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Real "thinking" movies
There are a shitload of movies out in this strange and fascinating world that try to make you think. But, as my experience has shown so far, most just fuck you over and become gigantic cliches that could have been explained in about six pages of tight-written text.
Take the Matrix. What a fucking letdown. Yeah, good movies, but as far as the philosophy went, they should have just left the first one alone. When they tried to continue it, it turned into the Bible, and that's just fucking annoying. And I like the Bible. But think about it: They spent millions of dollars, revolutionized the use of cameras and computer imagery, to rewrite an ancient story that most people already fucking know. Another problem with "thinking" movies is that they try to confuse you to hide the fact that they're just rewriting a book that was written by a dead Roman a couple thousand years ago. Look at Minority Report. What the fuck was that? I was told how it kept me guessing,how it really changes my outlook on the future. What? Obviously, if you were surprised by advanced technology involving crimes and such, you never read any Asimov, or Christ, even Bradbury delved into the subject. But wait, there's more. There are a few "thinking movies" that are quite good (surprisingly in some cases). Many of them are old, but most of them don't involve special effects as a plot line, feature huge actors of the time, or even try to create a whole new world. Somehow instead of trying to dictate how we see life, these films give you a different angle from which to look. These films can put strange spins on old thoughts with dialogue, or just completely skewer your current ideas by shining the light from a different place (something we all need at some point in time). So, I want to create a list of Real "thinking Movies." Ones that don't so much "Change the way you thought about [insert generic object, like cows, here]" But instead just give you a good story that surprises as well as entertains.
There are more out there. Make some suggestions, as I'm eager to expand my strange fascination (and hate) of the people who think movies like Titanic or AI: Artificial Intelligence or even The Matrix Series to be life changing or well-thought out, or even thought provoking. To all those who think I'm wrong about the Matrix: Watch it again. And every time someone says Neo say Christ aloud. And then read the bible. Either way, it's repetitious. So, in conclusion, "little help?" |
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4th February 2004, 08:17
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I totally agree, but i still enjoy no brainers...100%!!!!
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas-That is THE best fucking movie, bloudy funny but twists to shit closer to the end...love it! 12 angry men, ya a thinker bit dry for my liking. American Histroy X, not so much a twister..made me think tho (more about life than how the movie would end), that goes for "what dreams may come-robin williams" as well. 12 monkeys-bruce willis...EWWW! (been a while since i saw it so its a lil grey) i thought was a decent flick. training day was aright, kinda twisted in a somewhat predictable way. Same as Insomnia. not thinker's but i did really enjoy 28 Days. The cell, most hate and i cant blame em..too much crappy acting and lotsa special effects. But hey who needs drugs when you got the cell... lets face it most yank movies are made for morons. They spell EVERYTHING out. Who the fuck stupidifies a movie on purpose...? Love UK movies but just cant get many 
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4th February 2004, 15:42
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 12 Angry Men One of my all-time favourtie films. I just love it. 
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4th February 2004, 17:06
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the real one or the remake. I refuse to see remakes now. You'd think they'd just base more movies on good books, but no, they'd rather rip off movies. It's like me rewriting a Stephen King book.
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4th February 2004, 21:20
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This is not a list of the best, but of the more thought provoking films you might want to watch. I've seen and thoroughly enjoyed them all. Some are very challenging films, but well worth it.
I can highly recommend; Rififi, Les Diaboliques Russian Ark The Seven Samurai........bollocks! watch them all, they are all great films. Solyaris Russian Ark Les Diaboliques The Big Sleep Rabbot Proof Fence Once Were Warriors Rififi The 400 Blows The Seven Samurai Elephant Dogville It's been said that I could start an arguement in an empty room.....I see no reason to disbelieve this. |
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5th February 2004, 07:05
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LOL i have heard of Solaris and Dogville...took a look in the vid store and got some weird looks (i live in a small community so not much gets pulle dthrough here). they sold outside of UK?
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5th February 2004, 19:49
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After reading the play script on "12 Angry Men" in my English class, we're now watching the original, and it's got me interested...
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6th February 2004, 06:39
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Ok just watched "Rabit Proof Fence" (watching Clockwork Orange tomarow). I will say that it is a decent movie, not really a thinker i thought. It is a good thing for someone who doesnt know Ausie's history with the native people, but i found it kind of weak as to what has happened to their culture (Far far worse that what happened here in North America). Even so a good movie.
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6th February 2004, 08:57
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Hmm.. Stigmata and Enemy of the State were good. But I got a tie for the ones that fucked with my mind the most. Fallen and The Devil's Advocate.
A bit off topic but I link books and movies pretty close. Angel's and Demons by Dan Brown did a good job about making me think. Then again just the fact they worked Illuminati : New World Order by Steve Jackson Games into it gave it extra points. 
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7th February 2004, 05:16
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"When you say "Solaris", we ain't talking the remake with Clooney here. We're talking "Solyaris", the original by Tarkovsky. Sooooo much better."
OOO.. will be looking them up and whiping out the credit card tonight 
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7th February 2004, 10:32
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i didnt get the one with Clooney (i've never seen the original) can someone explain it at all? it was weird
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7th February 2004, 20:04
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Like all complex stories, its actually fairly simple, you just have to look through it. Whatever is attacking, its never explained what is attacking, is using the thoughts, dreams, and memories of the crew to communicate with them. However, as most of the strong memories of the crew seem to be of dead loved ones, it eventually drives them mad. In space is the place they can communicate with the dead.
Are the "aliens" attacking, trying to communicate or trying to understand us? This is left to the individual viewer. The original is 3 hours long and much, much better. Interestingly, Tarkovsky always said he hated Solyaris, but it became his best known work. It's been said that I could start an arguement in an empty room.....I see no reason to disbelieve this. |
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8th February 2004, 01:09
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8th February 2004, 10:01
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8th February 2004, 14:41
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I'm more of a 40's and 50's fan myself. Can't beat Bogey!
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8th February 2004, 15:21
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Casablanca's okay..... I usually watch it when it's on. The African Queen is awsome.
Have you seen the 1936 film 'Things to Come'? It predicted WWII very well. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:
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8th February 2004, 22:14
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...and you move on to one of sub-genres of my favourite films; sci-fi & horror.
Things to Come is a great film, but, I do prefer Metropolis in this sub genre. It's been said that I could start an arguement in an empty room.....I see no reason to disbelieve this. |
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9th February 2004, 12:24
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It's a shame WWII happened - the 40's were virtually devoid of sci-fi films.
But the 50's more than made up for it. Don't get me started on classic sci-fi. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:
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9th February 2004, 13:13
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Most of those Fickle mentioned right in the beginning, I have seen all of them except The Manchurian Candidate and 12 angry men (I put them on my list of movies to see though) and they are all high up there on my favorite movies list
, I just cannot stand movies explaining every little detail, it's much more fascinating to find out things for yourself...but there are apparently not many people who think that way since there are so many bad movies where each decision of the protagonist is talked over and over again...I'd like to add American History X and Trainspotting, not because of the complex plot but because they really make you think about your life and others... By the way, out of marvinbarcelona's list I only have seen 2 movies - dogville and elephant (the latter I didn't find much thought-rpovoking but I ranted about that movie in a nother thread already so I leave it at that, dogville was exceptionally good in my opinion) I haven't seen solaris/solarys but I have read the original book by stanislaw Lem (I think it was him) and I heard the movie just messed up the book so I didn't go and see it, maybe I should and compare it to the book... Mia
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9th February 2004, 14:08
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i find "natural born killers" quite a "thinky" film, actually. there's a lot more going on than you realise at first.
as for "fear and loathing" - yes. read the book, too... it's excellent.    
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10th February 2004, 06:22
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Robinson Crusoe on Mars....
A real thinker.
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10th February 2004, 09:58
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ok this thread is literally breaking the bank. First i rent then i gotta buy...
Couple more i think were quite good. What Dreams May Come Instinct* Backdraft Boys Don't Cry-Dont remember ever thinking...but good flick. Medicine Man |
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10th February 2004, 17:58
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*BUZ* Okay, I'm going to have to call in a judge here....What Dreams May Come? Backdraft? Medicine Man? Thinking films?
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11th February 2004, 22:44
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Try "Donnie Darko". Great flick. Will make you think but I don't know about what, and you won't come to any conclusions when you are done. But that's what makes it great.
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23rd February 2004, 15:46
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I can mention some movies I really like:
Pulp Fiction Fight Club One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest A Beautiful Mind Magnolia What Dreams May Come and some others. Do you like European cinema? Personally, I admire Amelie and La Fille Sur Le Pont (The Girl On The Bridge). |
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23rd February 2004, 19:50
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My Concubine.
Temptress Moon. The Last Emperor. Ghandi. JFK. The Day The Earth Stood Still. Big Fish (Other stuff I cannot recall at this moment...) |
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24th February 2004, 20:19
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Fight Club is awesome. In fact one of my college professors regularly sited Fight Club during our lectures.
Another movie, maybe not a "thinker" but more of a "mover" if Life Is Beautiful. Also, though not many people liked it, I liked Masked And Anonymous. |
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27th February 2004, 19:12
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You sicken me.
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4th March 2004, 20:42
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My sig says enough!
Plus: Life is beautiful Kolya Fight club Run Lola Run / Lola rennt - a german one Memento Space Odyssey 2001 How do they call the Big Mac? Big Mac's a Big Mac, but they call it Le Big Mac! LE BIG MAC?! Vincent & Jules in Pulp Fiction |
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17th March 2004, 17:18
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Matrix series makes you think
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17th March 2004, 22:35
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Except for the fact that it's a tired plagiarised concept shoved into piss poor cheesy digital style films with fight scenes that look like they're from one of those parodies of old kung fu movies.
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18th March 2004, 22:32
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25th March 2004, 02:13
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I saw 'Rabbit-Proof Fence' last year in my Humanities Class. I thought it was quite a good movie.
I can't really say that a lot of movies that I've seen made me think a whole lot about them. Usually I just observe and understand and develop a further understanding as the movie goes on. Donnie Darko was a pretty neat film, though it didn't make me "think." I'll have to rent the Manchurian Candidate, it sounds good. I don't like remakes as a general rule, too. just as feathery as ever |
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25th March 2004, 22:28
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not an ACTUAL movie
How to operate your brain was a nice brain fuck and lets not forget about kill bill, although it was the music that made it Monster American History X Requiem for a Dream others shall be named later |
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