowers?

[ShyShy]

http://www.blankandjones.de/aforest/...e_e_video.html

Here's a clip of the Blan & Jones w/ Robert video for A Forest, WARNING: it's on Real Player.

Ohhhh, Cylob, I saw that Cure is going to do a benefit concert in London on December 11 for something or the other. Let us know about any reviews, ok?

[Cylob]

Check out nme.com/reviews on 12 December ShyShy. Their ferret will be at the gig (at the bar until the last possible minute).

Cheers for the Forest link dude.

[ShyShy]

You're welcome, Cylob, I'm just surprised no one else has linked before. And I will definitly check out that review

[Twilightseer]

As usual, bumping the thread for news.

First, it seems that Blank & Jones have decided to use up their "A Forest" remixes thing since they are releasing yet another CD with remixes and various other tracks for a special edition of the single. I'm ranting because I'm a tad fed up with always hearing the same songs remixed but well, Blank and Jones are good at that

Apart from that, "Believe", the song whose lyrics Robert wrote and sang for the next Earl Slick album will be the first single off said album and should be released in January 2004.

12 January 2004 is also the new tentative date for the release of the B-sides collection "Join the dots" (which I'm sure will be postponed to 2007 in the next news bulletin ).

In short, not much happening. And in fact, I find myself less and less interested in what the band does. Considering the awful line-up is not about to change, and that I find other acts to be very interesting at the moment, my taste for Cure music is sort of going down.

Stay tuned anyway, who knows, Cooper may still be fired and then...

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Stay tuned anyway, who knows, Cooper may still be fired and then...

Give it up 'seer - Cooper's here to stay! Him and Smith are best buddies.

Their MTV Unplugged set wasn't bad, I have it in my download queue.

[Twilightseer]

Are you talking about the 1991 performance ? Yes, it's absolutely awesome, way better than anything on 'Acoustic hits'.

[Cylob]

Yeah, the 1991 set. I just searched for 'MTV Unplugged' and ended up with a disc full. The Duran Duran and Bjork sets are good as well.

[Cylob]

Dare I say it, the R.E.M. set was pretty good. They were a good band pre - 'Automatic for the People'.

[Twilightseer]

Here's this concert's setlist for anyone interested .

• Lullaby
• Just Like Heaven
• Let's Go To Bed
• If Only Tonight We Could Sleep
• The Caterpillar
• In Your House
• The Walk
• A Letter To Elise
• The Blood
• Time Has Told Me ( Cover of the Nick Drake Song)
• M
• Boys Don't Cry

[Cylob]

That was quick! I find 'The Walk' almost comical, but back then they could do anything and get away with it.

[ShyShy]

Ker Bump!!!

My brother just bought the DVD collection. He watched it this past week, said it took him two days to do so. Soooo.... I'll be snagging it tomorrow, and start watching it myself

[Twilightseer]

The B-sides compilation is announced for January 13th, it's a 4-cd set indeed called "Join The Dots". Here is the track list.

THE BOXSET - 500+ MINUTES WORTH - CONTAINS...
THE CURE - JOIN THE DOTS - B-SIDES AND RARITIES 1979-2001 - THE FICTION YEARS

CD1 (1979 - 1987)
01. 10:15 SATURDAY NIGHT
02. PLASTIC PASSION
03. PILLBOX TALES
04. DO THE HANSA
05. I'M COLD
06. ANOTHER JOURNEY BY TRAIN
07. DESCENT
08. SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD
09. LAMENT (flexipop version)
10. JUST ONE KISS
11. THE DREAM
12. THE UPSTAIRS ROOM
13. LAMENT
14. SPEAK MY LANGUAGE
15. MR PINK EYES
16. HAPPY THE MAN
17. THROW YOUR FOOT
18. NEW DAY
19. THE EXPLODING BOY
20. A FEW HOURS AFTER THIS...
21. A MAN INSIDE MY MOUTH
22. STOP DEAD

CD2 (1987 - 1992)
01. A JAPANESE DREAM
02. BREATHE
03. A CHAIN OF FLOWERS
04. SNOW IN SUMMER
05. SUGAR GIRL
06. ICING SUGAR (weird remix)
07. HEY YOU!!! (kevorkian 12" remix)
08. HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE (clearmountain 7" remix)
09. TO THE SKY
10. BABBLE
11. OUT OF MIND
12. 2 LATE
13. FEAR OF GHOSTS
14. HELLO I LOVE YOU (psychedelic version)
15. HELLO I LOVE YOU
16. HELLO I LOVE YOU (10sec version)
17. HAROLD AND JOE
18. JUST LIKE HEAVEN ('chuck' remix)

CD3 (1992 - 1996)
01. THIS TWILIGHT GARDEN
02. PLAY
03. HALO
04. SCARED AS YOU
05. THE BIG HAND
06. A FOOLISH ARRANGEMENT
07. DOING THE UNSTUCK (saunders 12" remix)
08. PURPLE HAZE (virgin radio version)
09. PURPLE HAZE
10. BURN
11. YOUNG AMERICANS
12. DREDD SONG
13. IT USED TO BE ME
14. OCEAN
15. ADONAIS

CD4 (1996 - 2001)
01. HOME
02. WAITING
03. A PINK DREAM
04. THIS IS A LIE (palmer remix)
05. WRONG NUMBER (smith remix)
06. MORE THAN THIS
07. WORLD IN MY EYES
08. POSSESSION
09. OUT OF THIS WORLD (oakenfold remix)
10. MAYBE SOMEDAY (hedges remix)
11. COMING UP
12. SIGNAL TO NOISE (acoustic version)
13. SIGNAL TO NOISE
14. JUST SAY YES(curve remix)
15. A FOREST (plati/slick version)


One new song (Possession), lots of most excellent songs, stuff missing and some crappy remixes no one wants to hear.
Everything normal