am i still buffering with the changes i made???

DJNickMatthews · 30th December 2003, 12:09

people keep saying wayfierce tv is buffering

AM I TOO WAY FIERCE?

why?????????? i followed all the directions

and i even have a 715 upload that ipay time warner
cable extra for

what can i do???

can someone call me??? XXX-XXX-XXXX nick

[removed: phone #/ copy of message placed in Evidence Locker]

Jay · 30th December 2003, 12:59

giving out your phone number on a public forum is not very responsible, I have taken the liberty of removing it, if you want someone to contact you through the internet ask them to email you through the email button at the bottom of your post, from there you can give out your phone number.

Now on to your problem, have you done a test of your line to varify that you are in fact able to send at a rate of 715kbps?

is your average bitrate less then 715kbps?

slavas · 30th December 2003, 14:09

your stream is >200kbps and listing shows 6 listeners, my math calculates ~ 1.5mbps, seems a bit bigger than your 715

xrayspex · 30th December 2003, 17:41

In my winamp..your stream is going over 250K now. Your upload cant handle that with that many veiwers(i see 7 now). Lower the bitrate of your stream and you might even want to limit the amount of veiwers accordingly so it does not buffer.
About 50 percent of the stations listed have the same problem on there. They dont realise their upload cant handle it and all it does is buffer.They are literally streaming all the time and have no clue that nobody can enjoy their stream. Totally clueless.
The stations that do play good know their bandwith upload capacity and set their amount of veiwer level accordingly with no buffer at all.

DJNickMatthews · 30th December 2003, 20:08

what do i have to do to get 20 viwers or more then????

Jay · 30th December 2003, 20:49

less go down to 2

Video Streaming is quite bandwidth intensive, your cable basic cable connection will probably not suffice to allow more then 2 or 3 connections. Consider using Third party host providers: www.radiotoolbox.com/hosts/ for a list.

Jeeper One · 31st December 2003, 06:57

Hi everyone:

Quote:

Originally posted by slavas
your stream is >200kbps and listing shows 6 listeners, my math calculates ~ 1.5mbps, seems a bit bigger than your 715

Ummm........Yeah. The math adds up to 1.2 Mbps.

Nick, IF your UPLOAD stream is 715 Kbps., you're only going to be able to accomondate 3 people. If you use the settings I use for my station (64 Kbps. stereo MP3 with 32 Kbps. VP6 video @ 160 x 120 screen resolution), you'd be able to accomondate SEVEN TO NINE people rather easily. If you would like, I would be happy to post some screen shots of the settings I use.

That being said about your station Nick, I'm STILL noticing A LOT of other stations whose owners seems to confuse their UPLOAD spped with their DOWNLOAD speed. And when they see the DOWNLOAD speed, they think they can UPLOAD at the same speed.

**NOTHING** COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!!!

Hopefully a few people will see this and take steps to correct their problems.

Cheers for now & Happy Holidays everyone

Patrick Cook
Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/
Program Director
Jeeper One Radio Network
Jeeper One Television Network
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/
http://kpdcnettv.***********/
BLOG PAGE - http://kpdcnettv.***********/blog.html

slavas · 31st December 2003, 09:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeeper One
Hi everyone:Ummm........Yeah. The math adds up to 1.2 Mbps.
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well > means over=more

, so total would be ~1.5mbps

Jeeper One · 1st January 2004, 02:46

Hi everyone:

Either way Slavas, I would be venturous to say (and I'm sure you probably would too

) that an excessively high max. viewer limit vs. what his cable connection can truly handle IS his problem.

It's because of this that's it's just not economically feasible for me to have my TV station remotely hosted like my radio station will soon be, so I'm just gonna have to put up with having only a few users until the prices come down and hosts realize that NSV isn't really that much different than regular SHOUTcast streaming unless you set up a super hi-fi like what Jay has with XRM-TV.

Cheers for now & Happy Holidays

Patrick Cook
Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/
Program Director
Jeeper One Radio Network
Jeeper One Television Network
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/
http://kpdcnettv.***********/
BLOG PAGE - http://kpdcnettv.***********/blog.html

DJNickMatthews · 1st January 2004, 17:10

How can i get somethins set up like xrm tv has? I want alot of viewers. What do i have to do?

sankt · 1st January 2004, 17:19

Find a commercial hosting service that can support NSV streams.

DJNickMatthews · 2nd January 2004, 01:12

looks like it's not easy to do then oh well
i might as well give up

djmastermind · 2nd January 2004, 01:14

It's not easy to do. You will have to know your stuff.. hence the warning before you enter the forum.

But one can learn if one reads through the stickies.

DJNickMatthews · 2nd January 2004, 03:35

what is super hi-fi like jay at xrm tv has?

Jeeper One · 4th January 2004, 04:30

Hi everyone:

Nick - First.....Check your email as I fired one your way.

Second - I think Jay at XRM TV is connected to an Internet backbone provider such as Level 3 Communications. that's about the only way I can think of but only Jay (e.g. KXRM) knows for sure.

Cheers for now everyone

Patrick Cook
Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/
Program Director
Jeeper One Radio Network
Jeeper One Television Network
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/
http://kpdcnettv.***********/
BLOG PAGE - http://kpdcnettv.***********/blog.html

DJNickMatthews · 4th January 2004, 20:12

jay what do i have to do to accomodate at least 100 viewers like xrm tv

e mail me

wayfiercetv@aol.com

Jay · 4th January 2004, 21:14

get a host provider over at www.radiotoolbox.com/hosts/ several of those have been proactive about supporting NSV. or get a box with better bandwidth, on a dedicated server maybe.

ken52787 · 5th January 2004, 00:25

KXRM, this is kinda off topic, but I have a question. NSV doesn't need anything special on the shoutcast end, so I can just buy any 128kbps shoutcast server and use it for nsv, even if they don't specify that, right?

Jay · 5th January 2004, 02:05

well it depends on the host, if they catch you streaming at a higher bitrate then what you purchase they will probably unplug your account, so be sure to hit that 128kbps bitrate.

DJNickMatthews · 5th January 2004, 05:11

Jay,
Who do you use. I want good service like you and i wanna stream out too 100 people.

Nick

DJNickMatthews · 7th January 2004, 04:12

am i still buffering folks????

wayfiercetv@aol.com

Jay · 7th January 2004, 04:28

*merged*

30th December 2003, 12:09	#1
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	why am i buffering (WAYFIERCETV) HELP ME NULLSOFT people keep saying wayfierce tv is buffering AM I TOO WAY FIERCE? why?????????? i followed all the directions and i even have a 715 upload that ipay time warner cable extra for what can i do??? can someone call me??? XXX-XXX-XXXX nick [removed: phone #/ copy of message placed in Evidence Locker]

30th December 2003, 12:59	#2
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	giving out your phone number on a public forum is not very responsible, I have taken the liberty of removing it, if you want someone to contact you through the internet ask them to email you through the email button at the bottom of your post, from there you can give out your phone number. Now on to your problem, have you done a test of your line to varify that you are in fact able to send at a rate of 715kbps? is your average bitrate less then 715kbps? -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

30th December 2003, 14:09	#3
slavas Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: kaimas Å¡alia AnykÅ¡ÄiÅ³ Posts: 680	your stream is >200kbps and listing shows 6 listeners, my math calculates ~ 1.5mbps, seems a bit bigger than your 715 http://slavo.gigas.googlepages.com/

30th December 2003, 17:41	#4
xrayspex Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 38	In my winamp..your stream is going over 250K now. Your upload cant handle that with that many veiwers(i see 7 now). Lower the bitrate of your stream and you might even want to limit the amount of veiwers accordingly so it does not buffer. About 50 percent of the stations listed have the same problem on there. They dont realise their upload cant handle it and all it does is buffer.They are literally streaming all the time and have no clue that nobody can enjoy their stream. Totally clueless. The stations that do play good know their bandwith upload capacity and set their amount of veiwer level accordingly with no buffer at all. Last edited by xrayspex; 30th December 2003 at 19:14.

30th December 2003, 20:49	#6
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	less go down to 2 Video Streaming is quite bandwidth intensive, your cable basic cable connection will probably not suffice to allow more then 2 or 3 connections. Consider using Third party host providers: www.radiotoolbox.com/hosts/ for a list. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

30th December 2003, 20:08	#5
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	what do i have to do to get 20 viwers or more then????

1st January 2004, 02:46	#9
Jeeper One Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,055	Hi everyone: Either way Slavas, I would be venturous to say (and I'm sure you probably would too ) that an excessively high max. viewer limit vs. what his cable connection can truly handle IS his problem. It's because of this that's it's just not economically feasible for me to have my TV station remotely hosted like my radio station will soon be, so I'm just gonna have to put up with having only a few users until the prices come down and hosts realize that NSV isn't really that much different than regular SHOUTcast streaming unless you set up a super hi-fi like what Jay has with XRM-TV. Cheers for now & Happy Holidays Patrick Cook Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/ Program Director Jeeper One Radio Network Jeeper One Television Network Denver, Colorado http://kpdcnetradio.*********/ http://kpdcnettv.*******/ BLOG PAGE - http://kpdcnettv.*********/blog.html Pat Cook Englewood, CO

1st January 2004, 17:10	#10
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	How can i get somethins set up like xrm tv has? I want alot of viewers. What do i have to do?

1st January 2004, 17:19	#11
sankt Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: www.ScenicTelevision.com Posts: 2,976	Find a commercial hosting service that can support NSV streams. Scenic Television is your ambient window to the world - - www.ScenicTelevision.com

2nd January 2004, 01:12	#12
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	looks like it's not easy to do then oh well i might as well give up

2nd January 2004, 01:14	#13
djmastermind Forum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 6,813	It's not easy to do. You will have to know your stuff.. hence the warning before you enter the forum. But one can learn if one reads through the stickies. -- Michael

2nd January 2004, 03:35	#14
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	what is super hi-fi like jay at xrm tv has?

4th January 2004, 04:30	#15
Jeeper One Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,055	Hi everyone: Nick - First.....Check your email as I fired one your way. Second - I think Jay at XRM TV is connected to an Internet backbone provider such as Level 3 Communications. that's about the only way I can think of but only Jay (e.g. KXRM) knows for sure. Cheers for now everyone Patrick Cook Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/ Program Director Jeeper One Radio Network Jeeper One Television Network Denver, Colorado http://kpdcnetradio.*********/ http://kpdcnettv.*******/ BLOG PAGE - http://kpdcnettv.*********/blog.html Pat Cook Englewood, CO

4th January 2004, 20:12	#16
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	jay what do i have to do to accomodate at least 100 viewers like xrm tv e mail me wayfiercetv@aol.com

4th January 2004, 21:14	#17
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	get a host provider over at www.radiotoolbox.com/hosts/ several of those have been proactive about supporting NSV. or get a box with better bandwidth, on a dedicated server maybe. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

5th January 2004, 00:25	#18
ken52787 Major Dude Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,297	KXRM, this is kinda off topic, but I have a question. NSV doesn't need anything special on the shoutcast end, so I can just buy any 128kbps shoutcast server and use it for nsv, even if they don't specify that, right? NSV downloads An in-depth step by step guide for newbies, coming soon.

5th January 2004, 02:05	#19
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	well it depends on the host, if they catch you streaming at a higher bitrate then what you purchase they will probably unplug your account, so be sure to hit that 128kbps bitrate. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

5th January 2004, 05:11	#20
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	Jay, Who do you use. I want good service like you and i wanna stream out too 100 people. Nick

7th January 2004, 04:12	#21
DJNickMatthews Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 18	am i still buffering with the changes i made??? am i still buffering folks???? wayfiercetv@aol.com

7th January 2004, 04:28	#22
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	merged -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

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