Converting AVS to Milkdrop

ryan · 24th July 2003, 17:35

With the new MD beta we have, we can make custom waves. I decided to go back and convert my "Why does avs keep changing" preset over to milkdrop, or atleast the scope. I'm having some trouble and I though you guys might know.

Since MD dosen't use D & R I have to convert them, but I don't know how.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....67#post1030067

I posted it in the MD forums if anyone wants to help.

mikm · 24th July 2003, 18:32

Cartesian to polar conversions:

d=sqrt(sqr(x)+sqr(y));
r=atan2(x,y);

x=cos(r)*d;
y=sin(r)*d;

dirkdeftly · 25th July 2003, 01:15

not quite m2k, but close. the actual conversion (in a *perfectly* square window) is:
d=sqrt(sqr(x)+sqr(y))/sqrt(2);
r=atan2(x,-y);
x=sin(r)*d;
y=-cos(r)*d;

i KNOW that's not the way it's supposed to work, but since when did anything else in avs work correctly anyhow...

UnConeD · 25th July 2003, 18:50

Heh how long until the first 3D SSC in Milkdrop?

ryan · 25th July 2003, 20:25

How soon is now?

dirkdeftly · 25th July 2003, 20:47

I think a better question is, how long until milkdrop starts looking good and stops sucking avs's fat and aestheticly pleasing cock?

ryan · 25th July 2003, 22:51

(erm..removed..)

UnConeD · 25th July 2003, 23:30

Now that Milkdrop has custom waves, are there any plans for taking Milkdrop preset customization to the same level as AVS?

I have to admit I haven't tried the latest version (geisswerks only has 1.03), but I assume Milkdrop is still stuck in the same Movement + Drawing + Color Adjustments loop, rather than providing freeform stacking...

Oh Atero, I have this lovely image for you:

Rovastar · 26th July 2003, 10:13

Well at this stage MilkDrop still has similiar setup as before. It is not at the level of customization of AVS but with 3d ssc's and other things there is more posibilities and it is more like AVS.

Anyways here si the latest beta for all those interested. Didn't want to spam but there appears to be some interest ANd maybe oneday we will see the equivalant AVS features in a 3d enviornment like MilkDrop. At least one of Nullsofts visualizations is still being worked on.

v1.04beta4b - http://www.geisswerks.com/t/milkdrop...e_surprise.zip

There are examples of ssc's etc from the forums.

Raz · 26th July 2003, 11:12

Yay, milkdrop is becoming more like AVS. Or you could just use AVS.

Rovastar · 26th July 2003, 12:07

*sigh* not going to enter some flaming battle. WE all know the problems/limitations with the various visualizations that Nullsoft make.

It has been discusssed many time before about the lack of 3d H/w support of AVS and how the best thing for it would be to start from the ground up to make a new version which uses these features.

Thankfully the engine for MIlkDrop has been updated to DX8 too so it is a load faster too.

Anyway as a lover of all visualiations I am just glad Nullsoft are at least updating one of there vvises.

ryan · 26th July 2003, 13:59

*idiot decides not to crack jokes about rovastar and being a lover

Zevensoft · 27th July 2003, 10:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Raz
Yay, milkdrop is becoming more like AVS. Or you could just use AVS.

Eeeeeey

Jaheckelsafar · 27th July 2003, 13:59

Me can't see no text in new MD.

sidd · 27th July 2003, 16:53

Quote:

Eeeeeey

zev, are you being fonzey again?

Phaze1987 · 27th July 2003, 20:11

AVS pwnz MD.period.period.period.

ryan · 28th July 2003, 09:33

Who cares which is better?

.....

exactly

dirkdeftly · 29th July 2003, 00:12

Well obviously not Milkdroppers

ryan · 31st July 2003, 08:25

[12:28] * idiot kills Atero

anubis2003 · 31st July 2003, 11:20

Kinda offtopic, but this thread is going nowhere and it's about both of the main Winamp visualizations, and I didn't want to get yelled at for crossposting:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=144218

Ryan Geiss is being laid off. AOL seems to be royally fucking up winamp in every way that they can. It seems as though nobody cares about any of the visualizations any more.

dirkdeftly · 31st July 2003, 18:39

hey, i have an idea

lets make OMFGWEHATEAOLTHOSEBASTARDSAmp! and we could have WTFAVSSOMUCHOWNEDMILKDROPWHENWINAMPWASCOOL...VS!

...or something like that...

i'm half serious, it's time we gave aol the finger and moved on to better things. i'm convinced winamp5 is going to be only slightly less of the pos that 3 was, and we've got several more than capable cpp programmers (/me looks at jheriko, pak-9, unconed, etc.), and a knowledge of what *we* want in the vis/player...

or maybe i'm just babbling and dragging this thread off topic.

anubis2003 · 31st July 2003, 19:02

It depends what you consider the topic is.

The original topic kinda faded away into AVS vs Milkdrop, so I changed it. AOL does suck ass though.

ryan · 31st July 2003, 21:38

Krash also does coding and stuff

Illusion · 1st August 2003, 07:00

Has anyone who wants to develop a plugin considered using Ryan's visualisation SDK framework? That would have to give someone a decent start surely, provided they had decent knowledge in that area...

24th July 2003, 17:35	#1
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	Converting AVS to Milkdrop With the new MD beta we have, we can make custom waves. I decided to go back and convert my "Why does avs keep changing" preset over to milkdrop, or atleast the scope. I'm having some trouble and I though you guys might know. Since MD dosen't use D & R I have to convert them, but I don't know how. http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....67#post1030067 I posted it in the MD forums if anyone wants to help.

24th July 2003, 18:32	#2
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: 2001:4978:20f::/48 Posts: 1,244	Cartesian to polar conversions: d=sqrt(sqr(x)+sqr(y)); r=atan2(x,y); x=cos(r)d; y=sin(r)d; powered by Câ‚‚Hâ‚…OH \| eff \| aclu

25th July 2003, 01:15	#3
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	not quite m2k, but close. the actual conversion (in a perfectly square window) is: d=sqrt(sqr(x)+sqr(y))/sqrt(2); r=atan2(x,-y); x=sin(r)d; y=-cos(r)d; i KNOW that's not the way it's supposed to work, but since when did anything else in avs work correctly anyhow... "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

25th July 2003, 20:47	#6
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	I think a better question is, how long until milkdrop starts looking good and stops sucking avs's fat and aestheticly pleasing cock? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

26th July 2003, 10:13	#9
Rovastar Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,612	Well at this stage MilkDrop still has similiar setup as before. It is not at the level of customization of AVS but with 3d ssc's and other things there is more posibilities and it is more like AVS. Anyways here si the latest beta for all those interested. Didn't want to spam but there appears to be some interest ANd maybe oneday we will see the equivalant AVS features in a 3d enviornment like MilkDrop. At least one of Nullsofts visualizations is still being worked on. v1.04beta4b - http://www.geisswerks.com/t/milkdrop...e_surprise.zip There are examples of ssc's etc from the forums. "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - MilkDrop www.milkdrop.co.uk New Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com

25th July 2003, 18:50	#4
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Heh how long until the first 3D SSC in Milkdrop?

25th July 2003, 20:25	#5
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	How soon is now?

25th July 2003, 22:51	#7
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	(erm..removed..)

25th July 2003, 23:30	#8
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Now that Milkdrop has custom waves, are there any plans for taking Milkdrop preset customization to the same level as AVS? I have to admit I haven't tried the latest version (geisswerks only has 1.03), but I assume Milkdrop is still stuck in the same Movement + Drawing + Color Adjustments loop, rather than providing freeform stacking... Oh Atero, I have this lovely image for you:

26th July 2003, 11:12	#10
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Yay, milkdrop is becoming more like AVS. Or you could just use AVS.

26th July 2003, 12:07	#11
Rovastar Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,612	sigh not going to enter some flaming battle. WE all know the problems/limitations with the various visualizations that Nullsoft make. It has been discusssed many time before about the lack of 3d H/w support of AVS and how the best thing for it would be to start from the ground up to make a new version which uses these features. Thankfully the engine for MIlkDrop has been updated to DX8 too so it is a load faster too. Anyway as a lover of all visualiations I am just glad Nullsoft are at least updating one of there vvises. "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - MilkDrop www.milkdrop.co.uk New Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com

26th July 2003, 13:59	#12
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	*idiot decides not to crack jokes about rovastar and being a lover

27th July 2003, 13:59	#14
Jaheckelsafar Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: home Posts: 1,318	Me can't see no text in new MD. Stoke me a clipper. I'll be back for Christmas. - Arnold Rimmer Red Dwarf

27th July 2003, 20:11	#16
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	AVS pwnz MD.period.period.period. \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

28th July 2003, 09:33	#17
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	Who cares which is better? ..... exactly

29th July 2003, 00:12	#18
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	Well obviously not Milkdroppers "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

31st July 2003, 08:25	#19
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	[12:28] * idiot kills Atero

31st July 2003, 11:20	#20
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Kinda offtopic, but this thread is going nowhere and it's about both of the main Winamp visualizations, and I didn't want to get yelled at for crossposting: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=144218 Ryan Geiss is being laid off. AOL seems to be royally fucking up winamp in every way that they can. It seems as though nobody cares about any of the visualizations any more. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

31st July 2003, 18:39	#21
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	hey, i have an idea lets make OMFGWEHATEAOLTHOSEBASTARDSAmp! and we could have WTFAVSSOMUCHOWNEDMILKDROPWHENWINAMPWASCOOL...VS! ...or something like that... i'm half serious, it's time we gave aol the finger and moved on to better things. i'm convinced winamp5 is going to be only slightly less of the pos that 3 was, and we've got several more than capable cpp programmers (/me looks at jheriko, pak-9, unconed, etc.), and a knowledge of what we want in the vis/player... or maybe i'm just babbling and dragging this thread off topic. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

31st July 2003, 19:02	#22
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	It depends what you consider the topic is. The original topic kinda faded away into AVS vs Milkdrop, so I changed it. AOL does suck ass though. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

31st July 2003, 21:38	#23
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,755	Krash also does coding and stuff

1st August 2003, 07:00	#24
Illusion Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 689	Has anyone who wants to develop a plugin considered using Ryan's visualisation SDK framework? That would have to give someone a decent start surely, provided they had decent knowledge in that area...

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