Is it possible to play itunes on winamp?

[twilghtfairy]

I recently downloaded itunes and was unable to play them on winamp. I have an older version of winamp, but can itunes be played on winamp 5?

[beanboy89]

No, music downloaded with iTunes is DRM protected music. Winamp can not play DRM protected music.

[inthegray]

are you asking about playing songs on Winamp that were originally bought on iTunes' Music Store?

if so, i had something in my faq: "Will Winamp play my AAC files?"

[DJ Egg]

So I guess that makes the answer "yes".
Although the question was too vague to provide a definite accurate answer.

What do you mean by "play itunes".
iTunes is just a media player (and a piss poor one at that)
Did you mean aac, mp4, m4a, m4p file formats?

[swhite]

Originally posted by twilghtfairy
I recently downloaded itunes and was unable to play them on winamp. I have an older version of winamp, but can itunes be played on winamp 5?

iTunes isn't a "them."

If you mean iTunes "Music Store" files, there's an M4P plugin that will play iTunes DRM files "though" Quicktime, from within Winamp. You can't burn any files to CD and you can't use any DSP/vis functions, but at least you can play the darn things!

Frankly, iTunes AAC files don't interest me one bit. If I bought any music online it'd only be either in Ogg Vorbis or Ogg FlAC.

Shayne

[Spazz333]

That is why I don't use Itunes anymore. If I buy the damned MP3 I better be able to play it where and however I fucking want. I bought a CD and had to cheat to convert it to play in winamp. Not sure if we're sposed to explain how to do that though.

[Veej007]

wait, so the winamp plugin for m4p playback requires that quicktime be installed?

fuck that.

does quicktime alternative do the trick?

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Veej007
wait, so the winamp plugin for m4p playback requires that quicktime be installed?

fuck that.

does quicktime alternative do the trick?

Even if it would "do the trick", you still need iTunes installed to be authorized to even be able to play the m4p files.

[electricmime]

Originally posted by Veej007
wait, so the winamp plugin for m4p playback requires that quicktime be installed?

fuck that.

does quicktime alternative do the trick?

what i dont get is why do people hate having itunes installed? its not like you have to use it, and if you hate itunes so much, why would you ever give them money for restricted music files?

[amano]

Maybe it bloats your disc space for not really using it. F*** apple and then send them back to where they were coming from - their macs...

[electricmime]

what i meant was: if you hated itunes so much, why would you buy their music which required itunes to play it? and if you bought their music to just test it out, why would you buy more than one song(or enough where it wouldnt be worthwhile to rebuy on cd)

i wasnt asking why people hate itunes... i was asking why do people complain that the plugin to play music bought off of itunes requires itunes to be installed

[VTUrge311]

Just for the record, you only need Quicktime installed, not iTunes to be able to play the songs in Winamp.

[amano]

Wll QT alternative do this job?

[Reaper]

Originally posted by amano
Wll QT alternative do this job?

Originally posted by Reaper
Even if it would "do the trick", you still need iTunes installed to be authorized to even be able to play the m4p files.

Blind, possibly?

[amano]

Originally posted by VTUrge311
Just for the record, you only need Quicktime installed, not iTunes to be able to play the songs in Winamp.

Likewise?

[VTUrge311]

@amano and Reaper: if you download this plugin you can play your iTunes songs in Winamp with only Quicktime installed.

I do not know what the Quicktime alternative is, so I don't know if it works with that or not, sorry.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by VTUrge311
@amano and Reaper: if you download this plugin you can play your iTunes songs in Winamp with only Quicktime installed.

Go back and read the description on the plug-in's page. It even says it there; You still have to be authorized through the music store to be able to play the m4p files though. Therefore iTunes would have to be installed.

Yes, I have purchased a song from the iTMS. Pretty shitty if you ask me.

[VTUrge311]

@Reaper: I'm TELLING you, you don't need iTunes on your computer after you have purchased (or downloaded, if you got a free song) songs from the iTunes store. If you have that plugin installed, you can uninstall iTunes and still listen to your songs in Winamp, as long as Quicktime is still on your computer.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by VTUrge311
@Reaper: I'm TELLING you, you don't need iTunes on your computer after you have purchased (or downloaded, if you got a free song) songs from the iTunes store. If you have that plugin installed, you can uninstall iTunes and still listen to your songs in Winamp, as long as Quicktime is still on your computer.

Well then.. I'd like you to explain this to me:

http://timmy.p44.org/winamp/forums/unauthorized.png

Using the Winamp plugin; only Quicktime installed and no iTunes.

[Alltaken]

its because the themes are ugly . you see apple won't let you use any products if the windows are clashing in colour or style. that image breaks all the rules :P

Alltaken

[VTUrge311]

I've installed and uninstalled iTunes twice now (for here and on another message board), and I'm still listening to songs I downloaded on my computer without iTunes installed, and I know it works for other people, too...

Under input plugins, do you have in_tunes.dll?

Also, this might fix it for you, change the associated program from iTunes/Quicktime to Winamp.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by VTUrge311
I've installed and uninstalled iTunes twice now (for here and on another message board), and I'm still listening to songs I downloaded on my computer without iTunes installed, and I know it works for other people, too...

It's possible that the files have not been deauthorized yet. Try uninstalling/reinstalling Quicktime.

Under input plugins, do you have in_tunes.dll?

Duh.

Also, this might fix it for you, change the associated program from iTunes/Quicktime to Winamp.

Already associated with Winamp. I'll be damned if I'm letting Quicktime keep any file associations.

[VTUrge311]

Just uninstalled (add/remove and manually, I hate QuickTime) and reinstalled and they are playing again. I don't know how to make them deauthorize the songs... And yes, when I got rid of QuickTime, the songs would not play.

I don't know why it would work for some people and not for others, either... we'll figure this out!

[electricmime]

but without itunes... how will you buy itunes store songs?!

and without itunes store songs.. how will you use this plugin?

[ThomasW]

Originally posted by Veej007
wait, so the winamp plugin for m4p playback requires that quicktime be installed?

fuck that.

does quicktime alternative do the trick?

There's nothing wrong with Quicktime itself. Quicktime is by far the best media layer currently available. The f...ing Quicktime Player Apple bundles with Quicktime is absolute crap - and that's what ruined Quicktime's reputation: most people don't know that Quicktime and "the Quicktime Player" are not the same thing.

Since iTunes and the iTunes plugin for Winamp do not need the stupid Player, but only Quicktime itself, you can delete the Quicktime Player and install Quicktime Alternative to play back Quicktime videos, of course.

[electricmime]

i have a question about the itunes plugin though... why do itms songs sound considerably worse in winamp than in itunes? its only songs bought from the music store, and at first i thought they were just really bad quality.. but i played them in tunes, and they are considerably better...

does anyone know why that is/has had this problem?

[Gonzotek]

Check your eq settings in iTunes. It's possible that you have the eq set to something like rock, and when playing it in Winamp, that eq isn't available. The plugin is using the same playback libraries either way(itunes or Winamp). In other words, all winamp does is is ask quicktime to start playback of your authorized files and quicktime does all the decoding and output work.

iTunes also has a Soundcheck feature that may also only be enabled when playing from within iTunes.

-=Gonzotek=-

[electricmime]

i changed it to all the other presets(even turned it off) but it still sounds the same, and the soundcheck was turned off, and it still sounds really soft and low quality

also what do you mean winamp doesnt have rock? i see rock in the winamp presets... or am i missing what you said?

[DJ Egg]

All in_tunes.dll (iTMS M4P plugin) does is provide support for M4P playback in Winamp.

As ThomasW explains in the comments for his plugin:

Due to limitations in the Windows version of Quicktime, the Winamp visualizations, output plugins and equalizer do not work with this plugin and there's nothing I could do about that unless Apple decides to release a version of Quicktime for Windows that's on par with the Mac version

Alas, that is the price you pay for purchasing proprietry protected formats :/

[electricmime]

i know... but wouldnt it sound the same in both players? i am totally confused here..

[DJ Egg]

Dunno. I've never used iTunes and never will.
I guess iTunes probably supports EQ/DSP enhancement with M4P files...

If you play an M4P in Winamp, it just uses system waveOut
(ie. Winamp's Output system is totally bypassed).
So the only things which will effect the sound quality are the settings in your sound card cp / windows mixer.

All this aside, I can't understand why people are suckered into paying for limited, poor quality, protected proprietry formats in the first place, especially when there are so many decent alternatives (including legal/paid for solutions), or just buying the CD :/

[Gonzotek]

I don't know why your sound is not the same. The only other thing I can think of is check your windows mixer settings, before and after changing the iTunes volume setting and before and after changing the winamp volume setting (while playing m4ps in Winamp). Maybe ThomasW will show up with more suggesrtions. Personally, I don't have any audible difference between iTunes and Winamp with my system.

Egg: There is a (not going to be named) tool to remove the drm from iTunes files and turn them into normal mp4s. But even before I had that particular tool, I saw value in iTunes. It lets me preview music before downloading it so I can get a feel for music I'm not sure if I'll want, I can mix and match tracks, and I know that I won't be sued for using it. The cost to quality ratio is acceptable to me, based on the fact that I don't have any issue with the sound quality on any of my (admittedly cheap) equipment. Even prior to getting iTunes, I rarely (if ever in several years) bought cds, as I usually ended up not listening to them or not having them when I wanted, OR wrecking them through mistreatment. I'm not trying to be a shill for Apple, I just find the product that they offer me to be of greater total value than a cd or other distribution channel.

[DJ Egg]

To each his own, I guess.
Places like emusic, allofmp3, bleep, etc etc let you sample the music first.
I know there's questions about the legality of allofmp3, but that's probably just in the US (I'm in UK), and it doesn't concern me in the slightest. The way I see it is I've paid for the music and it's in high quality --alt-preset MP3 or OGG format.

Sure, some of the mp3 download sites in that list of mine would probably be classed as illegal in most countries, but hey, there ARE legal alternatives too, that's the main thing :/

And for sure, there's also Johansen's M4P crack...
but if you're gonna use that, you may as well just use places like allofmp3 instead.

P2P file sharing apps, on the other hand, are a totally different matter.

[electricmime]

there are also 'exclusive' tracks that piss me off, because im a completist, and if a band i like releases an exclusive, im probably going to get it...

also i dont hate apple, i think the restrictions are stupid, but i more of blame the riaa for that...that aside,

i checked my volume control... when i play an mp3 file, it plays normal volume, and then when i go to an itms file, it goes all the way down on wave volume(not physically, but it sounds really soft...), and it sounds normal when i adjust the bar at all... which is weird... and i dont why that is

also after i adjusted it on an itms file, and it goes to another itms file... it works fine, but when i go from mp3 to itms it screws up...

if that clears up the cause a little more(i still dont know what the problem is)

[Gonzotek]

Originally posted by electricmime

i checked my volume control... when i play an mp3 file, it plays normal volume, and then when i go to an itms file, it goes all the way down on wave volume(not physically, but it sounds really soft...), and it sounds normal when i adjust the bar at all... which is weird... and i dont why that is

also after i adjusted it on an itms file, and it goes to another itms file... it works fine, but when i go from mp3 to itms it screws up...

if that clears up the cause a little more(i still dont know what the problem is)

That does clear it up a bit, and guess what? I can reproduce it! Without knowing the specifics of how everything works, I at least have a few educated guesses about what might be the problem. Hopefully this is something that can be fixed/worked around by ThomasW...I'll try to get in touch with him tomorrow if he hasn't seen it himself by then.

-=Gonzotek=-

[Kickboy12]

Bluntly: ITunes sucks. Macs suck. And Apple can suck my balls.

If you want to play m4p files downloaded with ITunes, get a Mac or live with the bullshit of ITunes.

Or you can do what I did. Open ITunes, burn the m4p to a re-writable disc, open Winamp, and rip the CD to MP3. Clear the CD, and use again for more ITunes ripping fun.

[electricmime]

Originally posted by Kickboy12
Bluntly: ITunes sucks. Macs suck. And Apple can suck my balls.

If you want to play m4p files downloaded with ITunes, get a Mac or live with the bullshit of ITunes.

Or you can do what I did. Open ITunes, burn the m4p to a re-writable disc, open Winamp, and rip the CD to MP3. Clear the CD, and use again for more ITunes ripping fun.

but then dont you lose even more quality?

besides.. i dont think itunes completely sucks (nor apple), i just highly prefer winamp

[Kickboy12]

Originally posted by electricmime
but then dont you lose even more quality?

besides.. i dont think itunes completely sucks (nor apple), i just highly prefer winamp

First: Yes, you do loose quality. That's the sacrifice you make when using ITunes.

Second: The statement "Apple Sucks" is a matter of opinion. And in my opinion it sucks major balls. You can disagree with me all you want.

[Gonzotek]

Kickboy12: You're welcome to express your opinions, but we're working on a technical issue here, and therefore this particular thread isn't the most appropriate venue in which to express it. So, please, refrain from commenting on how much apple/itunes/winamp does or does not suck within this specific thread. Start a new one in General Discussions, if you like, to talk about that.

You may also want to know that you can convert an m4p directy to an mp3 from within iTunes, saving you the very unnessecary (and time-wasting) step of burning to a cd and re-ripping.

But the question we're working on is no longer "how can I hear music I downloaded from iTunes in Winamp", but "why is the plugin which supports this not correctly setting the volume".

[electricmime]

Originally posted by Gonzotek

You may also want to know that you can convert an m4p directy to an mp3 from within iTunes, saving you the very unnessecary (and time-wasting) step of burning to a cd and re-ripping.

i tried this, but it says that protected music cant be converted to other formats.. but that doesnt matter, i would rather get the plugin work than convert my files...