Old 16th December 2003, 19:31   #1
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Free upgrade to Winamp 5 Pro

I just heard about Winamp Pro 5 so I clicked right on over to take a look at it. When I got to the download screen I saw the option to download Winamp 5.0 Pro for $14.95 and I remembered when I registered my shareware Winamp back in 1998 I received an email quick states:

** Downloads
This registration is valid for ALL versions of Winamp, past, present and
future. You can download different versions of Winamp from the following
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http://www.winamp.com/ * Latest versions

But when my Registration code didn't work I looked at the FAQ section which reads:


I guess there's not even the slightest chance that my old serial number from 1999 will still work, huh?

Hahahahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Haha. Hah. Ha. Sorry. It doesn't.

Well since the two statements contradict each other I sent an email to them asking which policy they are going to support. I realize that it is only $15 but their FAQ was just so mean…
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Old 16th December 2003, 19:37   #2
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No, the new Pro version requires a 20 digit key where as my old reg key is only 8 digits.
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Old 16th December 2003, 21:49   #3
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Your not the first person complaing about this, and probably wont be the last, but your just gonna have to deal now.

Nullsoft is owned by a different company, and this is a wholly different product. The features in the Pro version actually cost them money to give to you, thats why they are charging, and why they cant offer a free upgreade.

Deal with it.
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My problem with "dealing" with it is a company isn't honoring their original agreement with a customer. When Ford bought Jaguar they didn't cancel all of the remaining warranties held by exsisting Jaguar owners. Also at the top of this very page it says Nullsoft Winamp, the email that says I get free updates came from Nullsoft Winamp, hmmm seems to be the same company to me regardless of who owns them the company that I purchased a product from is still in business...


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Well i feel for ya, but I think if WiNamp keeps going the way it is im gonna stick with WiNamp3. Just wish Aol hadn't bought nullsoft. I HATE YOU AOL YOU HEAR ME! I HATE AOL! IT DELETED HALF OF MY 2000 SYSTEM FILES AND IS CONTINUALY DELETEING MY MODEM DRIVERS! NOW THEY ARE CHARING MONEY FOR WINAMP! YOU EVIL AOL PEOPLE AHHHH!!!! wow.........ok just ranting....
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My problem with "dealing" with it is a company isn't honoring their original agreement with a customer. When Ford bought Jaguar they didn't cancel all of the remaining warranties held by exsisting Jaguar owners. Also at the top of this very page it says Nullsoft Winamp, the email that says I get free updates came from Nullsoft Winamp, hmmm seems to be the same company to me regardless of who owns them the company that I purchased a product from is still in business...


<<Cheers>>>

Read the fine print my dear. Updates on your current, existing media player, not the brand spanking-new one.

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It says ALL VERSIONS OF WINAMP, past, present, or future.

That's pretty clear-cut really.

God almighty, I wish AOL had a clue.

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Well its one of those things. Aol has broken several contracts before. Like the time the salesguy said my dad would get a free year of aol for our account, but then AOL lied and (unfortunaly) my dad got mad (good) but did not leave aol (bad). Its one of those things. Aol usualy doesn't honor contracts
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Read the fine print my dear. Updates on your current, existing media player, not the brand spanking-new one.
It's also not really a new product. It's 2x, with some 3x stuff thrown in. Not really *new*, or so I hear.

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"This registration is valid for ALL versions of Winamp, past, present and future."

This was their selling point back in those days. Winamp was not crippled in anyway so most people didn't send in any money. Those who did were in a sense purchasing "upgrade insurance". So that we would always be intitled to any and all new versions of Winamp.

I paid already! Back when you didn't have to, so that I wouldn't have to pay AGAIN in the future. That was part of the deal and now they just want to laugh at us "Hahahahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Haha. Hah. Ha. Sorry. It doesn't" as if to say "SUCKERSSS!!!!!"

Is that anyway to treat your early supporters back when you needed the money?
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This is a different product, not the same. This is Winamp Pro, not Winamp, they are different.

Jesus fucking christ people, deal with it.
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It's NOT really a different product, but yeah, stop bitching at Nullsoft. Either it was this, or you can't even get the features at all, so stop bitching. It's not like they're charging for playlist support or something. They probably don't even get most to all of the money.

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Winamp is Winamp.
He does make a valid point.
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"This registration is valid for ALL versions of Winamp, past, present and future."

This was their selling point back in those days. Winamp was not crippled in anyway so most people didn't send in any money. Those who did were in a sense purchasing "upgrade insurance". So that we would always be intitled to any and all new versions of Winamp.

I paid already! Back when you didn't have to, so that I wouldn't have to pay AGAIN in the future. That was part of the deal and now they just want to laugh at us "Hahahahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Haha. Hah. Ha. Sorry. It doesn't" as if to say "SUCKERSSS!!!!!"

Is that anyway to treat your early supporters back when you needed the money?
Sucks for you, I got Winamp for free. And now I'd have to pay for Winamp Pro, but I don't want it. So look at the sky, if you see a flying pig, then AOL must care. If not, don't bitch about it cause life sucks get a fucking helmet.

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Sucks for you, I got Winamp for free. And now I'd have to pay for Winamp Pro, but I don't want it. So look at the sky, if you see a flying pig, then AOL must care. If not, don't bitch about it cause life sucks get a fucking helmet.
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Well, AOL is just greedy, that's all.. But aren't we all?
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this contract was made by nullsoft, now you ask AOL to fullfil that contract... um.....

maybe i just don't get it... but it is a different company
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this contract was made by nullsoft, now you ask AOL to fullfil that contract... um.....

maybe i just don't get it... but it is a different company
No I guess you don't get it. AOL is the parent company of Nullsoft but Nullsoft the company still exists. Look at the top of this page...does it say AOL Winamp or Nullsoft Winamp? Open up the New Winamp 5 and look at the ABOUT screen. Do you see "Copyright AOL..." or do you see "Copyright 1997-2003 Nullsoft, Inc"?

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okay, please stop this moronic parade now. if you don't want Winamp Pro, then don't fucking get it. If you want it, then youre going to have to buy it. Whining about it is a)stupid b)useless and c)stupid.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT

Did you ever think that you might not like what Winamp Pro has and will have bought it for nothing? I'm happy with what I use for my CD burning, I don't need Winamp to do it.
Bitch all you want but don't make it sound like a valiant effort by you or a novel idea or a justified position. You're not going to get it for free. So quit the shit and get your heads out of your asses.

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT
Yes I know....because we already paid for it.

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You're not going to get it for free.
Consider winamp pro to be a semi-different product from nullsoft that is just like winamp, but has extra features that you don't need.
It isn't Winamp, it's Winamp Pro. Different thing. And paying for Winamp isn't going to get you a free ride into Winamp Pro.

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You know, a lawsuit could be filed agaist AOL.
And who ever filed it could win.
And the lawyers who represented such parties would win BIG.
I did not buy ANY whineAMP, so i could care less.
I just thought all those people who are suppose to be THINKING, would cover their ass instead of using said ass as a repository for their heads.
Honoring a contract, no matter how old, is always good business.
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you're not reading.

Consider winamp pro to be a semi-different product from nullsoft that is just like winamp, but has extra features that you don't need.
It isn't Winamp, it's Winamp Pro. Different thing. And paying for Winamp isn't going to get you a free ride into Winamp Pro.
It's different enough to make it a different "version" of Winamp but not different enough to make it a different product. They both do the exact same thing except that PRO lets you burn and rip at a faster rate.
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who is it that decided it was different enough? you? no, didn't think so. They think it's different enough, so they're charging you for it.

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It's still Winamp! gods

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Technically you dont buy winamp 5. You are buying the mp3 encoder and the Sonic burning engine. Winamp is still free. The "Winamp" is free, but the "Pro" is pay.

Putting it another way. You get Winamp free, and you are buy plugins for it. Just like some people buying DFX

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ok... sue AOL for a contract they didn't make... do it.
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Technically you dont buy winamp 5. You are buying the mp3 encoder and the Sonic burning engine. Winamp is still free. The "Winamp" is free, but the "Pro" is pay.

Putting it another way. You get Winamp free, and you are buy plugins for it. Just like some people buying DFX
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I tried to explain it at that angle, it didn't work.
basically its because he's not listening.

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theres loads of keygens for winamp2. theres no possible way for them to verify who has an authentic code. Thus, the 'uber-leet haxorz' have fucked you in the ass. enjoy standing, while ripping CDs at high speed and burning.
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I have a feeling that people who are saying "just deal with it" are not people who registered a previous version of winamp. I understand that but I don't agree.

The thing is when you make a deal you should never back out of that deal. It's a matter of honesty. I doubt that nullsoft had much say in that matter. They are pretty good with freeware but they are now owned by aol and it's aol that are calling the shots.

If it's any consolation to you - aol/time warner lost more money last year then you could ever dream of. They need to squeeze everyone they can for whatever they can.

Picture the fact that time warner's music isn't selling very well and they blame it on mp3s. DO you think they would think twice about taxing people downloding an mp3 player they own in order to play records they think you're stealing from them?

I say either get a keygen or download 15 bucks worth of warner music if you've previously registered and call it even.

I do think, however, that the note in the faq could be a lot less condescending.
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Not a different version

Look in your WinAMP 5 preferences. Note the very first option: WinAMP Pro. You can enter your registration info, right there, and the "pro" features are unlocked, turning your WinAMP 5 into WinAMP Pro. It's not a different version. Same thing. You don't download anything extra, you just unlock the extra features...

I didn't pay for WinAMP and I don't intend on using WinAMP Pro as EAC/Lame works better, anyway. BUT, I can see how this would be iritating, since those who purchased back in '99 received an email saying the code was good for any version of WinAMP, present, past, or future.
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Alright, look at it this way. There were two options. Either make it integrate with WinAMP, the "Pro" part, or make it not integrate with WinAMP, at least, not cleanly.

Which would you rather have, considering they can't give it away, as they have to pay license fees for each "Pro"?

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well bizznatch, Microsoft never said you could use a pervious serial number for future windows products, wile the contract with nullsoft said you would get ALL future versions of Winamp from that.
I dont see the point of even bothering using Winamp "PRO". Foobar2000 can do much more (and better), and if you want to burn CD's, just get Nero or something.
I still do not see the point of arguing against this case, it is clear that you entered a contract agreement that allows you to get all future versions of winamp. And that it is not being honored. That is it. They prommised it, entered a contract, and then are not honoring it.
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Which would you rather have, considering they can't give it away, as they have to pay license fees for each "Pro"?
But we aren't asking for something for nothing. We paid already! We paid back in the day when you didn't have to pay. We got nothing that most of the people who weren't paying got except a promise. A promise that by paying then we would never have to pay in the future.

I see that Nullsoft finally changed the very disrespectful response to the question in their FAQ. But as of yet no one that I know that "oficially" can speak for Nullsoft has given a good reason of why the contract is no longer valid.

So far it has just been a lot of "opinions" from people not related to Nullsoft. "Because AOL bought Nullsoft the deal is off" or "Because they added "PRO" to the name it is not a new version of "Winamp" or "They added new features so it's not the same thing as the Winamp you bought" (odd but doesn't it usually go without saying that when a software comes out with a new version that there are going to be new features that weren't on the old version?) or one of the more creative ones is that it is not Nullsoft that is screwing us over but "'uber-leet haxorz' have fucked you in the ass". Hahaha

But still nothing official from Nullsoft.
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lets see if its fair :
Winamp shareware : $10
Winamp pro : $14.99

so..should people get a free version of winamp pro just because they registered in 1999?

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lets see if its fair :
Winamp shareware : $10
Winamp pro : $14.99

so..should people get a free version of winamp pro just because they registered in 1999?
That is a very valid question so lets look at what a user was actually purchasing back in those days to get the answer. Here is an exact quote from Nullsoft...

"Non-commercial users are now required to register Winamp after 14 days of use. Registration for non-commercial use is only $10, and is valid for ALL future versions of Winamp. You will also get limited technical support."
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so if winamp 5 blows up or locks down in 2 weeks, then you can bitch, but if it doesn't, then everyone got freebies...
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It seems to me a small error is being made by people who think they bought Winamp Pro in 1999.

When you buy your operating system you can have unlimiterd updates, called service packs. But if you want to use a plugin like Office 2000, you'd have to pay extra.
If they packaged the operating system together with the Office product and called it someting like "Windows XP Office version" you would have to pay more than for the home version, although it probably would be less than both products added together.

Winamp 5 full version is the operating system, free and fully capable to be the media player you have been used to for years. With free updates to follow in versions 5.02 - 5.999. The plugins they charge for are CD ripping and burning, and they have been pakaged within a product called Winamp Pro. Not Winamp, wich continues to be a free product, but Winamp Pro. You did not pay a penny for Winamp Pro in 1999, you payed for Winamp.

Now they could have packaged these additional plugins seperatly, but they chose not to. This is not unprecedented, other software will sometimes have additional capabilities you'll be able to unlock with a code key you might obtain after paying (additional) money.

In short, you have what you (and me) paid for, additional features can be, and in this case are, extra.
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