Winamp 5 Modern Skin Port

[guidod]

Even in the newest systems, freeform skins make the OS run quite slow overall when running multiple applications. That's why I decided to port original Winamp 5's skin to the classic format. I did it for personal use, but I guess someone can find use to it... so

Btw, my first Winamp skin here... Well -- not "my":

The original credits go to Sven Kistner a.k.a. Bartman from the colleagues at metrix.de. I don't think there is any problem in Modern being ported to Winamp 2 as I've seen the Winamp 3 skin ported to the classic format without any problem. If the skin author or the Winamp team prefers me not to post it, no problem, let me know.

(Doing the port is quite of a pain anyway )

Anyway, this is what I've got for now:



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[0.1 - DEC 09 2003]
First version. Whole main window finished.

[0.0 - DEC 08 2003]
Development started
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No download available yet because only main window is done, but would like to get your comments about it. What do you think?

[YtseJam]

Good work, waiting to see the rest!

[flatmatt]

Really does look a lot like it. One question, why doesn't the volume slider have the left of it highlighted and the right unhighlighted as in the modern skin?

[guidod]

Originally posted by flatmatt
One question, why doesn't the volume slider have the left of it highlighted and the right unhighlighted as in the modern skin?

Good point. It seems I tried to improvise too much there

Will look into it after doing the other major windows.

[Krynis]

Nice work

[LuigiHann]

Are you gonna try to match the transparency in the EQ? I think it'll look good either way, but some transparency might make it seem even more similar to the real one.

[net-cruizer]

Looks awsome. I was working on one after the first release I got with the Winamp Modern. I mostely had the eq done though, lol.

I'm definitely looking forward to this being completed, as I still actually like WA 2x style skins better, and don't feel like skinning any more myself, lol. Just don't have the time and patience anymore.

[guidod]

Originally posted by net-cruizer
I mostely had the eq done though, lol.

Post it

Maybe we can merge both parts into the skin.

Are you gonna try to match the transparency in the EQ? I think it'll look good either way, but some transparency might make it seem even more similar to the real one.

I'm not sure whether it would look well given the completely different layout of the EQ in W2 and the Modern Skin...

What I was planning to do is to add a rounded border to all the windows like the Modern Skin has, I'll see...

[guidod]

Great, I can't edit the first post after 180 minutes...

Well

0.2
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-Added full playlist editor (+winshade)
-Remade Volume and Balance bars (to make them look like the original a bit more).
-Other things that no one will notice because they didn't have the skin before...



DOWNLOAD!
http://people.gfdd.net/guido/winamp/Winamp%205.wsz

[FooMonkey]

You sure like to here llama's scream. Sicko.

[guidod]

Originally posted by FooMonkey
You sure like to here llama's scream. Sicko.

lol...

[immortal]

Originally posted by guidod
Even in the newest systems, freeform skins make the OS run quite slow overall when running multiple applications.

No shit! If you saw how much code is behind freefrom skinning you'd understand why it takes more ram. It's gotta draw windows not just draw on top of a standerd win32 window, wasabi has its own windows system that doesn't depend on win32GDI or directX, wereas windows and winamp2/5(classic) does.

If you knew how it worked you wouldn't moan.

ABOUT THE SKIN!

It's looking good, I was expecting a n00bie skin but was suprised

[StillWater]

Originally posted by immortal
No shit! If you saw how much code is behind freefrom skinning you'd understand why it takes more ram...........If you knew how it worked you wouldn't moan.

Well, it looks like you've not just supported his point, but boosted it: if he knew just how much crap was involved in free-form skins, he'd probably moan even harder!
That's the thing: a lot of people want a media player that looks good and runs in the background on as little CPU power as possible while they use their pc for stuff that's actually important.



As for the skin, I've never actually seen the new freeform version, so all I have to say is that it looks really nice, the pressed cbuttons work fantastically, but the different states of the shuffle/repeat buttons are way-too-subtle functionality-wise (as well as aesthetically boring) - they're a lot worse than most good WA2 skins, and also a lot worse than the WA2 base skin.

I mean, it's just a tiny little light that takes up a few pixels. The whole thing about the WA2 base-skin - even though it looked like shit - was that it was supremely functional. Are the different states of the shuffle/repeat buttons in the new "modern" base skin really that unclear? that's crap!

[immortal]

Originally posted by StillWater
Are the different states of the shuffle/repeat buttons in the new "modern" base skin really that unclear? that's crap!

No.

The new moden skin is much more clear, but the skin is bigger than this skin. 1 min ill upload a SS...

http://immortal.skin-zone.net/wa5moden.gif

[guidod]

Sorry for the length of the message.

Originally posted by immortal
No shit!

Nice sentence to start a post with...
And even if you use it, justify that "no"... Instead, in the next line...

you'd understand why it takes more ram. It's gotta draw windows not just draw on top of a standerd win32 window, wasabi has its own windows system that doesn't depend on win32GDI or directX, wereas windows and winamp2/5(classic) does.

Wtf? Why don't you first calm down a bit... it seems you are not on the mood...

I, for my PERSONAL USE, made a version of the new Winamp 5 skin in the Classic Format and posted it here because I noticed some people wanted the port. THEN, YOU, come and basically tell me I have no rights to use a Winamp Classic skin instead of a freeform one?

I love freeform skins and I use them, but only when the computer is just there with Winamp 5 playing music and nothing else. And I didn't pay for my computer just to play music, I love the improvements made to Winamp and know they take more systems resources. Exactly that's why I have a P4 2.6 ghz with HT, because I do like those improvements, I agree on those improvements and I want to use them.

If you knew how it worked you wouldn't moan.

Exactly... I know how it works, and that's why I never moaned...

This is the part of my post which explains the reason to make this skin:

Even in the newest systems, freeform skins make the OS run quite slow overall when running multiple applications. That's why I decided to port original Winamp 5's skin to the classic format. I did it for personal use, but I guess someone can find use to it... so

Please let me know where I complained, cause I still can't find it. I just stated facts: Wasabi needs more resources to run, and unless you only use your computer just for playing music and not run 10 heavy programs at the same time, it is more reasonable to use classic skins.

Luckily, there is some people that appreciate other's work and actually read posts before replying. Good luck in becoming one.

Now, to the important part...

Originally posted by StillWater
(as well as aesthetically boring)

Really? Well, anyway, they are from the original skin. If you or anyone else wants to change them, feel free to post the new ones and as long as they fit I can put them into the skin.

As for the lack of functionality, the blue led is exactly the same size as in the original modern skin version (the button is resized, the light isn't). So, I don't really understand why you think it's much more clear in the other version. The difference is the blue glow that wasn't included in the port simply because the "supremely functional" Winamp 2 Skins system has the repeat button much smaller than the shuffle button. Therefore, if i put the glow it would either look cropped on one side or I would have had to resize the button even more.

Anyway, I understand your point but don't think they are so subtle. In fact, the Winamp 2 Skin uses the same concept, only the light there is green and plain -- but not much bigger.

Thanks for the people who live kind comments and constructive critics . Oh, and thanks immortal too . Heh, jk, its ok but try to read my post carefully before saying I know nothing about freeform skins just because I use a Classic skin to save resources...

[Krynis]

i think it could use some work but its a very good port

[LuigiHann]

Yeah, Stillwater, the Classic WA2 base skin only had like a 3x2 pixel green light to indicate whether shuffle is on or off. I don't find this port to be too unclear, its about the same as thw WA5 base skin.

[Renigal]

Good work Guido

[iron2000]

Very nice port!

The main window sort of have a retro futuristic feel.

[zrco]

I just want to ask you for permission to upload a redesign of winamp 5 modern skin, I've made to fit classical winamp 2.9 shape, to this and similar sits. I have already spoken with Sven Kistner and he has no problem but he guided me to you as a legal owners.

[Mr Jones]

Looks like every man and his dog is remaking the WA5 base skin, whatever happend to originallity...

No one in here can give you permission, I suggest you take it up with someone from Nullsoft, I suggest you start with Steve as he is down as product manager on WA5, his contact details are in his user profile

[zrco]

Thanks Jones, the mail with wsz file has been sent to Steve.

[net-cruizer]

Hmmm, this is only the second Winamp Modern 2x skin that I've noticed. And there definitely should be some.
Some people that don't have a lot of power to be running freeform skins, and these ports would allow them to have a pretty good taste of a good looking skin.
Anyways, to the artist here... great work, I'm hoping I'll be able to get this, as I've been looking for one like this for quite some time, and this being the best so far out of 2 anyways, and at least this one is finished, as you say.

[zrco]

I agree with you, we should have "light" version of the skin, and the best way is to be done by Sven Kistner.
Here is the other preview:
http://www.zrco.net/temp/desktop.jpg

[net-cruizer]

Originally posted by zrco
I agree with you, we should have "light" version of the skin, and the best way is to be done by Sven Kistner.
Here is the other preview:
http://www.zrco.net/temp/desktop.jpg

Wow, looks awsome! Got a .wsz of it?

[zrco]

Sure, but I'm not sure is it ok to upload?

[net-cruizer]

Originally posted by zrco
Sure, but I'm not sure is it ok to upload?

Well I'm sure if it's not ok, it'll be removed, but there is another post where someone is working on the same kind of skin, and there's a link to download it. But it's not complete yet, and the one here is better. Well the main window looks way better anyways.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Upload a version without transparencies in the equalizer, the same people who can't run a modern skin also can't run desktop alpha.

First skin submitted to the database might get published, make sure to give proper credit in readme file and description. Others will not be accepted, as they will be duplicates. And I might as well head this one off right here: no, do not submit color variations, won't be published.

If the orginal author (Sven) at any time in the future submits a classic version himself, any others will be removed.

[zrco]

Originally posted by wildrose-wally
Upload a version without transparencies in the equalizer, the same people who can't run a modern skin also can't run desktop alpha.

First skin submitted to the database might get published, make sure to give proper credit in readme file and description. Others will not be accepted, as they will be duplicates. And I might as well head this one off right here: no, do not submit color variations, won't be published.

If the orginal author (Sven) at any time in the future submits a classic version himself, any others will be removed.

Ok, here is the file: http://www.zrco.net/temp/winamp5_classic.wsz

Regarding the transparency, this skin is not transparent. Just check the file and let me know about your opinion. Also have a look at readme.txt

[Wildrose-Wally]

Skin looks good, except for the equalizer. Same shape as other windows would be better. And don't forget the text on the standard windows.

Pledit stacks could also be better.

[zrco]

Thanks, but I think that equalizer window is cool enough and it has almost the same idea as the original one. I've submitted this skin to http://classic.winamp.com and now everything is on you people.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Too bad you did not take suggestions. Usually I would say make a skin the way you want it, but in this case an exception would have been in order.
In the original skin the equalizer is definitely not tapered and the standard windows have a title in the title bar.

[zrco]

Sorry about that, but I must confess that you gave me some small doubts about the equalizer window so I did some small changes. Thanks for the comments I really appreciate it.

[guidod]

Wow... i hate you . That looks great.

As you already did it, I won't take time on re-doing everything because it will simply look just like yours. That is, i've abandoned my port.

I have made a personal version of your skin with some of the components I made (like the equalizer, because that's really the only part in which i prefer my version).

I also added transparency to both the main window (yours) and the EQ (mine) to make the Modern effect complete. This is how it looks:



I have updated my uploaded skin with that version. Credit is absolutely yours except for the EQ. That is clearly stated in the Readme, so don't worry If you still want me not to distribute it, just tell me.

http://people.gfdd.net/guido/winamp/Winamp%205.wsz

I would actually hope that Winamp 5 had a W5 port as its default classic skin instead of the W1.x old skin...

[Renigal]

Looks great . Can you do anything about the playlist? The bottom left and bottom right corners (the square parts) don't look good IMO.

[guidod]

Originally posted by Renigal
Looks great . Can you do anything about the playlist? The bottom left and bottom right corners (the square parts) don't look good IMO.

Due to Winamp's classic skinning capabilities its only possible to add transparency to the main window & the equalizer. So, the only thing I can do is make the corners square, and it does look better imho.

What do you think?

[Renigal]

IMO it looks much better.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Due to you both working at this project at the same time and both producing some good results, I have taken the liberty of publishing the combinastion of both skinners, the readme file has been altered to reflect both skinners contribution. This is now the only port that will be published, any others will be rejected.

-wally

http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=138231

[guidod]

Originally posted by wildrose-wally
Due to you both working at this project at the same time and both producing some good results, I have taken the liberty of publishing the combinastion of both skinners, the readme file has been altered to reflect both skinners contribution. This is now the only port that will be published, any others will be rejected.

-wally

http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=138231

Great, but have you checked the last version of the skin I published? Its already a combination of both, and it adds rounded borders (transparency) to his main window and my EQ -- plus, its more than half the size because I compressed the BMPS thoroughly. Maybe you could update it with that one...

[zrco]

Way to go Guidod
Transparency looks good except in the upper part of the main window. Also in the equalizer window close and minimize buttons should have the same look as in the winshade mode. I already modified those buttons, so wally can upload a new skin if you agree.
Here is the file: http://www.zrco.net/temp/Winamp_5.wsz