Hack the stuff?

Magic.X · 13th August 2003, 05:27

As Rova and the others said: AVS is unlikely to be continued.

But if Nullsoft does'nt maybe we could. I don't know yet how exactly but maybe there is a way to reverse engineer the avs.dll and add own code.

M2K has already some experience in resource hacking and i got pretty for in manipulating the editor.

All we need within avs are more supported interfaces where ape's can link onto buffers etc.

If anyone has some experience with hacking programms then please share your knowledge.

Thank you

[Ishan] · 13th August 2003, 10:07

nope. i dont have any experience in it.

and i doubt anyone has that good of hacking knowledge(excuse me if i am wrong)

Yathosho · 13th August 2003, 12:21

fuck avs

[Ishan] · 13th August 2003, 15:28

huh!!??!!

Deamon · 13th August 2003, 16:35

No expierence, sorry.

anubis2003 · 13th August 2003, 16:45

I wouldn't really be able to do it. The most I've ever done with a hexeditor was with nintendo roms(max life, sweet items, etc).

Yathosho · 13th August 2003, 20:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Ishan_Rocky
huh!!??!!

face it, it is discontinued. let's don't start digging it out before it has been burried. i think we should focus on the fact, that we need to look out for something new. on long distance it's the better thing to do (the sooner, the better!).

let's see what this dilate project becomes, it could still be backward compatible to avs.

S-uper_T-oast · 14th August 2003, 02:53

No matter how much I'd love to see a new AVS version, I think dilate probably is our only option left, Winamp *cough*aol*cough* would probably be much happier to finaly get our constantly bitching selves off their fourms. It's a sad reality.

anubis2003 · 14th August 2003, 03:04

When is the dilate project expected to be completed? This is the first I've heard of it.

dirkdeftly · 14th August 2003, 04:42

Umm...Jan...to make it backward compatible, we need to have the source code to AVS.

Duh.

shreyas_potnis · 14th August 2003, 08:20

Maybe if the release a debug version or something...Or can someone request to give the code atleast...

Magic.X · 14th August 2003, 08:32

I doubt they would give it away. And IF, then we'll have to BUY it for sure. Should be about 15000 Bucks or more.

Zevensoft · 14th August 2003, 09:35

Not really atero, we'd just need the AVS file structure (which we have) and would need to emulate files with the AVS header. We could even use the same format, and use a different header to specify that it's a dilate-compatible file. Hell, we could set it up to have hybrid files even!

[Ishan] · 14th August 2003, 16:05

would that mean we will stop using AVS? then make Dilate presets?will it be as good as it is expected?and will it have things like DM's and SSC's?

Magic.X · 14th August 2003, 16:37

and will it be open source?

dirkdeftly · 15th August 2003, 01:11

of course it will be. why do you think it's on sourceforge?
i do feel kind of edgy about this tho. it means that all of the 1337 coders will not be so 1337 anymore

zeven: how do you propose that we emulate the effects then? it's not like we know precisely how they work. guestimating it wouldn't be a good idea imo...

anubis2003 · 15th August 2003, 01:50

Many of the AVS effects have already been reproduced in other ways, and most of the rest are just simple effects(blur, etc.).

[Ishan] · 15th August 2003, 07:25

dont know about you all, but i have doubts on this...

shreyas_potnis · 15th August 2003, 13:06

Colorfade IMO is the most misunderstood/not understood/confusing APE

anubis2003 · 15th August 2003, 14:07

Yeah. Colorfade is weird.

dirkdeftly · 15th August 2003, 20:19

grr. i posted a clear explanation of it somewhere on the forums from avs primer pt I a while ago...too lazy to post it again.

Zevensoft · 16th August 2003, 02:02

Well atero, we could always hack the avs dll so that we can call functions from it directly.

Magic.X · 18th August 2003, 06:58

Which was the original purpose of this thread

shreyas_potnis · 18th August 2003, 08:21

Using Resource Hacker, dialogues and stuff can be modified easily, but can we get the original code?

Tuggummi · 25th August 2003, 12:23

Im sick of avs anyway. I think Extra dimension will be my last pack. Dilate sounds like the future, but i just hope that it doesn't die like any other projects to replace avs...

And as for the avs support.... fuck it, i doubt dilate needs avs if it's going to be better than avs

Magic.X · 25th August 2003, 13:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuggummi
Im sick of avs anyway. I think Extra dimension will be my last pack.

Sounds like another retirement...

Deamon · 25th August 2003, 14:48

Yep, that sucks hard. Don't you dare to quit AVS Tug! I'd kill you for it if I knew where you lived.

skupers · 25th August 2003, 15:29

I don't think I'll ever officialy retire, that way I can always return, without looking stupid. I'll probably end up making maybe a few remixes for other people's packs.

And I also think you guys underestimate the amount of new options the new ape's like colormap and convolution filter have brought. I even dare to say that those two ape's have extended avs' life by a few years.

anubis2003 · 25th August 2003, 16:11

yeah, they are two awesome APEs. Now we just need someone to make some kickass CHIMPs for AVS.

Tuggummi · 26th August 2003, 04:58

Quote:

Now we just need someone to make some kickass CHIMPs for AVS.

Lol

Retirment? Who said anything about that? I dunno, maybe it's just a phase im going trough

Besides it's not that big of a deal if a avser quits, im not gonna go posting a mega-leaving-bye-bye-all message when i do quit. It's just gonna be over, like it or not :/

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Im just sick of avs, i want something new and improved...
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[edit2]
For the original post: Yeah, hack the stuff! HACK IT!

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sidd · 26th August 2003, 06:27

you make me sad..
i guess it is time to face the facts but.

shreyas_potnis · 26th August 2003, 08:26

so Zave, how can we call functions from AVS directly?
I once tried to open AVS in debug mode in Microsoft Visual C++, but as it is not a debug version, I couldnt do it.

UnConeD · 26th August 2003, 15:30

shreyas: you can run it in debug mode perfectly... you just won't get any C/C++ code out of it

.

That's how I went in to analyse the script parser and such. You can recognize it by a couple of "call ecx" calls (which are obviously dynamic functions, hence scripted).

Magic.X · 27th August 2003, 05:46

Yeah, all you get out is assembler code.

Zevensoft · 27th August 2003, 10:42

Yeah, and you can put assembler into C++, so what's your point?

Magic.X · 27th August 2003, 10:57

Obviously the super high difficulty to understand the assembler code and modify it.

[Ishan] · 27th August 2003, 16:35

sshhhh.....quiet you guys...you dont want nullsoft hearing this

Zevensoft · 29th August 2003, 07:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Magic.X
Obviously the super high difficulty to understand the assembler code and modify it.

Pfft, it's easy to modify and understand. Go muck around with a 6510A.

Magic.X · 29th August 2003, 08:09

Not sure, but do you mean this?

And as far as assembler stuff goes, its quite difficult to do this if you NEVER worked with asembler. (like me for example)

shreyas_potnis · 29th August 2003, 09:06

So if you guys know how to do 'stuff' to the .dll, then why dont you do it?

13th August 2003, 05:27	#1
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Hack the stuff? As Rova and the others said: AVS is unlikely to be continued. But if Nullsoft does'nt maybe we could. I don't know yet how exactly but maybe there is a way to reverse engineer the avs.dll and add own code. M2K has already some experience in resource hacking and i got pretty for in manipulating the editor. All we need within avs are more supported interfaces where ape's can link onto buffers etc. If anyone has some experience with hacking programms then please share your knowledge. Thank you -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

13th August 2003, 10:07	#2
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	nope. i dont have any experience in it. and i doubt anyone has that good of hacking knowledge(excuse me if i am wrong) Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

13th August 2003, 12:21	#3
Yathosho Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: AT-DE Posts: 3,164	fuck avs Fossil 2002 III \| visboTVisbot \| NSIS Highlighter \| NSIS Twitter \| NSIS Graphics \| PimpBot \| How to setup AVS?

13th August 2003, 15:28	#4
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	huh!!??!! Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

13th August 2003, 16:35	#5
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	No expierence, sorry. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

13th August 2003, 16:45	#6
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	I wouldn't really be able to do it. The most I've ever done with a hexeditor was with nintendo roms(max life, sweet items, etc). [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

14th August 2003, 02:53	#8
S-uper_T-oast Forum King Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fnord?! Posts: 2,653	No matter how much I'd love to see a new AVS version, I think dilate probably is our only option left, Winamp coughaolcough would probably be much happier to finaly get our constantly bitching selves off their fourms. It's a sad reality.

14th August 2003, 03:04	#9
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	When is the dilate project expected to be completed? This is the first I've heard of it. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

14th August 2003, 04:42	#10
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	Umm...Jan...to make it backward compatible, we need to have the source code to AVS. Duh. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

14th August 2003, 08:20	#11
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	Maybe if the release a debug version or something...Or can someone request to give the code atleast... http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

14th August 2003, 08:32	#12
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	I doubt they would give it away. And IF, then we'll have to BUY it for sure. Should be about 15000 Bucks or more. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

14th August 2003, 09:35	#13
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	Not really atero, we'd just need the AVS file structure (which we have) and would need to emulate files with the AVS header. We could even use the same format, and use a different header to specify that it's a dilate-compatible file. Hell, we could set it up to have hybrid files even! 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

14th August 2003, 16:05	#14
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	would that mean we will stop using AVS? then make Dilate presets?will it be as good as it is expected?and will it have things like DM's and SSC's? Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

14th August 2003, 16:37	#15
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	and will it be open source? -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

15th August 2003, 01:11	#16
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	of course it will be. why do you think it's on sourceforge? i do feel kind of edgy about this tho. it means that all of the 1337 coders will not be so 1337 anymore zeven: how do you propose that we emulate the effects then? it's not like we know precisely how they work. guestimating it wouldn't be a good idea imo... "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

15th August 2003, 01:50	#17
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Many of the AVS effects have already been reproduced in other ways, and most of the rest are just simple effects(blur, etc.). [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

15th August 2003, 07:25	#18
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	dont know about you all, but i have doubts on this... Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

15th August 2003, 13:06	#19
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	Colorfade IMO is the most misunderstood/not understood/confusing APE http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

15th August 2003, 14:07	#20
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Yeah. Colorfade is weird. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

15th August 2003, 20:19	#21
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	grr. i posted a clear explanation of it somewhere on the forums from avs primer pt I a while ago...too lazy to post it again. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

16th August 2003, 02:02	#22
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	Well atero, we could always hack the avs dll so that we can call functions from it directly. 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

18th August 2003, 06:58	#23
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Which was the original purpose of this thread -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

18th August 2003, 08:21	#24
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	Using Resource Hacker, dialogues and stuff can be modified easily, but can we get the original code? http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

25th August 2003, 12:23	#25
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	Im sick of avs anyway. I think Extra dimension will be my last pack. Dilate sounds like the future, but i just hope that it doesn't die like any other projects to replace avs... And as for the avs support.... fuck it, i doubt dilate needs avs if it's going to be better than avs Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

25th August 2003, 14:48	#27
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	Yep, that sucks hard. Don't you dare to quit AVS Tug! I'd kill you for it if I knew where you lived. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

25th August 2003, 15:29	#28
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	I don't think I'll ever officialy retire, that way I can always return, without looking stupid. I'll probably end up making maybe a few remixes for other people's packs. And I also think you guys underestimate the amount of new options the new ape's like colormap and convolution filter have brought. I even dare to say that those two ape's have extended avs' life by a few years.

25th August 2003, 16:11	#29
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	yeah, they are two awesome APEs. Now we just need someone to make some kickass CHIMPs for AVS. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

26th August 2003, 06:27	#31
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	you make me sad.. i guess it is time to face the facts but.

26th August 2003, 08:26	#32
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	so Zave, how can we call functions from AVS directly? I once tried to open AVS in debug mode in Microsoft Visual C++, but as it is not a debug version, I couldnt do it. http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

26th August 2003, 15:30	#33
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	shreyas: you can run it in debug mode perfectly... you just won't get any C/C++ code out of it . That's how I went in to analyse the script parser and such. You can recognize it by a couple of "call ecx" calls (which are obviously dynamic functions, hence scripted).

27th August 2003, 05:46	#34
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Yeah, all you get out is assembler code. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

27th August 2003, 10:42	#35
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	Yeah, and you can put assembler into C++, so what's your point? 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

27th August 2003, 10:57	#36
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Obviously the super high difficulty to understand the assembler code and modify it. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

27th August 2003, 16:35	#37
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	sshhhh.....quiet you guys...you dont want nullsoft hearing this Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

29th August 2003, 08:09	#39
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Not sure, but do you mean this? And as far as assembler stuff goes, its quite difficult to do this if you NEVER worked with asembler. (like me for example) -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)