AVS's 2 MOVIE???

Timzone8 · 29th October 2003, 10:27

Hey,
I'm want to record some AVS's into some sort of video format, what software can I use to do this? (preferably free?)

Mr Jones · 29th October 2003, 10:46

Be reading the FAQ
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=82567

Magic.X · 29th October 2003, 11:32

And be sure to search the forums!

mark · 29th October 2003, 14:17

if you figure out how to easily get a clip of avs into an animated gif file, for free, let me know...

anubis2003 · 29th October 2003, 14:36

You use AVSGrabber to get an AVI, and then you use a simple freeware anmation program capable of opening/saving AVIs and GIFs. It ain't hard nobby.

mark · 29th October 2003, 16:11

i have yet to find a freeware program that does that. what do you use?

anubis2003 · 29th October 2003, 17:12

I use Jasc psp7(animation shop 3), but that isn't free.

It took me all of 5 seconds to find this: http://download.com.com/3000-2192-10...ml?tag=lst-0-1

Just go to www.download.com and search for "avi gif" - you'll find lots

gaekwad2 · 29th October 2003, 17:50

You can use Gimp.

toq3r · 29th October 2003, 18:58

If you can find it..

Microsoft gif animator will take avi's and convert them too gif's. It used to be a free download from MS but it was soo good they decided to pull it. Googling will yeild a result or two.

Deamon · 29th October 2003, 20:07

How about listening to what people say. Get AVSGrabber: It's free, and it's great. There has just been a new release, just search the forums for it.

UnConeD · 30th October 2003, 01:29

I think he was referring to the AVI -> GIF conversion, not the AVS grabbing part.

sidd · 30th October 2003, 03:18

how bout the next release of avs grabber comes with avs -> avatar sized gif

=DDDDDD

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 05:35

And a mp3 conversion to MIDI which will then be added to the GIF

"Midi playing AVS avatars"

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 07:04

Get real Tugg ... analyzing MP3, dividing into certain istruments and finding a good sounding midi replacement is insane!

I wouldnt want to let anyone code this (and i guess it doesnt exist), besides the result will be most likely to sound horrible

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 07:07

Heh, well i assumed sidd's post was a joke so i just continued the joke, i didn't really mean that

Deamon · 30th October 2003, 07:13

Tough if it would actually work, you really could have fun with it.

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 08:33

Yeah, by simultanously listening to all the beeping avatars that are on the current page ...

Deamon · 30th October 2003, 08:54

lol, that'll be horrible.

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 09:08

It would sound like one of those crappy old even pre-nintendo handhelds and would make me either smashing every single speaker of my pc or otherwise simply go mad...

NO! to Sound-Avatars

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 09:39

Not even a sound jiggling/dancing T?

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 09:45

LMAO @ T

You'd better NOT start this discussion again otherwise we'd have an avatar competition again.

But ... umm ... do show me if you got the sound T working

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 09:56

LOL

Yeah, i don't want to change my avatar again! Not even for that

Also i lack the software and knowledge to apply sound to gif's

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 10:22

Same over here, i'm sticky and happy with mine too.

Plus it's impossible do do some wicked weird psychedelic Simon Posford like trance with midi only

(and it was it would be a fucking huge avatar in respect of the filesize)

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 10:34

Not necessarely, i mean, what do you do when you want a background sound for your webpage with a wav? (i know you don't want this, but let's assume you do

) The answer is you make it LOOP! With midi's being pretty small files already even if it's a full lenght song, a 10-30sec looping midi would be really small and would go under the 15kb limit along with the animation in your avatar. Now i don't know how long music or how many frames you could have, but it can sure go under the limit if needed

Im mostly guessing, but im pretty sure it's possible and not only "in theory"

But i really do hope that no one will ever get the urge to do it!

Magic.X · 30th October 2003, 10:49

Lol, me to

Theoretically, it WOULD be possible, but midi's capabillities are limited to the soundcard on the one hand (how many instruments, etc) and on the other hand to just sequence and arrange those insturments ... no filter effects, no reverb, no phazers, no flangers, nothing

As for music loops, have a look here:
http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm#
This is a funny made guide to electronic music describing nearly every style you can imagine featuring sound loops from popular artist.

Give it a try, have a look at Trance > Goa and what come futher and then tell me wheter you can redo this in midi or not

Tuggummi · 30th October 2003, 11:08

Yeah, no way you can make that in midi to sound like anything, but...

Jungle -> Experimental -> Sample 3 "Aphex Twin - 4"

That sounds like a midi already!

Anyway, im sure that the inter-web is full of midis even 10sec loops, just go pick one

So why should i bother to make my own?

btw. great site that guide thing, thanks!

anubis2003 · 30th October 2003, 14:12

There are actually already mp3/wav -> midi converters, but they don't work well at all(even on simple 1track pure-instrumental sons). Doing it requires a lot of work, and is beyond our capabilities currently.

I have made my own soundformat before that could fit thousands of hours of music in a file the size of an mp3. It used the system bell to make the sound.

Annoyed the hell out of my family - lol.

mark · 1st November 2003, 13:51

LOL!

post it!

anubis2003 · 1st November 2003, 14:06

I no longer have it - it isn't difficult to create though.

Deamon · 2nd November 2003, 12:05

lol, damnit. I would love to have it.

anubis2003 · 2nd November 2003, 14:23

The program only took like 30minutes to write - if I felt like it I would write it again, but it was extremely annoying and I don't feel like rewriting it.

All it does is convert notes to a corresponding frequency(I found out the formula for this on the internet), and then just used the dos functions(I believe they are sound, sleep, nosound) to play the notes for a specific length of time.

Deamon · 2nd November 2003, 14:30

you're insane, you know that?

mark · 2nd November 2003, 14:38

can you convert mp3/wav/midi into this new format?

anubis2003 · 2nd November 2003, 14:48

no - that'd be just as hard as with midis.

Read up on the wav>midi conversion and see how difficult that is. It ain't easy. The program has to try to pull apart the wav and seperate it into different instruments, and then(assuming it did the first part correctly) has to try and determine which note is being played, as well as strength it was played with, duration of play, etc - when many different notes are probably going to be played at one time. The amount of gaussian transformations is mindboggling now, and the prototype programs hardly make something remotely recognizable from the original song.

mark · 2nd November 2003, 15:22

midi ---> silly beep thing?

anubis2003 · 2nd November 2003, 15:38

That would be fairly easy to do if you know the format of .midi files. I don't know the particulars - I just know a lot of what .midi's do store.

Yathosho · 2nd November 2003, 16:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Nobby Nobbs
midi ---> silly beep thing?

depends on how you use midi data.. it's actually a professional sound format, which allows to play it on any midi-device (hardware and software). common mediaplayers and cellphones of course are consumer-software with different purpose, they play beeps.

read on here, but i guess you just wanted to say anything.

anubis2003 · 2nd November 2003, 17:49

I think you misunderstood him yathoso - he is wondering if you can convert from midi -> the beeps - I believe. Unless I misunderstood him(entirely possible).

As soundfonts get better, midi's will begin to sound almost exactly like the real thing. They are beginning to get close, and with programs like fruity loops you can create some amazing music.

Deamon · 2nd November 2003, 20:34

fruity loops is nice

I got some really great midi's which indeed sound almost real. Though the best midi program imo is CuBase.

mark · 2nd November 2003, 20:36

no anubis, you got it right.

29th October 2003, 10:27	#1
Timzone8 Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 569	AVS's 2 MOVIE??? Hey, I'm want to record some AVS's into some sort of video format, what software can I use to do this? (preferably free?)

29th October 2003, 11:32	#3
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	And be sure to search the forums! -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

29th October 2003, 14:36	#5
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	You use AVSGrabber to get an AVI, and then you use a simple freeware anmation program capable of opening/saving AVIs and GIFs. It ain't hard nobby. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

29th October 2003, 17:12	#7
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	I use Jasc psp7(animation shop 3), but that isn't free. It took me all of 5 seconds to find this: http://download.com.com/3000-2192-10...ml?tag=lst-0-1 Just go to www.download.com and search for "avi gif" - you'll find lots [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

29th October 2003, 17:50	#8
gaekwad2 Foorum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,149	You can use Gimp. Fuck this place.

29th October 2003, 10:46	#2
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	Be reading the FAQ http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=82567

29th October 2003, 14:17	#4
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	if you figure out how to easily get a clip of avs into an animated gif file, for free, let me know...

29th October 2003, 16:11	#6
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	i have yet to find a freeware program that does that. what do you use?

29th October 2003, 18:58	#9
toq3r Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 120	If you can find it.. Microsoft gif animator will take avi's and convert them too gif's. It used to be a free download from MS but it was soo good they decided to pull it. Googling will yeild a result or two.

29th October 2003, 20:07	#10
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	How about listening to what people say. Get AVSGrabber: It's free, and it's great. There has just been a new release, just search the forums for it. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

30th October 2003, 01:29	#11
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	I think he was referring to the AVI -> GIF conversion, not the AVS grabbing part.

30th October 2003, 03:18	#12
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	how bout the next release of avs grabber comes with avs -> avatar sized gif =DDDDDD

30th October 2003, 05:35	#13
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	And a mp3 conversion to MIDI which will then be added to the GIF "Midi playing AVS avatars" Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 07:04	#14
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Get real Tugg ... analyzing MP3, dividing into certain istruments and finding a good sounding midi replacement is insane! I wouldnt want to let anyone code this (and i guess it doesnt exist), besides the result will be most likely to sound horrible -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 07:07	#15
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	Heh, well i assumed sidd's post was a joke so i just continued the joke, i didn't really mean that Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 07:13	#16
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	Tough if it would actually work, you really could have fun with it. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

30th October 2003, 08:33	#17
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Yeah, by simultanously listening to all the beeping avatars that are on the current page ... -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 08:54	#18
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	lol, that'll be horrible. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

30th October 2003, 09:08	#19
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	It would sound like one of those crappy old even pre-nintendo handhelds and would make me either smashing every single speaker of my pc or otherwise simply go mad... NO! to Sound-Avatars -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 09:39	#20
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	Not even a sound jiggling/dancing T? Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 09:45	#21
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	LMAO @ T You'd better NOT start this discussion again otherwise we'd have an avatar competition again. But ... umm ... do show me if you got the sound T working -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 09:56	#22
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	LOL Yeah, i don't want to change my avatar again! Not even for that Also i lack the software and knowledge to apply sound to gif's Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 10:22	#23
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Same over here, i'm sticky and happy with mine too. Plus it's impossible do do some wicked weird psychedelic Simon Posford like trance with midi only (and it was it would be a fucking huge avatar in respect of the filesize) -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 10:34	#24
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	Not necessarely, i mean, what do you do when you want a background sound for your webpage with a wav? (i know you don't want this, but let's assume you do ) The answer is you make it LOOP! With midi's being pretty small files already even if it's a full lenght song, a 10-30sec looping midi would be really small and would go under the 15kb limit along with the animation in your avatar. Now i don't know how long music or how many frames you could have, but it can sure go under the limit if needed Im mostly guessing, but im pretty sure it's possible and not only "in theory" But i really do hope that no one will ever get the urge to do it! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 10:49	#25
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Lol, me to Theoretically, it WOULD be possible, but midi's capabillities are limited to the soundcard on the one hand (how many instruments, etc) and on the other hand to just sequence and arrange those insturments ... no filter effects, no reverb, no phazers, no flangers, nothing As for music loops, have a look here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm# This is a funny made guide to electronic music describing nearly every style you can imagine featuring sound loops from popular artist. Give it a try, have a look at Trance > Goa and what come futher and then tell me wheter you can redo this in midi or not -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

30th October 2003, 11:08	#26
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,168	Yeah, no way you can make that in midi to sound like anything, but... Jungle -> Experimental -> Sample 3 "Aphex Twin - 4" That sounds like a midi already! Anyway, im sure that the inter-web is full of midis even 10sec loops, just go pick one So why should i bother to make my own? btw. great site that guide thing, thanks! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

30th October 2003, 14:12	#27
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	There are actually already mp3/wav -> midi converters, but they don't work well at all(even on simple 1track pure-instrumental sons). Doing it requires a lot of work, and is beyond our capabilities currently. I have made my own soundformat before that could fit thousands of hours of music in a file the size of an mp3. It used the system bell to make the sound. Annoyed the hell out of my family - lol. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

1st November 2003, 13:51	#28
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	LOL! post it!

1st November 2003, 14:06	#29
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	I no longer have it - it isn't difficult to create though. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

2nd November 2003, 12:05	#30
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	lol, damnit. I would love to have it. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

2nd November 2003, 14:23	#31
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	The program only took like 30minutes to write - if I felt like it I would write it again, but it was extremely annoying and I don't feel like rewriting it. All it does is convert notes to a corresponding frequency(I found out the formula for this on the internet), and then just used the dos functions(I believe they are sound, sleep, nosound) to play the notes for a specific length of time. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

2nd November 2003, 14:30	#32
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	you're insane, you know that? .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

2nd November 2003, 14:38	#33
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	can you convert mp3/wav/midi into this new format?

2nd November 2003, 14:48	#34
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	no - that'd be just as hard as with midis. Read up on the wav>midi conversion and see how difficult that is. It ain't easy. The program has to try to pull apart the wav and seperate it into different instruments, and then(assuming it did the first part correctly) has to try and determine which note is being played, as well as strength it was played with, duration of play, etc - when many different notes are probably going to be played at one time. The amount of gaussian transformations is mindboggling now, and the prototype programs hardly make something remotely recognizable from the original song. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

2nd November 2003, 15:22	#35
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	midi ---> silly beep thing?