Civilization II, III, TOT, SMAC

Cylob · 27th June 2003, 08:58

Couldn't locate a CIV thread, so I thought I'd do the necessary (games section without CIV)?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

Merlin · 28th June 2003, 18:06

"Sneak attack by Japanese forces!"

Bastards. How dare you violate our peace treaty and attack my poorly defended yet valuable remote outpost that's within easy reach of your capital? I was about to do that to you.

"Treacherous Romans!..."
Treacherous? I avoided war with your enemy and you're calling me treacherous?

What I'm trying to say is, the AI in Civ2 could have used a little more forethought. Then the enemy might not have sent wave after wave of inferior troops to attack my well-defended border cities at the Suez canal. Etc.

Alpha Centauri could have used a few more tribes to choose from, and done without the silly special attributes thinger - i.e., made the enemy tribes random. Having every tribe do the same thing every time made it less fun. Besides that, there was only one good tribe, the morganites. Everyone else was pathetic or had terrible manifestos, especially the peacekeepers. And what was with the University's remarkably phallic cities?
I used to employ huge teams of formers to clear land and sea fungus. Was it that there was less chance of the mind worms appearing if you did that? There must have been a reason...

Cylob · 28th June 2003, 18:35

I love a nice predictable AI. Let them send waves of inferior troops right into my most heavilly defended regions - there's a feel-good factor in sending 10's of stealth fighters to attack 3 dragoons and a musketeer.

For me, the thing that ruined Civ2 was the end-game (or lack of it). Having built-up 200 howitzers it was rather easy sweeping all!

My strategy:
Build cities as quickly as possible (up to 65 or so). Lay down roads, irrigation (each city producing 2 setters for this purpose). Improvements built in the following order: Granary, temple, marketplace, etc etc, every city to build 3 caravans (or freight) as soon as it's marketplace is built. Stay out of trouble until 200 howitzers are amassed (and glinting in the sunlight). As for the ocean, have battleships and aegis cruisers occupy the same squares at all times. Carriers are really for prestige.

Wonders:
Great Library, Magellans Expedition, Michaelangelos Chapel, Leonardo's Workshop, UN (change to Communism).

Haven't played CIV for a year, but I'll always be shit-hot. I like SMAC alot too, but the changing sea-levels and fungus are a constant irritance.

Great how you can dload these games from Kazaa!!! I did it just to be able to play them without the discs.

Merlin · 29th June 2003, 19:21

I do pretty much exactly that, but sometimes edit the rules.txt file to stop the library and Leonardo's workshop from ever expiring.

Cylob · 30th June 2003, 17:17

You cheater you!!! Is there no sanctity??????

Merlin · 2nd July 2003, 16:13

Well you know how it is. You built the Great Wall, and you're happily defending the Roman empire against relentless suicide attacks by the French, when some Egyptian clown decides to discover metallurgy, so all your cities are suddenly without walls and in march the French. So you edit rules.txt so that nothing causes the Wall to expire.

Magic_Midget · 2nd July 2003, 16:19

Does it work for Civ3?

I loved Civ2 cuz i could cheat but on the new one they deactivated them. Nothing like having built 50 nukes and obliterating each and every town, by doing so, u also caused the ozone layer to collapse and make the world a complete wasteland and then u blast off in ur uber cool spaceship.

Cylob · 2nd July 2003, 17:48

LOL!!!! I used to play TOT with a mate on hotseat. I made sure there was plenty of global warming. 'The global swamp'.

Sorry about your farmland, dude.

dylman · 2nd July 2003, 20:28

I've edited Civ3 so that the pathetic Germans have been replaced by the mighty Welsh. My Welsh Panzer divisions have destroyed England twice in the last week alone...

Never played Civ or CivII, I got the bug late on.

Cylob · 2nd July 2003, 21:13

Welsh Panzer Divisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh the pain!!!!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all year!!!

dylman · 2nd July 2003, 22:27

You wouldn't laugh if you were on the receiving end.

Cylob · 3rd July 2003, 05:54

I would....... A brigade of Welsh Panzers are spotted in the valley. The English troops fall over themselves laughing. The panzers advance, this brings on more laughter. Everyone's doubled-over. Finally, the panzers fire and kill the troops who descend up to heaven - still laughing like fuck!!!!! One GI who escaped had to be committed to an asylum, he never could stop laughing.

Merlin · 3rd July 2003, 15:10

Arcane: Don't know if it works for Civ3, haven't got the game. Check the Civ3 folder for a file called rules.txt, if it exists just open it, the instructions are all there.

The Welsh? putting up a fight?

Cylob · 3rd July 2003, 15:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Merlin
The Welsh? putting up a fight?

I've been laughing for 19 hours. Will it break into a 20th???

mikm · 8th July 2003, 19:41

One way I found to use the Cheat menu was to make the changes and save it as a scenario. Then, there is no cheating penalty

(I also modified rules.txt alot to suit my needs)

One thing I saw the egyptians do a lot was nuke a city then ask for a peace treaty. I said no, but my damn Congress voted me down.

Another tactic I used was the turn before the end of the gain, I would put my luxury taxes to 100% to boost my score.

Sometimes, to have some fun, I made tons of Barbarian nukes near enemy cities.

A bug I found was a way to get unlimited range for air units-
When an air unit has one move left, press w so you can let all your other units move. Once you are back to that unit, press ctrl+alt+n to end the turn. The plane won't crash! (at least in my version- Gold Multiplayer Edition)

Cylob · 8th July 2003, 20:39

I despise cheating!!!!!! I need to know I've kicked the AI's ass fair and square. Just so I can sleep at night.

I tell you what's really sad, when you go to bed at 2.00am and all you can see when you close your eyes is the Civ map. Instead of the usual hot chicks, you think about launching a surpirse attack on the Celts?!?!?!?

I'd still like to play against Hitler & Stalin.

Merlin · 8th July 2003, 21:10

True that. I don't save a game if I've cheated on it. Hell, if I did that, I couldn't have 100%'ed Vice City. I don't use Civ2's cheat menu, there's no point in it.

There's a file you can edit to change the names of the other civ leaders (and the civ names, etc.) to whatever you want; Hitler, Pol Pot, Thatcher... fill the world with evil dictators!

Cylob · 8th July 2003, 21:13

Thatcher!!!!!!!!!
HE HE HE!!!

'There's no such thing as society'.

mikm · 9th July 2003, 04:41

Oh...I forgot about SMAC. I have the expansion too, although it was hard to find (off Ebay). It has a bunch of new tribes, and allows a random selection mode. It also has a faction editor. While you can edit the factions without it, it makes it a lot easier and safegaurds against crashes. Heh...I edited the university so it had uber-technology and envirornment powers. Then I smashed all the other civs. One thing that is kind of annyoing with the expansion is that the Hunter-Seeker algorithim can be bypassed, which exploits the Universities horrible espionage capabilities.

Mr_007 · 24th July 2003, 17:20

Like this games!

Cylob · 24th July 2003, 20:57

I presume you play the Persians (as I play the English)??

27th June 2003, 08:58	#1
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	Civilization II, III, TOT, SMAC Couldn't locate a CIV thread, so I thought I'd do the necessary (games section without CIV)?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

28th June 2003, 18:06	#2
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	"Sneak attack by Japanese forces!" Bastards. How dare you violate our peace treaty and attack my poorly defended yet valuable remote outpost that's within easy reach of your capital? I was about to do that to you. "Treacherous Romans!..." Treacherous? I avoided war with your enemy and you're calling me treacherous? What I'm trying to say is, the AI in Civ2 could have used a little more forethought. Then the enemy might not have sent wave after wave of inferior troops to attack my well-defended border cities at the Suez canal. Etc. Alpha Centauri could have used a few more tribes to choose from, and done without the silly special attributes thinger - i.e., made the enemy tribes random. Having every tribe do the same thing every time made it less fun. Besides that, there was only one good tribe, the morganites. Everyone else was pathetic or had terrible manifestos, especially the peacekeepers. And what was with the University's remarkably phallic cities? I used to employ huge teams of formers to clear land and sea fungus. Was it that there was less chance of the mind worms appearing if you did that? There must have been a reason... as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

28th June 2003, 18:35	#3
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I love a nice predictable AI. Let them send waves of inferior troops right into my most heavilly defended regions - there's a feel-good factor in sending 10's of stealth fighters to attack 3 dragoons and a musketeer. For me, the thing that ruined Civ2 was the end-game (or lack of it). Having built-up 200 howitzers it was rather easy sweeping all! My strategy: Build cities as quickly as possible (up to 65 or so). Lay down roads, irrigation (each city producing 2 setters for this purpose). Improvements built in the following order: Granary, temple, marketplace, etc etc, every city to build 3 caravans (or freight) as soon as it's marketplace is built. Stay out of trouble until 200 howitzers are amassed (and glinting in the sunlight). As for the ocean, have battleships and aegis cruisers occupy the same squares at all times. Carriers are really for prestige. Wonders: Great Library, Magellans Expedition, Michaelangelos Chapel, Leonardo's Workshop, UN (change to Communism). Haven't played CIV for a year, but I'll always be shit-hot. I like SMAC alot too, but the changing sea-levels and fungus are a constant irritance. Great how you can dload these games from Kazaa!!! I did it just to be able to play them without the discs. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

29th June 2003, 19:21	#4
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	I do pretty much exactly that, but sometimes edit the rules.txt file to stop the library and Leonardo's workshop from ever expiring. as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

30th June 2003, 17:17	#5
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	You cheater you!!! Is there no sanctity?????? Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

2nd July 2003, 16:13	#6
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	Well you know how it is. You built the Great Wall, and you're happily defending the Roman empire against relentless suicide attacks by the French, when some Egyptian clown decides to discover metallurgy, so all your cities are suddenly without walls and in march the French. So you edit rules.txt so that nothing causes the Wall to expire. as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

2nd July 2003, 16:19	#7
Magic_Midget Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Back in TX finally Posts: 1,416	Does it work for Civ3? I loved Civ2 cuz i could cheat but on the new one they deactivated them. Nothing like having built 50 nukes and obliterating each and every town, by doing so, u also caused the ozone layer to collapse and make the world a complete wasteland and then u blast off in ur uber cool spaceship. Like Poetry and art? Visit my DeviantArt Site: www.lilithlairpoetry.deviantart.com

2nd July 2003, 17:48	#8
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	LOL!!!! I used to play TOT with a mate on hotseat. I made sure there was plenty of global warming. 'The global swamp'. Sorry about your farmland, dude. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

2nd July 2003, 20:28	#9
dylman Forum King Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hawarden Posts: 2,115	I've edited Civ3 so that the pathetic Germans have been replaced by the mighty Welsh. My Welsh Panzer divisions have destroyed England twice in the last week alone... Never played Civ or CivII, I got the bug late on. There's no need to tell me when I'm right; I operate on that principle exclusively and with absolute certainty

2nd July 2003, 21:13	#10
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	Welsh Panzer Divisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh the pain!!!!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all year!!! Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

2nd July 2003, 22:27	#11
dylman Forum King Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hawarden Posts: 2,115	You wouldn't laugh if you were on the receiving end. There's no need to tell me when I'm right; I operate on that principle exclusively and with absolute certainty

3rd July 2003, 05:54	#12
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I would....... A brigade of Welsh Panzers are spotted in the valley. The English troops fall over themselves laughing. The panzers advance, this brings on more laughter. Everyone's doubled-over. Finally, the panzers fire and kill the troops who descend up to heaven - still laughing like fuck!!!!! One GI who escaped had to be committed to an asylum, he never could stop laughing. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

3rd July 2003, 15:10	#13
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	Arcane: Don't know if it works for Civ3, haven't got the game. Check the Civ3 folder for a file called rules.txt, if it exists just open it, the instructions are all there. The Welsh? putting up a fight? as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

8th July 2003, 19:41	#15
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: 2001:4978:20f::/48 Posts: 1,244	One way I found to use the Cheat menu was to make the changes and save it as a scenario. Then, there is no cheating penalty (I also modified rules.txt alot to suit my needs) One thing I saw the egyptians do a lot was nuke a city then ask for a peace treaty. I said no, but my damn Congress voted me down. Another tactic I used was the turn before the end of the gain, I would put my luxury taxes to 100% to boost my score. Sometimes, to have some fun, I made tons of Barbarian nukes near enemy cities. A bug I found was a way to get unlimited range for air units- When an air unit has one move left, press w so you can let all your other units move. Once you are back to that unit, press ctrl+alt+n to end the turn. The plane won't crash! (at least in my version- Gold Multiplayer Edition) powered by Câ‚‚Hâ‚…OH \| eff \| aclu

8th July 2003, 20:39	#16
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I despise cheating!!!!!! I need to know I've kicked the AI's ass fair and square. Just so I can sleep at night. I tell you what's really sad, when you go to bed at 2.00am and all you can see when you close your eyes is the Civ map. Instead of the usual hot chicks, you think about launching a surpirse attack on the Celts?!?!?!? I'd still like to play against Hitler & Stalin. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

8th July 2003, 21:10	#17
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	True that. I don't save a game if I've cheated on it. Hell, if I did that, I couldn't have 100%'ed Vice City. I don't use Civ2's cheat menu, there's no point in it. There's a file you can edit to change the names of the other civ leaders (and the civ names, etc.) to whatever you want; Hitler, Pol Pot, Thatcher... fill the world with evil dictators! as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

8th July 2003, 21:13	#18
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	Thatcher!!!!!!!!! HE HE HE!!! 'There's no such thing as society'. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

9th July 2003, 04:41	#19
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: 2001:4978:20f::/48 Posts: 1,244	Oh...I forgot about SMAC. I have the expansion too, although it was hard to find (off Ebay). It has a bunch of new tribes, and allows a random selection mode. It also has a faction editor. While you can edit the factions without it, it makes it a lot easier and safegaurds against crashes. Heh...I edited the university so it had uber-technology and envirornment powers. Then I smashed all the other civs. One thing that is kind of annyoing with the expansion is that the Hunter-Seeker algorithim can be bypassed, which exploits the Universities horrible espionage capabilities. powered by Câ‚‚Hâ‚…OH \| eff \| aclu

24th July 2003, 17:20	#20
Mr_007 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,838	Like this games!

24th July 2003, 20:57	#21
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I presume you play the Persians (as I play the English)?? Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

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