RIAA sues 12-year-old

[zootm]

Originally posted by WhiteRayven
I dont use msn 6 because Norton keeps finding exes that have spyware that I didn;t DL.. And they only showed up after msn msgnr 6 was installed. And as for Kazaa... Nuf said.

i have had no extra connections from programs registered since i downloaded msn 6. is it at all possible that these spyware components came from somewhere else? i am almost certain that msn6 does not include spyware.

[WhiteRayven]

Web sites... *wistles like hes guilty*?

[JJA]

Perhaps Brianna's story may generate a backlash to RIAA.

One that would consist of a complete and total freeze on any and all purchases of recorded CDs.

They thought they had something to complain about before.

[StreetWalker]

Why not pay for copyrighted material? Yes, the big labels charge too much - more than double what they should charge for albums - but can you pick and choose which laws you want to follow? Yes you can if you don't get caught! The big labels stick it to us on price but what about the song writers? Do they deserve to be cheated out of their work? NO! Many of you guys work for McDonalds. Suppose you go to work for 8 hours and your customers refuse to pay so you don't get paid - sending you home empty handed. You would fight them and sue because that's against the law. Before you blow your mind to this post ask yourself this question and be honest: Do I have a double standard to not care about stealing music?

[WhiteRayven]

StreetWalker I agree with you.... However... The only songs that I DL are the one hit wonders. When the music industry stops producing 1 good song with and album full of crap filler, I will feel %110 more guilty and will also buy more albums... but for now... %99 of the music I have on my pc, I dont share,is rare, Ripped from cds I had (stolen out of my car), or were written by friends of mine... I feel a shameless plug...

www.mp3.com/403

Also, My personal attitude is in for a HUGE adjustment, beeing that I am going to school to be a software programmer, so piracy of music, software, whatever is still wrong...

That said... Is it ever really going to change?? We could debate the issue all we like and point fingers where we like.

I think the RIAA is trying to make a point... but they are going about it the wrong way... Suing 12 yr old CHILDREN... thats immature.

In my eyes sueing every one they can catch is another form of bullying.

And my BIG questions b4 I end this long post, are:

How much of the money does the artist see from all these court cases?

When are they going to go after a Canadian(or some one over seas)?(I havent heard of one yet)

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by WhiteRayven
When the music industry stops producing 1 good song with and album full of crap filler,

Unfortunately, most groups cannot do what the Beatles and many other, truly talented song writers have done. Let's face it - one hit wonders - are the rule not the exception. The artists and producers still have the right to offer their goods and WE have the right to NOT buy the album if it's not up to our standard (which is another topic considering the crap you all happily buy and stand in line for these days - I'll let you THINK what content I'm referring to).

Is it ever really going to change?? We could debate the issue all we like and point fingers where we like.

Yes! It will change for the better and hopefully be more equitable for the consumer. We will be able to buy these "one hit wonders" singles off the internet and get what we want without the rest. The internet and digital music has irrevocably changed the industry and the big labels WILL also change.

The world is full of "one hit wonders" and if you could erase all these wonderful songs there would be a huge void. Thanks to those less talented hit makers!

You can point fingers all you want but it's still illegal at the end of the day and, yes you will pay huge fines.

Steve

[UpperKEES]

Most of the time I download a few songs to see whether I like them or not. If so, I buy the album as I prefer having the originals & booklets. I also have no problem with paying the people that give me joy.

Occasionally I might keep a song from the 60s or 70s that is impossible or hard to get on CD, but 98% of the songs I download end up in the recycle bin.

These law suits are probably just ment to make clear that copying music is illegal. On the other hand the music industry should get the message too. In Holland we pay 22 Euro (=~ $24.80) for a new CD, while wages are lower than in the US. I can imagine this is far too much for teenagers.

Originally posted by WhiteRayven
When are they going to go after a Canadian(or some one over seas)?(I havent heard of one yet)

I read last week that people in Denmark will be sued as well. Don't know the details however...

UK

[clownercockwise]

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

[UpperKEES]

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[WhiteRayven]

The world is full of "one hit wonders" and if you could erase all these wonderful songs there would be a huge void. Thanks to those less talented hit makers!

I am not trying to say the one hit wonders should dissapear, meerly that they should put as much effort into the rest of thier CD as they do the one hit. I wouldn;t mind paying somuch for the cd..
Also... What about the bands that dont mind thier music beeing shared? If all i listen to is that music will the RIAA sue me for DL it... If they catch me yes, probably. But in all honesty, with all the law suits, I have dl'd maybe 1 song in the last 3 months.

And has NE noticed that Metalica has been giving thier music away thru their own web site, 500,000 hits.... Hmmmm I wonder why they were really pissed... but I guess thats a topic for another forum.

[UpperKEES]

Originally posted by UpperKEES
I read last week that people in Denmark will be sued as well. Don't know the details however...

I probably got it wrong as I just read the complete opposite:

Denmark to Legalize Music Downloads
"Something is rotten in Denmark are words the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) may be whispering to themselves soon. The Industry Standard has revealed that the Danes are proposing changes in their law that will give users the right to download music from the Net."

More: source.

UK

[Devils00Champs]

you guys are talking about songwriters, screw them!! Only artists that SUCK need them. Havent seen one GOOD band that got their lyrics from a song writer, here are a few examples

metallica - James Hetfield/Lars Ulrich
iron maiden - Steve Harris
megadeth - Dave Mustaine

and have u noticed that artists/bands that suck only support the RIAA, Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden, said it himself to keep downloading their stuff, cause they dont see a fall in record sales, good bands will survive with p2p, there will always be loyal fans. and by the way, who cares if u dl, live concerts are what really music is about, amd the tix are already damn expensive.

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by WhiteRayven
I am not trying to say the one hit wonders should dissapear, meerly that they should put as much effort into the rest of thier CD as they do the one hit. ]

Do you think this group really wants every song on their CD to sound like their "one hit wonders"? I don't but doesn't this happen most of the time or worse? I think they did their best but that's all they had to offer.

What about the bands that dont mind thier music beeing shared?................And has NE noticed that Metalica has been giving thier music away thru their own web site, 500,000 hits.... Hmmmm I wonder why they were really pissed... but I guess thats a topic for another forum.

I hope that Metalica invested well all the millions they made back in the 80's. Do you think they would be doing this in the beginning of their career before all the money came into their bank accounts?

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by WhiteRayven

How much of the money does the artist see from all these court cases?

I've been asking that for the longest time. I don't think anyone has heard if the artists will get a share.

[gizmogurl]

I don't intend to get involved with this entire debate, but I'm most 99.99% confident that music fans will support those musicians who they really do want to support. Radiohead's Hail to the Thief was bootlegged a month online before it's release, after countless downloads, and yet so far, it's been one of the top 40 (#1 for a few weeks, if I recall correctly?) best selling albums since it's official release.

It's only an example, but I really wish that the world would stop considering young music fans as freebie lovers, that this generation isn't some ungrateful, "click and paste" type of people.

And there's so many alternatives out there. Suing children or college students for thousands to millions of dollars isn't the solution. I think, once they stop selling albums for $25.99 each, and that more new methods of marketing such as giving away small things like a band poster along with the purchase of the album, sales of albums will also perhaps go up.

And currently in countries like South Korea and Japan, they're including CD-keys along with the album, which are like codes that give the buyer exclusive access to a website with extra footage and multimedia and whatnot. The website also has secure login-/logout coding so that no CD-key can be overused (ie - if your CD-key hits the site 500 times a day, they'll obviously notice that you're sharing it), and some really advanced stuff to block hackers and etc. I'm not saying this will solve all problems, but it does encourage music listeners to support the industry and most of all it's beneficial for both parties.

[Devils00Champs]

The RIAA really screwed themselves with this one. And like said before ppl will support the artists they want to. its all about loyal fans, fuck the others (posers). It seems im safe with dling, cause i havent seen one metal band support this shit, like slayer ect.

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by gizmogurl
Suing children or college students for thousands to millions of dollars isn't the solution. I think, once they stop selling albums for $25.99

Maybe the industry will change their marketing approach and we will be able to buy our albums at a fair $7.99 each.

Steve

[WhiteRayven]

Cd's will become obsolete, you will have to buy your songs online...

[StreetWalker]

I agree that we are heading in that direction but CD wave quality requires a 650 MBytes download today!

Steve

[WhiteRayven]

True, and by the time they get that down, they will also have it encrypted... Hmmm...

[StreetWalker]

be sure to put you encryption code in the top drawer for later access...

[zootm]

Originally posted by StreetWalker
I agree that we are heading in that direction but CD wave quality requires a 650 MBytes download today!

not true. non-lossy compression formats like FLAC mean you can get a whole album in about 350Mb. it's still a lot, though

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by zootm
not true. non-lossy compression formats like FLAC mean you can get a whole album in about 350Mb. it's still a lot, though

Thanks for "Introducing: FLAC, the Free Lossless Audio Codec". Here's what Josh Coalson said: First, as the original developer I have to say that no algorithm can losslessly compress all possible input. Nice try!

[WhiteRayven]

OK, but isn;t it true that all we really lose is the shtuff the human ear cant even hear anyhow... I mean me personally if I burn an cd with all 128kbit encoded mp3s, I cant really tell the diff... sound volume varies from song to song, depending on which codec was used and the prefs the used to encode it. but even then most cd burning proggys genneraly have some sort of Volume normalization... Speaking of which, is there a plugin that does that for winamp during playback? I can't locate one.

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by WhiteRayven
[B]OK, but isn;t it true that all we really lose is the shtuff the human ear cant even hear anyhow... I mean me personally if I burn an cd with all 128kbit encoded mp3s, I cant really tell the diff...

It depends on what you are listening to it with. Computer speakers are hardly a scientific way to judge audio quality.

Steve

[zootm]

Originally posted by StreetWalker
Thanks for "Introducing: FLAC, the Free Lossless Audio Codec". Here's what Josh Coalson said: First, as the original developer I have to say that no algorithm can losslessly compress all possible input. Nice try!

then put the files in a .rar and play them through foobar with the "archive reader" plugin enabled

[WhiteRayven]

It depends on what you are listening to it with. Computer speakers are hardly a scientific way to judge audio quality.

Steve

Umm yeah, I actually have really good speakers on my puter, but I am talking like in my car, where i spend a considerable amount of time and money on my system

[WhiteRayven]

Hey cool, It doesn;t say "junior member" under my name any more.... Is that based on # of posts?


oh yeah, sry about the double post

[zootm]

yeah, unless you have a custom title the rank under your name is based on post count.

[WhiteRayven]

Yeah, dlink already pm'd me on that issue, thanx tho

[dlichterman]

What I dont get is how stupid the RIAA is. All they have to do is create a P2P network and charge $5.99 a month. They would make TONS of money. WTF dont these idiots get.......

[EnDurA]

They would make more if they made buy music cd's from shops. besides, you could download 10 or more albums in the course of a month

[zao]

@WhiteRayven
then you would have noticed that the low end bass is not as good as the orginal cd. and some of the highs that would come out of the tweaters are not there aswell.

[whatsitsname]

so how do they get the names, is it only because people are stupid enough to enter there rel name and address?

[caitcid]

I always though they tracked down your computer PIN# and then they get your information off of that.

[tunesrus]

i think that maybe if they stopped gouging the consumer for CD prices that maybe people wouldnt download so much ... I mean i am not paying $24.95 for a CD, wich often only has a few songs on it that i would like anyways, when to produce that CD it only cost a fration of that..and besides when you can buy the exact same music on a cassette for like half the CD and it costs more to produce a tape than a CD... hmmm wierd huh?

So your not paying for the music....its the "hype" (if you will) thats shoved along with this apparent superior medium, the money word...DIGITAL... when frankly i'd rather have music on my turntable any day... well i guess now im rabling... lol anyways the problem lies with the artists an the record producers for this growth in file sharing trend.. artists because more and more of them are appearing and doing nothing more than "1 hit wonders" or just crap all together wich makes spending 20 some odd dollars for their disc a waste... and the record producers for putting this crap out there..buying music used to be resonable and there was quality in the entire record wich seems to be getting more and more sparse these days.... I do buy music when i will enjoy the whole album but when it comes down to a few songs F**K that i'll find other means

[tunesrus]

...and about the bits about the car speakers an the computer speakers and using them to judge quality...
as nice as some of the comp speakse seem to sound....much like the saying goes for engines "there is no replacement for displacement"
same goes for speaker systems... computer speakers are small and in relatively cheap cabinets wich will hurt sound reproduction.. i know this because i design an build speaker and sound systems and am a audio engineer.. most comp speakers are made of plastic wich results in a flatter hollow sound and this whole nonescense (i need a spell check lol) about subwoofers an such is just cheaper alternative for a real set of speakers or for convenience (ie. no room) you will never get the same sound outt of 2 small satellite speakers and a sub that you would out of a set of proper floor speakers (even some high end shelf speakers are ported and insulated to sound nice) and the other problem with using a computer as your sound source is that sound cards (and i dont care what any manufacturer says) are built VERY cheaply regardless what you pay at the counter...unless you are using the line out then the quality isnt too bad, and as far as car systems go theyare designed to go LOUD not give you high end quality.. to put your music to the test use a rack system and decent speakers.

[WhiteRayven]

@tunerurs
I love a good ranting... Nice one

[WhiteRayven]

@caitcid
Umm yeah its call an IP
not a pin

[Guardsman00395]

You can get versions of kazaa that block out RIAA IP ranges.